Star Trek is 50

bissek

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#1
The first episode of Star Trek aired on September 8th, 1966.

EDIT:Fixed
 

PCHeintz72

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#3
It died at about 49 and a 1/4
 

Lord Raa

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#4
Some would argue it died with Voyager, others would say it died in 2009.

But Star Trek will live on in our hearts, just like Harambe.
 

PCHeintz72

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#5
Harambe? Never mind.

In any case, I can agree with your second statement wholeheartedly...

Tons of fans hated DS9, tons hated Voyager, tons hated Enterprise, tons hated the last couple movies with the TNG crew, tons hated STO. ironically, they were not all the same fans. Many, Many fans hated the JJ Abrams universe, even caused a bit of a schism in the on-line communities.

Ironically, I liked DS9, Voyager, and to a lesser extent Enterprise (could have done with either borg or temporal cold war though). STO to me I hate not because of year, but plot and fleet layout (that fleet layout to me makes no sense whatsoever). I liked *specific* characters of the JJAbrams crew, but I loathed the ship designs and the brewary engine room with a passion.

But no, what killed Star Trek for me is how Paramount and CBS have acted of late. two items stand out.

- Star Trek Discovery: New series would have me estatic normally (Heck, I held a party for the openings of Voyager and Enterprise). But making it a 13 episode season, and then making it for just Americans only on CBS pay service, when everyone else in world can watch on Netflix. Bad.

- Treatment of Fan Film makers. They killed their own fans... Ok, I can certainly see why they might have gone against Axanar... but they sent notice and forced Horizon to shut down, which originally was to use its movie as a launch point to turn itself into a fan series. Their list of requirements for fan films insured practically all existing fan projects would have to shut down or drastically change, and future ones to be abandoned.

So...

While I've looked on line and seen interviews, summaries, and discussions on ship designs, I've not seen the newest movie, I may watch it when it hits DVD. I actually do not intend to bother with the newest series, even though like the newest movie I've seen discussions on what little is known of plot, ships, and stuff. But I'm not bothering because I refuse to pay for a CBS specific service. Though of what I've heard that could actually be interesting if done right.
 

atlas_hugged

Well-Known Member
#6
I don't know if it ever died.  All of the series have had their flaws.  But the central attitude of Star Trek, a celebration of Humanity (at least in my estimation), has lived on even in the new canon.  

I loved watching Voyager growing up, and then grew into the other series, until coming to DS9, and being blown away (after I made it through the dreadful first season). The new movies aren't the same as the old shows, but they're still fun to me.

I do wish the next product becomes more exploratory in nature.  The best trek episodes are the ones that present the audience with ethical dilemmas, like the Queuthanasia episode in voyager, or Pale Moonlight in DS9.
 

Ordo

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#7
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDDygzBT7Fo[/video]
 

Ordo

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#8
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHR0UPHERQ&t=189s[/video]
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
#9
Ordo said:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHR0UPHERQ&t=189s[/video]
One of, if not the best villainous monologues in all Trek history. This episode as a whole is what cemented DS9 as the best Trek show, for me.
 

Ordo

Well-Known Member
#10
da_fox2279 said:
Ordo said:
One of, if not the best villainous monologues in all Trek history. This episode as a whole is what cemented DS9 as the best Trek show, for me.
DS9 had some great character work. The Episode 'Waltz' where Sisko and Gul Dukat have a chat is a great one...and frightening considering you are watching Sisko forced to endure a night with a psychotic mad man that appears to think Sisko is his best friend...

That said...my favorite scene in just about all of Trek comes from DS9

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw&t=41s[/video]

I never bought into the idea that mankind had 'evolved' past grief, hate, rage or any of those other negatives. What I did buy, was that humanity had, on the whole, learned to not let those negatives overwhelm our judgment and/or actions and strive to be better. In the Pale Moonlight, to me, shows that those....negative traits...are still there....ready to be called upon when a human is pushed to far....or to pounce when one is vulnerable to those dark whispers. I won't pass Judgement on what Sisko did...I will just say...his actions and choice in that episode...were very human.
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#11
DS9 had a large number of good characters, with most of them experiencing some kind of growth to make them interesting.

Voyager did not have many. Characters that had character growth in Voyager were the Doctor, Seven and maybe Tom.

Everyone else was borderline static.
 

Ordo

Well-Known Member
#12
Lord Raa said:
DS9 had a large number of good characters, with most of them experiencing some kind of growth to make them interesting.

Voyager did not have many. Characters that had character growth in Voyager were the Doctor, Seven and maybe Tom.

Everyone else was borderline static.
True....so much so that a few were down right wooden.

 

PCHeintz72

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#13
Ordo said:
da_fox2279 said:
Ordo said:
One of, if not the best villainous monologues in all Trek history. This episode as a whole is what cemented DS9 as the best Trek show, for me.
DS9 had some great character work. The Episode 'Waltz' where Sisko and Gul Dukat have a chat is a great one...and frightening considering you are watching Sisko forced to endure a night with a psychotic mad man that appears to think Sisko is his best friend...

That said...my favorite scene in just about all of Trek comes from DS9

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw&t=41s[/video]

I never bought into the idea that mankind had 'evolved' past grief, hate, rage or any of those other negatives. What I did buy, was that humanity had, on the whole, learned to not let those negatives overwhelm our judgment and/or actions and strive to be better. In the Pale Moonlight, to me, shows that those....negative traits...are still there....ready to be called upon when a human is pushed to far....or to pounce when one is vulnerable to those dark whispers. I won't pass Judgement on what Sisko did...I will just say...his actions and choice in that episode...were very human.
There were several scenes showing that type of behavior when human pushed too far or the stakes required it...

Like when O'Brian was in that simulated prison for 20 years.

Or that episode of Enterprise where Archer was forced to raid a ship for supplies that was innocent.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
#14
Ordo said:
Lord Raa said:
DS9 had a large number of good characters, with most of them experiencing some kind of growth to make them interesting.

Voyager did not have many. Characters that had character growth in Voyager were the Doctor, Seven and maybe Tom.

Everyone else was borderline static.
True....so much so that a few were down right wooden.
I liked both Chakotay and Kim, and the biggest complaints about them were the fact that the writers seemed hellbent on keeping Chakotay chasing after Janeway's tail (even after it was more than apparent that she just wasn't interested), and the lack of promotion for Kim. I mean, come on - even Paris got his rank back.

It truly a shame, as I thought both actors were very good. Just had the bad luck of having lousy sub-plots.
 

Ordo

Well-Known Member
#15
da_fox2279 said:
Ordo said:
Lord Raa said:
DS9 had a large number of good characters, with most of them experiencing some kind of growth to make them interesting.

Voyager did not have many. Characters that had character growth in Voyager were the Doctor, Seven and maybe Tom.

Everyone else was borderline static.
True....so much so that a few were down right wooden.
I liked both Chakotay and Kim, and the biggest complaints about them were the fact that the writers seemed hellbent on keeping Chakotay chasing after Janeway's tail (even after it was more than apparent that she just wasn't interested), and the lack of promotion for Kim. I mean, come on - even Paris got his rank back.

It truly a shame, as I thought both actors were very good. Just had the bad luck of having lousy sub-plots.
Chakotay had other problems with his background and Kim was bland especially in the first season. That said the episode 'Timeless' showed that both actors were criminally under used. Timeless should've been a wake up call to the writers that these two actors can give a really good performance....if you give them something interesting to do.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6NRt1kasUQhttp://[/video]
 

Ordo

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#16
And....if I am going to talk about Voyager....I should give proper credit. This ending was one of their best...and there's something awesome about Janeway's final line and delivery.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPw8WIwgaxI[/video]

That is the kind of Janeway I wanted to see more of in this series. Yes she's a mother to her crew and trying her best to uphold Star Fleet ideals in the wilderness...but touch her crew and she'll end you.


Does this look like the face of mercy?
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#17
Time for some gifs with alternative dialogue on them.

All courtesy of the Twitter account @swear_trek




 
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