SM in the Marvelverse
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The point of One More Day was that Peter couldn't let go. It was just plain OLD AGE that was killing May, not the bullet itself, and EVERYFUCKINGBODY told him as much and that it was time to let go, but Peter was asinine and refused to accept that once you're as old as May, death is beyond the corner.
If anything, what should be retconned is Peter being idiotic enough to MAKE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL, and instead make him grow the fuck up by letting go of May instead of clinging to her. Giving him what he wants in this case is like caving in to a spoiled kid's hissy fit.
If anything, why didn't Peter ask Dr. Doom? Because he's evil, he says! But then he goes and makes a pact with THE DEVIL. Uhh, Peter? How about staying consistent? Why would you trust the Prince of Lies over a guy who, for all that he's evil, can relate to filial piety (do you know how much bullshit Doom went through for his mother's sake?!) and more importantly, always keeps his word once he gives it because he thinks lying is beneath him?
If anything, what should be retconned is Peter being idiotic enough to MAKE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL, and instead make him grow the fuck up by letting go of May instead of clinging to her. Giving him what he wants in this case is like caving in to a spoiled kid's hissy fit.
If anything, why didn't Peter ask Dr. Doom? Because he's evil, he says! But then he goes and makes a pact with THE DEVIL. Uhh, Peter? How about staying consistent? Why would you trust the Prince of Lies over a guy who, for all that he's evil, can relate to filial piety (do you know how much bullshit Doom went through for his mother's sake?!) and more importantly, always keeps his word once he gives it because he thinks lying is beneath him?
So, how exactly is Usagi going to react to Thor and the Asgardians?
The recent movie version of Thor would almost be better, as you could say that Asgard and the Old Kingdom once had an Alliance, which the Asgardians honored even after the Kingdoms fall by protection earth from the Frost Giants.
Actually, if we used the old Kingdom as a major point of stability in the old universe, we could point to it's fall as being the point when things started to turn bad.
The recent movie version of Thor would almost be better, as you could say that Asgard and the Old Kingdom once had an Alliance, which the Asgardians honored even after the Kingdoms fall by protection earth from the Frost Giants.
Actually, if we used the old Kingdom as a major point of stability in the old universe, we could point to it's fall as being the point when things started to turn bad.
And perhaps the return of the Kingdom through Crystal Tokyo/Crystal Moon is the return to the blessed times? Honestly, I can see Thor helping to power up Jupiter, maybe like the Asgardians, the Senshi were once so powerful as to be godly and they simply need to find the proper outlet to return this power. Usagi does this in Canon, I can imagine Saturn only needs to learn how to control her power to the point where she can survive her final attack, perhaps Mars revolves around a spiritual quest to find her true inner fire, etc.
Ok, but the following is right off the top of my head.
Uranus' quest has her following the Hulk around, noticing that even in his rampage, he does have his own limits, realising her own occasional rashness, perhaps even observing the attitudes of some of the more independent heroes and seeing weither it ends up for good or for ill, coming out a stronger person and physically stronger senshi, given that she is the senshi of Earth.
Venus.... love, thats an all to common subject in Marvel, perhaps her quest is to help heal broken bonds between people, perhaps help heroes, or even anti heroes, with lost loves, like Peter just after the Gwen Stacey incident... and the clone saga technicly. Maybe help Scott get through having to loose Jean Grey, and perhaps look at her own path of love, occasionally coming into conflicts of her own, after all, Goblins and Emma Frost respectively might not take kindly to her.
Mercury, hers could be through stopping those who want to make things worse for others, villians who seek to make mutants look bad, spread a deadly virus, etc, while at the same time dealing with the fact that while science is logical, sometimes scientists aren't having to deal with some of the heroes at more unhinged moments, ones like Reed Richards and the like, perhaps also tangling with her own conflicts between personal ambitions and those as a senshi.
Neptune could be about dealing with the conflicts between the people she was born of, the land, and the people of her element, the sea, not in the enviromental manner, but in Namor and Atlantians conflicting with humans, along with her own little bit of observation of where being entirely independant can end up, Namor is good enough example himself.
However, with Pluto, you have some real potential, someon who's quest is to constantly do battle with forces like Loki and Mephisto, possibly others, using powers to alter and threaten the time stream, perhaps taking a bit of time to speak with Odin, of the moon kingdom of the past, the future, and what role she should play amongst them.
These are only very rough though.
Uranus' quest has her following the Hulk around, noticing that even in his rampage, he does have his own limits, realising her own occasional rashness, perhaps even observing the attitudes of some of the more independent heroes and seeing weither it ends up for good or for ill, coming out a stronger person and physically stronger senshi, given that she is the senshi of Earth.
