Star Wars: Rogue One

Ordo

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[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg[/video]
 

atlas_hugged

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Ordo said:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg[/video]
I'm disappointed that I'm not getting Top Gun in Space or Saving Private Ryan in Space, but instead getting the Hunger Games in Space.   Please don't take this as a sexist critique: both of the movies I proposed would be equally awesome with female characters.  But angsty teenage (G/M)ary S(t)ue drama In Space doesn't appeal to me. 

I'm not expecting a good film anymore, but I will still go see it on opening night because star wars has me hopelessly by the balls.
 

Ordo

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How is this Hunger Games in space?
 

Contrabardus

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Yeah, not seeing this as anything like the Hunger Games at all.

Given what we hear in New Hope, basically everyone dies. I'm sure there will be some survivors, but this doesn't strike me as something made for tweens. I also doubt there will be much of a romance element if any given what they've said about the tone they're going for. Getting those plans was the first real victory the Rebels had ever according to the crawl at the opening of Episode IV, so at this point they're getting their asses handed to them on a regular basis and are barely scraping by. I'll be surprised if both leads survive the film.

It's also been confirmed that Vader will be a major element in the film as he is tasked with hunting down the plans once they are stolen. James Earl Jones is still alive and this is a major chance to put his voice on screen again as an iconic villain who is just a badass as we've seen in SW: Rebels, where he also voices him. In the movies, outside of a little in Empire Strike's Back, we really don't see why he's so feared as a Sith Lord outside of the Imperial Military. This would be good opportunity to show that on screen. Though, his appearance is all but certain, there is no confirmation that he has more than a cameo towards the end of the film. Would like to see more than that to be honest and have him take over as the main villain in the second half of the film.

I'm wondering if the white clad Imperial we see is with ISB or a Grand Admiral? Rumor mill has it that Del Toro might be playing Thrawn in Episode VIII so we might get our first look at that here via a cameo or name drop. Also wondering if Whitaker might be a Mandalorian? The armor is different than what we've seen before, but he would work as an old worn out Mandalore warrior working as a bounty hunter.

This is just a teaser, but given what we've seen so far, I'm okay with this and looking forward to it. Not as much as Episode VIII, but I'm buying a ticket because it looks like it will be good, not just because it's Star Wars. This has a completely different vibe than Hunger Games based on this trailer and what I've seen about in in the past. Not really seeing the comparison to be honest.
 

Antimatter

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#5
It actually looks quite brutal.  People shot left and right, rebels in captivity, etc.  Obviously Mon Martha is seeing this as a near suicide mission, so I doubt she is sending her best and brightest on it. 

In that I think she expects them to die here.  I also don't see any agnst here, just a general lack of giving a damn about authority.
 

The Ero-Sennin

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#6
That siren in the trailer was dumb and unnecessary.
 

Contrabardus

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The Ero-Sennin said:
That siren in the trailer was dumb and unnecessary.

It's a sound effect used in A New Hope, so it did kind of make sense given the context of the scenes it was played over. Trailer might have been better without it, but I did get why it was in there and it really wasn't out of place. The look of the movie is very much in line with Episode IV given the droid, costume, and set designs, and the siren sound effect kind of went with that vibe.
 

Ordo

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I try not to be an elitist Star Wars nerd....but seriously people....pay ATTENTION.
 

MastaofBitches

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#9
It has Donnie Yen in it. I'm gonna see it just because of that.
 

Contrabardus

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Ordo said:
I try not to be an elitist Star Wars nerd....but seriously people....pay ATTENTION.
I was actually talking about the opening crawl that states that the acquisition of the plans are the first victory for the Rebellion. Things have not gone well for them prior to that. It's a pretty good bet that a good number of our heroes in the movie won't survive, not only due to the battle mentioned, but because it ends up in Princess Leia's hands as she is captured delivering them to Yavin. So it's a pretty good bet that none of them make it back to Yavin by the end of the film. That could just be because they go their separate ways once the hand off is made, but it could also be because none of them make it beyond that point.

Still, someone handed them off, so at least one of them manages to survive long enough to manage that.

Part of the appeal of this movie is the idea that no one is safe going in outside of classic characters who will likely be no more than cameos outside of maybe Vader, and even he might end up relegated to that kind of part. They could all be dead by the end of the movie as there's no guarantee that they'll survive once the plans are delivered and could end up giving their lives to buy time for whoever it is that gets the plans to the Princess makes it to that point.

I also like that this could add some gravity to A New Hope's plot. If done right it could add new weight to that particular plot thread in the movie as we know exactly what was sacrificed to steal the plans and get them to where they are at the opening to Episode IV.
 

sith2886

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#11
Contrabardus said:
Ordo said:
I try not to be an elitist Star Wars nerd....but seriously people....pay ATTENTION.
I was actually talking about the opening crawl that states that the acquisition of the plans are the first victory for the Rebellion. Things have not gone well for them prior to that. It's a pretty good bet that a good number of our heroes in the movie won't survive, not only due to the battle mentioned, but because it ends up in Princess Leia's hands as she is captured delivering them to Yavin. So it's a pretty good bet that none of them make it back to Yavin by the end of the film. That could just be because they go their separate ways once the hand off is made, but it could also be because none of them make it beyond that point.

Still, someone handed them off, so at least one of them manages to survive long enough to manage that.

Part of the appeal of this movie is the idea that no one is safe going in outside of classic characters who will likely be no more than cameos outside of maybe Vader, and even he might end up relegated to that kind of part. They could all be dead by the end of the movie as there's no guarantee that they'll survive once the plans are delivered and could end up giving their lives to buy time for whoever it is that gets the plans to the Princess makes it to that point.

I also like that this could add some gravity to A New Hope's plot. If done right it could add new weight to that particular plot thread in the movie as we know exactly what was sacrificed to steal the plans and get them to where they are at the opening to Episode IV.
IIRC they were transmitted weren't they? What if they were sent from the Death Star
 

Contrabardus

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sith2886 said:
Contrabardus said:
Ordo said:
I try not to be an elitist Star Wars nerd....but seriously people....pay ATTENTION.
I was actually talking about the opening crawl that states that the acquisition of the plans are the first victory for the Rebellion. Things have not gone well for them prior to that. It's a pretty good bet that a good number of our heroes in the movie won't survive, not only due to the battle mentioned, but because it ends up in Princess Leia's hands as she is captured delivering them to Yavin. So it's a pretty good bet that none of them make it back to Yavin by the end of the film. That could just be because they go their separate ways once the hand off is made, but it could also be because none of them make it beyond that point.

Still, someone handed them off, so at least one of them manages to survive long enough to manage that.

Part of the appeal of this movie is the idea that no one is safe going in outside of classic characters who will likely be no more than cameos outside of maybe Vader, and even he might end up relegated to that kind of part. They could all be dead by the end of the movie as there's no guarantee that they'll survive once the plans are delivered and could end up giving their lives to buy time for whoever it is that gets the plans to the Princess makes it to that point.

I also like that this could add some gravity to A New Hope's plot. If done right it could add new weight to that particular plot thread in the movie as we know exactly what was sacrificed to steal the plans and get them to where they are at the opening to Episode IV.
IIRC they were transmitted weren't they? What if they were sent from the Death Star
That's right. Vader does mention that they intercepted a transmission. No mention of the origin point, but they weren't physically handed off.
 

gojiita

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#13
I thought Rogue Squadron was created by Luke and Wedge from Red Squadron some time after Yavin but before Hoth. Are they retconning that now? Will it be that they borrowed the name to honour some past agents?
 

Contrabardus

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gojiita said:
I thought Rogue Squadron was created by Luke and Wedge from Red Squadron some time after Yavin but before Hoth. Are they retconning that now? Will it be that they borrowed the name to honour some past agents?
Rogue One isn't necessarily the same thing as Rogue Squadron and probably has nothing to do with that group. Rogue Squadron is a fighter pilot squadron, there's nothing to indicate anyone here is a pilot outside of one member being in charge of transporting the group around. This is more like a specialized squad for guerilla warfare and infiltration.

Plus, there's nothing canon that says that Luke or Wedge were founders of Rogue Squadron even if there is a connection. They were probably assigned to an existing squad when their squad was all but wiped out over Yavin taking down the Death Star.

The EU doesn't count, and basically everything about Rogue Squadron is EU stuff. The sole exception to this is the Empire Strikes Back and the Battle of Hoth. It's the only place in remaining canon where Luke and Wedge's flight group are referred to as Rogue, and it was Rogue Group and not Squadron, so if you really want to get technical then Rogue Squadron doesn't exist anymore because there is no reference to it in what remains of canon. Even then, it's possible that it was just that particular flight group in the Snow Speeders and didn't carry on beyond that. The flight groups in space are always color based callsigns in the movies, Rogue might be specific to planet surface and atmosphere operations combat groups within the Rebellion.

As of now there is no canon backing of the existence of a Rogue Squadron outside of Luke calling his fellow Snow Speeder Pilots "Rogue Group" in Empire's Hoth battle.

Not saying that won't change in the future, but as of now Rogue Squadron isn't really a thing in Star Wars anymore until something official puts it back.
 

Rising Dragon

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#15
Disney is Bringing on Even More Help to Reshoot
Star Wars: Rogue One:


"Disney is bringing on some additional help to work on Star Wars:
Rogue One: Simon Crane, who has worked as a Second Unit Director
or stunt coordinator for such films as Jason Bourne, Edge of Tomorrow
and Quantum of Solace.

According to the Hollywood Reporter, Crane’s involvement likely means
that some of the reshoots will involve retouching the action sequences.
Crane is joining Tony Gilroy, who has been brought on to oversee the
reshoots and provide some additional material to the film.

The goal of the reshoots appears to be to convert the film from that of
a war film feel to more of a “four quadrant” movie."

See:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/disney-is-bringing-on-even-more-help-to-reshoot-star-wa-1780541867
 

jaredstar

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#16
Anybody else feel like the last half hour was one kick in the balls after the other
 

Contrabardus

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#17
jaredstar said:
Anybody else feel like the last half hour was one kick in the balls after the other
Went about how I expected, it kind of had to. It was nice seeing Darth Vader being a badass. He was only in a couple of scenes, but both times he was epic.

Saw more of Tarkin than I expected. He has a case of CGI face though. It wasn't too bad, but it is something you'll notice. Didn't expect to see it for the Rebel pilots, that was a nice touch.
 

Light02

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#18
Well that wasn't CGI for those to pilots those were alt takes from a found reel of Episode IV the production team found.
 

Contrabardus

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Light02 said:
Well that wasn't CGI for those to pilots those were alt takes from a found reel of Episode IV the production team found.
It was still CGI, the backgrounds were changed and only original actors' faces/heads were cut from the footage and their bodies were CGI in some shots to create a wider angle than the original footage.

Wasn't the same thing they did to bring Tarkin back, but it was still a CGI effect.

Very cool moment in the film, huge cheer in the theater when it happened.
 

Ordo

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#20
Rogue One After Action report.

Rebellion:

Now we know WHY the Rebels had no capital ships on screen until Empire....and why they had only a skeleton crew of fighters at their main base on Yavin 4 during the attack on the Death Star.

It might just be me...but it looks like every shady/assassin type the Rebellion had died getting those plans...which might explain the squeaky clean rep the Rebels would have later on....it also means the war may have lasted longer since those people weren't around...but that's just guessing.

Empire:

Shield gates apparently stopped being a thing after Scarif....Which makes sense as Rebel crazy allowed them to exploit a flaw in the design.

Vader's furious response to Leia on the Tantive IV makes sense...he literally watched her flee the initial boarding action and she has the nerve to spout that BS. Apparently she has bigger girl balls than I initially gave her credit for.

Anything else?
 

Altered Nova

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Finally saw the movie yesterday. Loved it. Then went home and googled how the hell they managed to fake a young Carrie Fisher, only to discover that she died that same morning. Princess Leia died the same day I went to see Rogue One. That kind of ruined my good mood a bit.
 

Ordo

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Altered Nova said:
Finally saw the movie yesterday. Loved it. Then went home and googled how the hell they managed to fake a young Carrie Fisher, only to discover that she died that same morning. Princess Leia died the same day I went to see Rogue One. That kind of ruined my good mood a bit.
It's....been a rough year....but yeah....that was a hell of a kick in the teeth.
 

Stormfury

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Vader's dad joke was the best part of the movie. I'm not even saying that sarcastically, because I loved the movie outside of Cassian's character for the first 2/3d's of the movie. I just love dad jokes, and it was delivered so perfectly.
 

da_fox2279

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