Star Trek 2017

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#28
More delays, and I'm getting less optimistic about ever seeing this show.  :blue:

EDIT: To clarify, I have no problem with the casting, I'm just thinking it's less and less likely that the show will even appear, beyond maybe the pilot.
 

LORD_ARM

Well-Known Member
#30
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5qVwZvjm8[/video]
 

PCHeintz72

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#31
Not surprised... there have been hints of this on the TrekYards channel on YouTube for a while. Though unless they've had more in the last week and a half since I've checked, they never reported it as being quite this bad off.

For those whom don't know about them, they, two guys, talk about mostly star trek ships in various detail (Klingon, Romulan, Federation, etc, basically any ship on screen) and even interview with the original designers on some of them (Probert, Jefferies, etc...). Mostly canon ships, but also fannon and fan film ones. They *also* comment on anything they've heard in regards to rumors and designs... be it Discovery, STO, fan films, etc...

They have access to a lot of behind the scenes material and some interviews because of the various connections and them being a known element in the community.

And they've reported a lot of the known troubles with Discovery pretty much within days of them happening.
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#33

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#34
So, the first episodes have been aired/hit the streaming services.

What did you think?

I had a few issues with it, but it wasn't as boring as Encounter at Farpoint and the opening was better than Enterprise's.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
#35
 

PCHeintz72

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#36
I saw the same news earlier and was quite surprised... Between CBS/Paramount constantly insisting that the TNG/DS9/VOY universe was basically dead except the STO game, and their treatment of fans of that version of star trek, and the investment in the Discovery and JJ Abrams continuities, and Patrick Stewarts age, I'm surprised this would come about.
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#37
So, the first episode of Picard has hit the internets.

If you've seen it, what did you think to it?

Personally, I'm not entirely sold. I like it more than Discovery, but something isn't quite right for me. Maybe it's because I've been burned before with the Mystery Box format from JJ's friends and we're in danger of things never paying off.
 

PCHeintz72

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#38
I debated posting in reply to you Lord Raa as what has been done in Star Trek this last decade tends to make me depressed.

I'll point out up front I have *not* actually seen Star Trek Picard yet. But I am somewhat interested after seeing previews, trailers, and several discussions and breakdowns of it over the last few days.

The problem is CBS/Paramount have earned my ire and I refuse to pay for CBS all access, so I'll wait for it to come out on DVD/Blu Ray box set.

I am of the general opinion CBS/Paramount gone out of there way to destroy existing Trek fans in numerous ways.

- From making the American audience pay for CBS all access when the rest of the world could get it by Netflix.

- While I can understand them going after the fan film group Axanar, the timing was suspicious since Discovery covered the same basic time frame. And sthen spreading to kill virtually all fan film series was going too far. Some were quite good and entertaining (like Star Trek Horizon, Star Trek Continues, and Star Trek Renegades). At least Star Trek Hidden Frontier had ended by then.

- To making not one but two attempts at killing the canon Star Trek timeline for fans.

- The fact they've already all but killed the possibility of the JJAbrams continuity after only a few movies.

- The awful science and ship/engine room designs.

Star Trek Picard is probably the last, best, hope for the true canon series going forward.

Hopefully, they will not muck it up like they have everything else listed as Star Trek in the last decade.

The only other source for canon Star Trek is Atari with the Star Trek Online game. Which as bad as the game is in regards to being believable, is far better than attempts by CBS/Paramount.
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#39
If the tales that swirl around the internet are to be considered anything other than BS:

1) Shari Redstone dislikes what was done with the Kelvin timeline stuff (which had to be at least 25% different for legal reasons) and considers Star Trek to be one of the crown jewels of CBS-Viacom.

2) All the recent pitches (like the Tarantino movie) that get announced in the various press outlets are just to see if Bad Robot/Secret Hideout can extend their rather lucrative contract and aren't made under their names. No-one at CBS is interested and they want to get back to the "prime timeline".

3) Discovery is going to be cancelled at the end of season 3.

4) Picard might not make it beyond season 2.

5) The merchandising licensees are not happy with the potential for toys and models from Discovery and Picard, so that revenue stream is not nearly as lucrative as CBS would have liked. A few Funkopops (which are always terrible) will not cover much of the cost of the episodes.



As for your feelings on CBS All Access, I'm with you. I don't think it has enough exclusive content to warrant a subscription. All their procedurals are already in syndication, so you'd be paying, what $8, $10 a month for Star Trek Discovery and Picard? Nah, mate. Ain't happening.

I'm lucky in that I get Picard on Amazon Prime, but you might be able to get it by using a VPN (certainly season one of Discovery is on international Netflix, so you can get that that way). Discovery is also on the UK station More4, which can be watched online, so you can make use of your VPN that way.

And if you've got a VPN, you might as well get a BBC account and use the iPlayer for Doctor Who or whatever else takes your fancy.

I'm not condoning piracy, just giving you, dear reader, some options.
 

PCHeintz72

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#40
The problem w/ Dr Who, is I loved Dr Who as a kid, and started watching it around 1983... Tom Baker years. Liked the 1st through 5th, and the 7th Doctor, the 10th was ok. But disliked the 6th and 11th+.
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#41
Yeah, the sixth was challenging, especially with his regeneration.

And the latest series isn't great.
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#42
Yeah, the sixth was challenging, especially with his regeneration.

And the latest series isn't great.
'Isn't great' is being too nice, IMHO. I have to wonder what the cast would have done with better scripts, but that's my reaction to a lot of TV and movie SF these days.
 
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