Star Trek XI 2008

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Andrew Joshua Talon

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According to the wiki page, "Star Trek" is more a "revitalization" or "revisualization" of Star Trek. Truth be told I wouldn't mind if it was an actual franchise reboot. After the crap of Voyager, Nemesis, and Enterprise, going back to the beginning of Star Trek would be a good thing I think.

As long as Berman and other craptastic writers and producers are nowhere near it.

Still, the nature of the new trailer gives me hope, as well as this image of the new Big E:



More pictures here

Authorized Fan Trailer

And the teaser trailer attached to "Cloverfield"
 
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BakaNeko

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It'll be weird not seeing the refit version... 'sides I'll bet it launches at the end of the movie.

Wonder if we'll see Kirk's Kabayashi Maru exam?
 
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Andrew Joshua Talon said:
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I'm really hoping that's not the form they pick for her. The original and Movie Enterprises were beautiful. That thing's a mess.
 
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Andrew Joshua Talon

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C'mon Charon. It's better than the ripoff of the Akira-class starship that was the NX-01, right?

Though I doubt it will happen, I wish they would pay attention to Matt Jefferies' original design intentions for Enterprise, that the engines were totally contained in the nacelles and there wasn't a warp core. It would make the ship much tougher to destroy, which might promote creativity in battle sequences not seen in Star Trek for a while.

But I won't hold my breath on that.
 
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Legacy|iB

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Agreed. That Enterprise looks like the failed bastard child of the original and the more later versions. It's certainly not as purely sexy in design as the Sovereign class ships.

But as for the film itself, I'm rather interested. I'm not the biggest fan of Star Trek - namely, I look into it just briefly more in passing than anything else - but I've got to say, this has me rather interested.

As well, Simon Pegg of Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz fame is playing Scotty, and John Cho of Harold & Kumar is playing Sulu.

...that settles it - I'm watching this one.
 
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BakaNeko

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So there might be hope that the refit will be used? ...

Anyway are there clues as to their uniforms? Like say the TOS uniforms.
 
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Wonderbee31

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My understaning from hanging out on a few Trek boards, is that this is looking to be a re-imagining, sor of like Ron Moore's Nu-BSG. The Enterprise is to sort of be a combo of the classic TV one, with some elements from the films put in as well.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2309/220084...d7fe5b93e_o.jpg

Here's a more cleaned up photo of what we see on screen at the end.

The figure in the circle is one of the welders, which gives you a good dea of how big the ship is supposed to be.
 
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aledeth

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Well, that cleaned up image looks a lot like the one that Gabe Koerner made up.

Got the bulging nacelles and the ... turbines?

Not sure what to think about those.
 
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Wonderbee31

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If I can find it, I'll see if I can link an old picture of the TOS Enterprise model one day. IIRC, this student at UCLA, in the 70's claimed that Paramount loaned it to the departmental club of his school. The model was missing bits and pieces, along with some of the electronic parts, like the glass that covered the front of the nacelles, and on the inside, it had little metal fans on the front of each one, that reflected light off of crystals that were placed inside, which gave them their sparkly appearance on TV, (and that they have tried to copy as far as the CGI versions in the Re-Mastered TOS, but still haven't got right imo). When I can find those pictures, I'll link to them in this thread.

What was shocking, was that Paramount supposedly offered to sell them the original model for around 7,000 dollars, and they didn't have the funds, so it went back to the studio. Of course, later on it was donated to the Smithsonian, but just think if somebody at the school had had that money, that 11 foot model could well be sitting in a garage somewhere today. :jawdrop:
 
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Andrew Joshua Talon said:
C'mon Charon. It's better than the ripoff of the Akira-class starship that was the NX-01, right?
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Not exactly: the NX-01 is pretty, if you can ignore continuity, and focus only on ?sthetics. Koerner's fan-ship is ugly.

The problem I have with B&B's Enterprise model is that it looks like a 23rd century ship, with quasi-24th century nacelles and transporter, on a show thats set in the 22nd century. It only works if its set in a different universe from the rest of the shows.
 
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Wonderbee31

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Prince Charon said:
Andrew Joshua Talon said:
C'mon Charon. It's better than the ripoff of the Akira-class starship that was the NX-01, right?
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Not exactly: the NX-01 is pretty, if you can ignore continuity, and focus only on ?sthetics. Koerner's fan-ship is ugly.

The problem I have with B&B's Enterprise model is that it looks like a 23rd century ship, with quasi-24th century nacelles and transporter, on a show thats set in the 22nd century. It only works if its set in a different universe from the rest of the shows.
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Got to agree with Prince Charon, the E from the last series doesn't work in what was considered ST continuity imo. What irritated me about it was how many interviews B&B gave where they would say that they worked long andhard to figure out the correct design, when it still looks like an Akira turned upside down. Funny, if there'd never been an Akira-class ship, it might have stood out in a different way, but as it was, it just failed for me the first time I saw it on screen.