Venus.... love, thats an all to common subject in Marvel, perhaps her quest is to help heal broken bonds between people, perhaps help heroes, or even anti heroes, with lost loves, like Peter just after the Gwen Stacey incident... and the clone saga technicly. Maybe help Scott get through having to loose Jean Grey, and perhaps look at her own path of love, occasionally coming into conflicts of her own, after all, Goblins and Emma Frost respectively might not take kindly to her.
Mercury, hers could be through stopping those who want to make things worse for others, villians who seek to make mutants look bad, spread a deadly virus, etc, while at the same time dealing with the fact that while science is logical, sometimes scientists aren't having to deal with some of the heroes at more unhinged moments, ones like Reed Richards and the like, perhaps also tangling with her own conflicts between personal ambitions and those as a senshi.
Neptune could be about dealing with the conflicts between the people she was born of, the land, and the people of her element, the sea, not in the enviromental manner, but in Namor and Atlantians conflicting with humans, along with her own little bit of observation of where being entirely independant can end up, Namor is good enough example himself.
However, with Pluto, you have some real potential, someon who's quest is to constantly do battle with forces like Loki and Mephisto, possibly others, using powers to alter and threaten the time stream, perhaps taking a bit of time to speak with Odin, of the moon kingdom of the past, the future, and what role she should play amongst them.
These are only very rough though.
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Queen Serenity = Selene, Sailor Pluto's father =Chronos and had some responsibilities of the Underworld. The rest of the senshi seem to have had normal people from the moon kingdom as parents. Queen Serenity made their castles/sailor power guardians and Pluto was stated to be different from anyone because of the fact she had Chronos' blood in her veins.
She's the Soldier of Wind/Air/Sky. She's The Distant Sky King after all. She's also the physically strongest and most skilled in martial arts of the group.
She's the Soldier of Wind/Air/Sky. She's The Distant Sky King after all. She's also the physically strongest and most skilled in martial arts of the group.
Would that make Herakles Setsuna's nephew?
Chronos > Zeus > Herakles... Among others.
Setsuna's brother is such a playboy after all.
Actually, if we pull a Nasu, couldn't we- No wait, MARVEL has probably had Male!Hades appear a few times since Herakles is one of their superhero's.
Ah, well, who cares, this IS a fusion after all.
Setsuna is also historically known as Hades? Sibling of Zeus and Poseidon?
Keep in mind, Hades wasn't the Greek Lucifer, he was the Lord of the Dead, yes, the LANDLORD of the Dead, Lord of all thing's beneath the ground, which includes Hades, the realm he named after himself, which was ruled by the Goddess of Death, Hecate.
Also gemstones and gold and precious metals and all that.
Chronos > Zeus > Herakles... Among others.
Setsuna's brother is such a playboy after all.
Actually, if we pull a Nasu, couldn't we- No wait, MARVEL has probably had Male!Hades appear a few times since Herakles is one of their superhero's.
Ah, well, who cares, this IS a fusion after all.
Setsuna is also historically known as Hades? Sibling of Zeus and Poseidon?
Keep in mind, Hades wasn't the Greek Lucifer, he was the Lord of the Dead, yes, the LANDLORD of the Dead, Lord of all thing's beneath the ground, which includes Hades, the realm he named after himself, which was ruled by the Goddess of Death, Hecate.
Also gemstones and gold and precious metals and all that.
Hotaru's father is hired by Dr. Doom. He dies in a lab accident leaving her as a ward of Latvia.
Mina during her adventures in England is adopted by the X_Babies.
Usugi has a normal childhood.
Ami's mother works for Hydra as a low level employee. Pretty much a messenger job she used to pay her way through med school but afterwords couldn't get out of. Due to this Ami's intelligence has been noted by Hydra which intends to recruit her.
Mina during her adventures in England is adopted by the X_Babies.
Usugi has a normal childhood.
Ami's mother works for Hydra as a low level employee. Pretty much a messenger job she used to pay her way through med school but afterwords couldn't get out of. Due to this Ami's intelligence has been noted by Hydra which intends to recruit her.
Not to mention its a clear example of Peter NOT taking reasponsability for his actions, its part of his core character! "With great power, comes great reasponsability"!
Although someone needs to tell me why no-one in the Marvel universe can cure a bullet wound, especiialy Stark, yes they might not be on the same side, but its still an innocent life and its partly Tony's fault.
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Also I liked the Iron Spider Suit. I thought it looked nice.
