Akamatsuverse Speed of Instant Movement
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Let's look at it mathematically.
The human eye works at roughly 24 frames a second. That's 86400 frames an hour.
Shundo moves you about 6 meters at a time.
That means you'd have to move those 6 meters in less than 1/24th of a second.
6 x 24 x 60 x 60 = 518400 meters an hour.
That's a bit under 323mile per hour, bare minimum speed.
Not as fast as you'd think, however the fact they're instantly going from 0 to top speed is probably part of it.
Of course, the fact that the users are still invisible from several meters away probably means Negi and others who use this technique are really moving even 'faster!'
The human eye works at roughly 24 frames a second. That's 86400 frames an hour.
Shundo moves you about 6 meters at a time.
That means you'd have to move those 6 meters in less than 1/24th of a second.
6 x 24 x 60 x 60 = 518400 meters an hour.
That's a bit under 323mile per hour, bare minimum speed.
Not as fast as you'd think, however the fact they're instantly going from 0 to top speed is probably part of it.
Of course, the fact that the users are still invisible from several meters away probably means Negi and others who use this technique are really moving even 'faster!'
Depends on what the authors thinks is cool enough at the moment.
Seriously don't try to calc this stuff, or at least don't try to get hard numbers.
The only 'solid' measures the manga gives us are Negi being 150km/s in Lightning form and Kaede crossing about 300 meters pretty much instantly...
Stupid Lightning Negi.
Seriously don't try to calc this stuff, or at least don't try to get hard numbers.
The only 'solid' measures the manga gives us are Negi being 150km/s in Lightning form and Kaede crossing about 300 meters pretty much instantly...
Stupid Lightning Negi.
You know what the ironic thing is? That if Jack Rakan really had experience fighting an actual lightning elemental, then Negi should have been immobile or barely moving to him. Because lightning can average one-third lightspeed... that is, around 100,000km/s. Negi's 150km/s is so PUNY compared to actual lightning that anyone capable of reacting to genuine lightning should be able to punch him in the nuts before he's even taken more than one step. Methinks Akamatsu really didn't do his homework there.
Pretty much anything sound speed (344m/s, around 1240km/hour I think) or higher is too fast for the human eye to follow, anyway. Yes, sound speed is enough to make you impossible to track. Which is why you can't really bullet-time... bullets typically move faster than sound, and thus your eyes can't really follow them. What people call bullet timing is really aim-dodging, where you look at where the gun is being pointed and move out of the way soon as you see them pull the trigger. You don't react to the bullet at all.
Pretty much anything sound speed (344m/s, around 1240km/hour I think) or higher is too fast for the human eye to follow, anyway. Yes, sound speed is enough to make you impossible to track. Which is why you can't really bullet-time... bullets typically move faster than sound, and thus your eyes can't really follow them. What people call bullet timing is really aim-dodging, where you look at where the gun is being pointed and move out of the way soon as you see them pull the trigger. You don't react to the bullet at all.
Isn't the scene in question you're likely referring to, the instance in the festival arc where Negi was being chased by some of the other mages so quickly that no one noticed the chase happening right next to them, before he actually learned the instant movement tech? I admit, my memory of the sequence of events may be a bit borked, but I was fairly sure that happened before he entered the tournament, which is when he had to learn it to fight Takamichi.
Meaning the speed there was his basic movement speed (obviously when enhanced with Magic, since that boosts all his abilities), not so much how fast their instant movements would be, since that needs to be quicker.
Meaning the speed there was his basic movement speed (obviously when enhanced with Magic, since that boosts all his abilities), not so much how fast their instant movements would be, since that needs to be quicker.
My take on it is that there is not a set speed for instant movement.
Basically the faster you are the faster it will be.
Takahata has no problem seeing Negi's instant movement and tripping him, so it would make no sense for his instant movement to be at the same speed.
If we are using a normal person at a distance of a few feet, you won't even need sound speed are close to it really. Purely because your eye won't be able to follow the movement as opposed to not seeing it.
Edit: Also, lightning speed is one of those things. There are entirely too many factors in it to get anything resembling an average.
Basically the faster you are the faster it will be.
Takahata has no problem seeing Negi's instant movement and tripping him, so it would make no sense for his instant movement to be at the same speed.
If we are using a normal person at a distance of a few feet, you won't even need sound speed are close to it really. Purely because your eye won't be able to follow the movement as opposed to not seeing it.