Now, with that said, it's interesting to see the photo's of the ship, though this scene may never be in the film itself, as the nacelles, if you look at them in the picture above, are HUGE! :blink: Just makes me wonder if the Enterprise is going to run off af antimatter, or natural male enhancement. :rofl:
 
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Mighty Bob

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I'm not as huge a Star Trek fan as I used to be ( at one point I had every cut away poster in existance, all the encyclopedia's, ship guides and what not, as well as the Klingon Dictionary and the audio supplements. Lost most of them years ago when my interest waned though. Pity, 'Mr. Scot's Guide to the Enterprise' is outta print now it seems ) but I'm really looking forward to this movie. I liked Enterprise but have to agree it would have worked better as an AU than an actual precursor to all other Trek franchises. Pity too, since the characters seemed more, well, human than those of 'later' series and the technology was based more on what we know of things today than what was known back when the first series aired.

Anyways, bout the so called 'turbines' - Seems to me they're just the Bussard Ramscoop's that all Star Trek vessels have had, though powered down. If you watch the original series and lok at the front of the nacelles you'll see them kinda swirling and whatnot, that'd be the turbine-like structures at work as they suck in naturally occuring hydrogen and dutuerium(sp?) that helps supplement the starships's supplies of fuel for the matter/antimatter engines. Not so sure why people make such a huge deal outta this, looking at the nacelles from the TOS it's not hard to imagine that they'd look like turbines when non-active. Mebbe it's just me that thinks this though :huh.: *runs off to go watch 'Wrath of Khan' the best ST movie ever*
 
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BakaNeko

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Wonderbee31 said:
Got to agree with Prince Charon, the E from the last series doesn't work in what was considered ST continuity imo.
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What continuity? They tried to explain away the "deviation" in style by saying Montgomery Scott had a hand in it's design. They'd just wanted something to look cool.

I wish they'd showed more shots of the bottom. Thats something that made the earlier movies great, the close ups and the feeling that it's titans clashing when it's a ship to ship battle.

Speaking of Wrath of Khan, do you think this version of the Enterprise is going to use old phaser effect or the new one?

The old movie effect being the one where Khan and Kirk trade fire in ST:II.



The new one which I dislike is when they use the phaser banks in the TOS Remastered episodes.
 
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Dartz_IRL

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZiR-NETDr0&feature=related

Clearer trailer.

I do indeed like the look of it. It does seem to promise to be a more detailed version of the original, than an outright reboot... The Nacelle turbines are just an implementation of the same light effects from the original, though there appears to be some odd ribbing effects running along the nacelles themselves.

It is trying to stay true to the original, it seems to me.
 
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Wonderbee31

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Oh, just wanted to update this, with the page I was speaking of earlier in this thread. In 1972, the original series model was taken out of storage and exhibited at Golden West College in Huntington Beach, CA. The whole story is on the IDIC website and concerns What might have happened if the Smithsonian hadn't gotten ahold of the Enterprise model

Just imagine if the Enterprise was sitting in a garage today? Still, they may have had the original spinning nacelles rather than the bright reds that the Smithsonian fixed up as replacements.
 
ThreadWeaver

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I'm looking forward to seeing how it comes out.

I always hated how TOS Enterpise looked. I loved the first movie's version.

I always saw the progression of the ships as improving as our ability to imagine the future got better. TOS always suffered from a blaring lack of funds, which prevented them from going as high tech as they could have. 'Enterprise' had tech that I was more willing to believe might actually be found in a first generation warp-capable ship.

Hell, the space shuttle has/had better electronics than TOS Enterprise. Granted, TOS did really good considering how crappily they were funded, but I always thought that everything looked like it was made of crepe-paper and cardboard.

Damn.. now I have to go dig out my Scott's guide to the Enterprise and my Enterprise-D schematics again...
 
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Andrew Joshua Talon

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Everything in the photos looks fucking awesome. Let's just hope the rest of the movie is the same way.
 
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drakensis

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Kirk seems a little wrong, not sure if it's the face or just the youth - I know he's supposed to be the youngest Captain in the Fleet, but he barely looks old enough to shave. Of course, still pictures may not convey the acting.

The others all look good - it's completely clear who is who and the resmblence is very good in those shots.
 
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Wonderbee31

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Well, they've got pictures of the new movie Enterprise out at last, and all I can say is...I hope the storytelling doesn't turn this into Dawson's Trek. Sorry, but this looks more like a follow up to the movie Enterprise, not a prequel to the TV one. I know you might think the TV one is clunky, but I still think it was one of the more beautiful ships on the small screen, and don't really know if this is a joke, or as it's stated, the real deal, just not what I like.

New Enterprise?
 
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seikyo

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Just in case anyone who hasn't heard, or seen, the new trailer go to www.startrekmovie.com to see it. :)

I don't think anyone would be very disappointed.
 
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yakumo fujii

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Wonderbee31 said:
Well, they've got pictures of the new movie Enterprise out at last, and all I can say is...I hope the storytelling doesn't turn this into Dawson's Trek. Sorry, but this looks more like a follow up to the movie Enterprise, not a prequel to the TV one. I know you might think the TV one is clunky, but I still think it was one of the more beautiful ships on the small screen, and don't really know if this is a joke, or as it's stated, the real deal, just not what I like.

New Enterprise?
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I think they're going to do a total reboot of the franchise, understandable when so much time as passed since TOS and things like the Eugenics Wars of the 90s didn't happen.

Also, I liked the trailer though the beginning was a bit ridiculous. :lol:
 
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