Of course, with Usagi and the others around, thats a non-issue isn't it?
Although someone needs to tell me why no-one in the Marvel universe can cure a bullet wound, especiialy Stark, yes they might not be on the same side, but its still an innocent life and its partly Tony's fault.
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Also I liked the Iron Spider Suit. I thought it looked nice.
Of course, with Usagi and the others around, thats a non-issue isn't it?
Oh, they could cure the bullet wound, no problem, but the problem all along was that regardless of whether they'd cure her or not, her body was just too frail from her being OLD and was going to give in. Only real way to save her was make it so her body never took the shock to begin with, which prompted the horrifying breakdown. But any major shock would've had the same result.
Huh saw this on Space Battles, didn't realize it was here to. Well Space Battle doesn't divide posts by section like TFF and it has been a while since I looked in the Sailor Moon Section.
Here are the posts I put on Space Battles.
Post 1
Umm everyone seems to be forgetting something about the Marvel Setting.
Basically in concept Amatsu-Mikaboshi = Chaos. He is the primordial darkness that dominated the Marvel Multiverse and every Multiverse predating it until life came along. And he wants things to go back to the way they were.
His mere existence is a direct threat to everything everywhere. Eternity, Death, Galactus, The Celestials and every other Cosmic Being is threatened by Amatsu-Mikaboshi at full power (supposedly, we never really get to see this extent, though we do see him enslaving gods). This means Sailor Moon who can become Sailor Cosmos and defeated him when he possessed Galaxia has the potential to equal him. That right there is game breaking power, no ifs, ands, or buts. Really Sailor Moon could be said to be Reality's defense mechanism against Amatsu-Mikaboshi.
So Sailor Moon is in fact more broken than anything in the Marvel Multiverse could ever hope to be, as she is canonically stated as being the only being who can stop Chaos. And Chaos or in this case Amatsu-Mikaboshi is the antithesis of every other cosmic power in existence. They are concepts of reality. Chaos is the primordial void from which reality was born and seeks to return all things to.
Hmmm maybe Sailor Moon or in this case Cosmos could be said to be the Cosmic Being representing the Concept of Existence itself, and Chaos would be the Concept of Nonexistence.
Post 2 In response to the idea that Sailor Moon was a Xanatos Gambit to distract Chaos/Amatsu- Mikaboshi
Actually it may be that since Amatsu Mikaboshi represents the Void of Nonexistence, in context Sailor Moon(Cosmos) as Existence would have come into being when the very first universe was born. Not the Marvel Multiverse, not the one before that, but the very first Universe ever to exist. This puts Cosmos on a whole other level than Cosmic Beings and does justice to the concept of Existence vs Nonexistence. Every other Cosmic Being exists because of Existence itself. Therefore Cosmos would outrank everything else as they simply are a part of the current Multiverse, whereas Existence is the reason every Multiverse is even around.
Think about that, now think about the fact that such a being is in the form of a young girl espousing love and justice. In the Chaos War it is stated by Athena that the Marvel Multiverse is corrupt on a metaphysical level. It could be that flaw is responsible for the general dickishness we see mundanes have towards people with super powers. Considering the nature of Chaos in Sailor Moon it may be the very source of this flaw, as it is stated explicitly to cause suffering and send out Avatars(Metallia, Death Phantom, Pharaoh 90, Queen Nehellenia and possibly others) to spread these very concepts to all of creation and fight those who believe in "Love, Peace and Justice".
If characters on Marvel Earth find out about this inherent flaw, and then are confronted with the fact that Sailor Moon is right and the worldview of a large majority of the population is based on this corruption, well the words "major freakout" comes to mind.
When you think about it at the end of the Manga Sailor Moon was dealing with things you commonly see in Marvel and DC, but ramped up to 11. There were no other heroes or heroines who could fight Chaos at the end of the Manag, only an extremely powerful young woman facing the very concept of Nonexistence. A concept which is worse than something like Cthulu or even Yog Sototh and Azatoth who who no matter how alien they are, they are still apart of Existence. And Sailor Moon faced such a being alone. Sure it was possessing a physical being (Galaxia) but that does not change the fact that Chaos(and by extension any being representing the concept of Nonexistence) is still so far beyond anything else that words cannot even begin to describe it. Throwing Sailor Moon and Chaos into any other setting means that they automatically are stronger than anything else in that setting short of the Omnipotent being who created reality itself, dividing Existence and Nonexistence from each other and creating their sentient concepts (Cosmos and Chaos).