Edit: Also, lightning speed is one of those things. There are entirely too many factors in it to get anything resembling an average.
In theory? It could happen.
Not a complete guarantee mind you. There are plenty of people that have powers that imply plenty of stuff, but you never see them do that stuff.
Then again, Negi was using wind magic to control the direction he went (which implies control of atmospheric factors), so maybe it boils down to a matter of mastery in his case.
Or maybe Akamatsu decided that 150km/s was a less broken number (though it is still horribly out of the left field given the speed shown up to that point).
Not a complete guarantee mind you. There are plenty of people that have powers that imply plenty of stuff, but you never see them do that stuff.
Then again, Negi was using wind magic to control the direction he went (which implies control of atmospheric factors), so maybe it boils down to a matter of mastery in his case.
Or maybe Akamatsu decided that 150km/s was a less broken number (though it is still horribly out of the left field given the speed shown up to that point).
Or maybe magic lightning is a lot slower than actual lightning.
Which still makes the whole lightning ELEMENTAL bogus since a lightning elemental is a force of nature made flesh, and doesn't use magic to control lightning, it IS lightning and controls it naturally. If Rakan could fight one and win, he should, by all logic, have had zero problems whatsoever rofl-lmao-stomping Negi into a billion pieces, because his reaction time would be so broken it's not even funny and he'd basically have pimpslapped him right out of anything he tried.
Which still makes the whole lightning ELEMENTAL bogus since a lightning elemental is a force of nature made flesh, and doesn't use magic to control lightning, it IS lightning and controls it naturally. If Rakan could fight one and win, he should, by all logic, have had zero problems whatsoever rofl-lmao-stomping Negi into a billion pieces, because his reaction time would be so broken it's not even funny and he'd basically have pimpslapped him right out of anything he tried.
That statement is extremely mistaken.
First, anyone who has played video games in the last decade knows there's a ton of difference between <30 fps and >= 60 fps. Movies get away with less because their frames already have motion blur, thus tricking the brain, whereas neither real life nor most video game engines do.
Second, the question of fps required for apparent smooth motion is totally different from the fps required for being unnoticeable.
Third, even so rephrased, the question doesn't have any simply numeric answer for because eyes/brains do not have any frame rate at all. Visual information is read effectively continuously, barring ultimate physical limits that aren't relevant. What causes apparent smoothness at high frame rates is that neurons don't switch off instantaneously, so visual information is partially retained between frames.
No. No it doesn't. Heck, even if your premises were true in the eye working like a camera, it still wouldn't imply this, because cameras don't work that way either: a fast object generally doesn't get cut out of the frame, but rather gets you an indistinct, blurred frame. And sometimes not even that, depending on range and speed.
It should be obvious that any calculation that does not account for the field of view is going to be utterly meaningless. And that's dependent on distance and relative orientation of velocity, as well as the size of the object. On the other hand, from experience in TV/monitor refresh rates, most objects that enter and leave the human field of view in 10ms or less is going to be effectively invisible, even if they take up a significant chunk of the field of view. Unless they're very bright relative to the background or vice versa, etc.
First, anyone who has played video games in the last decade knows there's a ton of difference between <30 fps and >= 60 fps. Movies get away with less because their frames already have motion blur, thus tricking the brain, whereas neither real life nor most video game engines do.
Second, the question of fps required for apparent smooth motion is totally different from the fps required for being unnoticeable.
Third, even so rephrased, the question doesn't have any simply numeric answer for because eyes/brains do not have any frame rate at all. Visual information is read effectively continuously, barring ultimate physical limits that aren't relevant. What causes apparent smoothness at high frame rates is that neurons don't switch off instantaneously, so visual information is partially retained between frames.
No. No it doesn't. Heck, even if your premises were true in the eye working like a camera, it still wouldn't imply this, because cameras don't work that way either: a fast object generally doesn't get cut out of the frame, but rather gets you an indistinct, blurred frame. And sometimes not even that, depending on range and speed.
It should be obvious that any calculation that does not account for the field of view is going to be utterly meaningless. And that's dependent on distance and relative orientation of velocity, as well as the size of the object. On the other hand, from experience in TV/monitor refresh rates, most objects that enter and leave the human field of view in 10ms or less is going to be effectively invisible, even if they take up a significant chunk of the field of view. Unless they're very bright relative to the background or vice versa, etc.
