TFF Governance

[Ghostface]

Admins: Two

Mods: Multiple mods but with low power. 4-6

Rotation: No

 

[ttestagr]

We are not determining any positions at this moment, and that list isn't even actual list of people available for the position. Please read the first post.

The specifics of my list make basic thoughts on the matter pretty clear. 2 Admins and at least 6 mods.

Mods should be low power, Admins high. No rotation per se, but there should be some kind of agreement for taking a break or straight retiring. More mods than less would be better for that and for them.

 

[foreverzero]

I'm fine with no rotation. I'd have changed my post if the change in opinion had bothered me.

And on a side note, I don't think Raine has managed to make the move yet. From the sounds of the last post of his I saw, he hadn't managed to recieve a PM with his new password.

 

[Get-lost]

2 admin
Multiple mods, low powers
Yes forum
no rotation, just new mods/admin as needed

 

[Shirotsume]

POLLS ARE CLOSED.

 

[ArchfiendRai]

Everything but the number of admins seems pretty clear to me. Seems that its either one or two.

 

[TFF_Admin]

In total, 61 people voted.
MIssing votes are considered an abstain.
Questionable votes are recorded separately to see if they even would affect the vote.

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In total for admin, there was
23 definite votes for 1 admin.
10 Definite votes for 1 admin + backup. (one active admin, and someone else who can go admin in an emergency)
13 Definite votes for 2 admins
10 definite votes for 3 or more admins.

1 votes that could be 1 or 1+b
4 votes that could be 2 or 1+b
1 vote that could be 1 or 2

One admin wins, regardless of unsure votes.

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56 definitive votes for multiple mods.
2 definitive vote for few mods.
1 definitive vote for no mods

2 unknown votes.

Multiple admins win.

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33 definitive votes for low power.

Without counting the rest of the votes, 33 of 61 votes is a majority.

Low power it is.
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Rotation
44 definitive no votes, not counting unknowns or possibles.

Without counting the rest of the votes, 44 of 61 votes is a majority.
No rotation.

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Mod Forum:
Everyone either voted yes or didn't vote.
Mod forum confirmed.

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Final vote: One admin, Multiple "Low" moderators with no rotation (but there is impeachment), and a moderator appeal forum.

 

[Vexarian]

What exactly is the purpose of a moderator appeals forum... if moderators cannot ban for longer than a day or so?

 

[TFF_Admin]

Uh, my version of short is apparently longer than yours, and I supposed that's my bad. (Short is, to me, a week. A day doesn't even register for most people)

It's also for the admin perma-ban.

 

[ArchfiendRai]

So, in this case, does "One Admin" mean that if shit happens we'll be stuck without one again, or will the root admin you're using remain?

 

[TFF_Admin]

Leaving the root admin sounds like it would be one admin + backup.

 

[Ninsaneja]

The admin will be sworn into office with an oath to pass on the admin password in case of losing interest in the board or otherwise becoming not-the-admin. Including getting voted off the island.

EDIT: That's the best we can hope for.

 

[ArchfiendRai]

If you want to get technical, 1 + B and 2 are practically the same thing right? In that case it would be a tie between 1 and 1+B/2.

I don't know, I may be reaching, but I'm just getting a really bad feeling about only having one.

Edit: I'm less worried about that and more about critical existence failure.

 

[rdde]

In total for admin, there was
23 definite votes for 1 admin.
10 Definite votes for 1 admin + backup. (one active admin, and someone else who can go admin in an emergency)
13 Definite votes for 2 admins
10 definite votes for 3 or more admins.

1 votes that could be 1 or 1+b
4 votes that could be 2 or 1+b
1 vote that could be 1 or 2

One admin wins, regardless of unsure votes.

This is an example of vote splitting.

Vote splitting is an electoral effect in which the distribution of votes among multiple similar candidates reduces the chance of winning for any of the similar candidates, and increases the chance of winning for a dissimilar candidate.

Another way of looking at the numbers is that 23 people voted for 1 admin and 33 people voted for more than one admin. If you repoll with only two options, 1 admin vs more than 1 admin, the more than 1 admin group will probably win.

 

[Vexarian]

In total for admin, there was
23 definite votes for 1 admin.
10 Definite votes for 1 admin + backup. (one active admin, and someone else who can go admin in an emergency)
13 Definite votes for 2 admins
10 definite votes for 3 or more admins.

1 votes that could be 1 or 1+b
4 votes that could be 2 or 1+b
1 vote that could be 1 or 2

One admin wins, regardless of unsure votes.

This is an example of vote splitting.

Vote splitting is an electoral effect in which the distribution of votes among multiple similar candidates reduces the chance of winning for any of the similar candidates, and increases the chance of winning for a dissimilar candidate.

Another way of looking at the numbers is that 23 people voted for 1 admin and 33 people voted for more than one admin. If you repoll with only two options, 1 admin vs more than 1 admin, the more than 1 admin group will probably win.

Dude's got a point, I was even thinking of pointing this out but I guess I got distracted by the rest of the results.

We should have a clarifying poll between One Admin and Multiple Admins, and should that win, determine if Admin+Backup, Two Admins or a Team of Admins are the most popular.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

1+B is actually different from both, so technically the choices between 1 and multiple would be a tie in the legitimate votes, and 10 would go to the special case. However, we've pretty much confirmed 1+B is what would happen in the 1 case anyway (since we can go bug Spork to add an elected mod), so those votes would probably be combined with one and take it. Depends really though, 1+B was a rather weird case added later down the line.

 

[ArchfiendRai]

Perhaps we should have had more closed standards for that vote. It was completely open to interpretation. You could have voted for 100 if you wanted to.

Since that one was the only one that didn't have a clear cut answer, would you all be opposed to redoing it? This time, its a simple poll. One or Two?

Three had the least, and as I said, if you count 2 and 1+B together, it would be a tie vote. Making it either Two or One would make it a straight vote.

Also, goodnight. I'll catch up in the morning.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Actually it was supposed to be only a vote for 1 or Multiple. 2 and three count for multiple. 1+B is however a special case. It's not technically one, and it's not technically multiple. However in the one case, we have the backup option anyway by bugging spork, so they'd probably count for that one more than multiple regardless.

 

[Shirotsume]

I don't really see how it was open to interpretation.
One admin is one admin.
1+B is one admin, and another guy that CAN go admin-mode if shit hits the fan, but otherwise is not an active admin.
Two admins is two active admins.
Three or more is... I wonder.


I'm fine with a new poll, but I would like to get all this to get a move on.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

Actually in fairness this was in the opening post:

For admins you may vote for one, or multiple.
Admins will have ultimate power over the board by necessity- we need to be careful with this because they CAN just up and delete the board- or worse.

So two and three would be combined, which would make that vote a tie in terms of the standard votes.

 

[rdde]

You really need to nail down the definition of 1+b. Exactly how is the b going to be implemented? Spork? Admin password in a "do-not-open-unless-threat-of-armageddon" box? Scouts honour not to go admin unless admin is MIA when needed? Second actual admin but defers all admin duties to the primary admin unless primary admin MIA?

 

[TFF_Admin]

Alright, this poll is open for 3 days. Let's nail this down already, please.

 

[Sunhawk]

My thoughts:

Number of Admins: Two. I'm mostly concerned here about redundancy in case a single admin takes off, dies or the like, so it's sufficient to have one that's active and one that's really just there 'in case' (I'd suggest Shirotsume for the second, if only because of a singular lack of desire for continuing admin power. He set up the whole thing, and he'd not have to do diddly squat unless the admin vanished... in which case he can appoint a new one).

Forum Mods: Three or four seems to be about a good number to start. Power to move/rename threads, delete posts/edit posts up to a week old, forum-wide temp ban of up to a week after a warning is issued (don't have to wait for a complaint).

Sub Forum Mods: High-traffic sub-forums should probably have a mod appointed for them. Power to delete posts/edit posts in the sub-forum up to a week old and sub-forum temp ban of up to a week after a warning is issued (don't have to wait for a complaint).

Rotation/Election: I'm leery of rotation, since if you've got a mod that isn't abusing their power, then there's no reason to rotate out unless they're tired of doing it. If they're naughty, then an admin has the power to give them the boot.

 

[Vexarian]

Alright, this poll is open for 3 days. Let's nail this down already, please.

This poll doesn't actually... do anything.

We were concerned over the possibility that having many different "More than one Admin" options was splitting the vote, and this poll doesn't actually resolve anything on that front. It's literally nothing but "One Admin" and all of the different sorts of "More than One Admin" possibilities.

 

[Shirotsume]

If you actually read the first post, you would know that One Admin will be counted on it's own, as will Two Admins. Everything else will be counted as One Admin + Backup.

Should One Admin + Backup win, the highest version of One Admin+Backup would win.

So if we had
30 votes One admin, no backup.
10 votes One admin, ask spork to transfer on AFK.
12 votes One admin, a backup with a password all mods working together can break.
16 votes One admin, someone with a backup account they're not to use.
09 votes Two admins, but one defers on work if needed. (Counted as a 1 admin + backup)
20 votes Two admins.

Then the result would be "One admin, someone with a backup account they're not to use."

Because 10+12+16+9=37.
37>30>20.
Inside that 37, "One admin, someone with a backup account they're not to use." is the highest with 16 votes.