Now I can't get the thought of Galactus coming to Earth, getting one look at Sailor Moon saying "fuck this I'm not pissing her off" and leaving. And then the reactions of every other power in the Marvelverse both terrestial, extraterrestrial, and multidimensional. It would actually be quite funny if it wasn't so likely to fill these characters with indescribable horror over the thought that there is something even Galactus would not want to anger.
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Damn it I forgot Galaxia is only possessed in the anime, oops my bad. :headbanger: :sweat:
Here are the posts I put on Space Battles.
Post 1
Umm everyone seems to be forgetting something about the Marvel Setting.
Basically in concept Amatsu-Mikaboshi = Chaos. He is the primordial darkness that dominated the Marvel Multiverse and every Multiverse predating it until life came along. And he wants things to go back to the way they were.
His mere existence is a direct threat to everything everywhere. Eternity, Death, Galactus, The Celestials and every other Cosmic Being is threatened by Amatsu-Mikaboshi at full power (supposedly, we never really get to see this extent, though we do see him enslaving gods). This means Sailor Moon who can become Sailor Cosmos and defeated him when he possessed Galaxia has the potential to equal him. That right there is game breaking power, no ifs, ands, or buts. Really Sailor Moon could be said to be Reality's defense mechanism against Amatsu-Mikaboshi.
So Sailor Moon is in fact more broken than anything in the Marvel Multiverse could ever hope to be, as she is canonically stated as being the only being who can stop Chaos. And Chaos or in this case Amatsu-Mikaboshi is the antithesis of every other cosmic power in existence. They are concepts of reality. Chaos is the primordial void from which reality was born and seeks to return all things to.
Hmmm maybe Sailor Moon or in this case Cosmos could be said to be the Cosmic Being representing the Concept of Existence itself, and Chaos would be the Concept of Nonexistence.
Post 2 In response to the idea that Sailor Moon was a Xanatos Gambit to distract Chaos/Amatsu- Mikaboshi
Actually it may be that since Amatsu Mikaboshi represents the Void of Nonexistence, in context Sailor Moon(Cosmos) as Existence would have come into being when the very first universe was born. Not the Marvel Multiverse, not the one before that, but the very first Universe ever to exist. This puts Cosmos on a whole other level than Cosmic Beings and does justice to the concept of Existence vs Nonexistence. Every other Cosmic Being exists because of Existence itself. Therefore Cosmos would outrank everything else as they simply are a part of the current Multiverse, whereas Existence is the reason every Multiverse is even around.
Think about that, now think about the fact that such a being is in the form of a young girl espousing love and justice. In the Chaos War it is stated by Athena that the Marvel Multiverse is corrupt on a metaphysical level. It could be that flaw is responsible for the general dickishness we see mundanes have towards people with super powers. Considering the nature of Chaos in Sailor Moon it may be the very source of this flaw, as it is stated explicitly to cause suffering and send out Avatars(Metallia, Death Phantom, Pharaoh 90, Queen Nehellenia and possibly others) to spread these very concepts to all of creation and fight those who believe in "Love, Peace and Justice".
If characters on Marvel Earth find out about this inherent flaw, and then are confronted with the fact that Sailor Moon is right and the worldview of a large majority of the population is based on this corruption, well the words "major freakout" comes to mind.
When you think about it at the end of the Manga Sailor Moon was dealing with things you commonly see in Marvel and DC, but ramped up to 11. There were no other heroes or heroines who could fight Chaos at the end of the Manag, only an extremely powerful young woman facing the very concept of Nonexistence. A concept which is worse than something like Cthulu or even Yog Sototh and Azatoth who who no matter how alien they are, they are still apart of Existence. And Sailor Moon faced such a being alone. Sure it was possessing a physical being (Galaxia) but that does not change the fact that Chaos(and by extension any being representing the concept of Nonexistence) is still so far beyond anything else that words cannot even begin to describe it. Throwing Sailor Moon and Chaos into any other setting means that they automatically are stronger than anything else in that setting short of the Omnipotent being who created reality itself, dividing Existence and Nonexistence from each other and creating their sentient concepts (Cosmos and Chaos).
Now I can't get the thought of Galactus coming to Earth, getting one look at Sailor Moon saying "fuck this I'm not pissing her off" and leaving. And then the reactions of every other power in the Marvelverse both terrestial, extraterrestrial, and multidimensional. It would actually be quite funny if it wasn't so likely to fill these characters with indescribable horror over the thought that there is something even Galactus would not want to anger.
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Damn it I forgot Galaxia is only possessed in the anime, oops my bad. :headbanger: :sweat: