The abuse of the Naruto forum
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...one would think that, despite posting in that thread, I would have noticed that it was in that section.
In any case, the best place would be here as it's specifically made for challenges.
It doesn't really belong in either Ideas or Talk; you're not coming up with the idea yourself (at most, a broad frame for responders to work with), nor are you talking about the anime.
In any case, the best place would be here as it's specifically made for challenges.
It doesn't really belong in either Ideas or Talk; you're not coming up with the idea yourself (at most, a broad frame for responders to work with), nor are you talking about the anime.
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Hey, quick thought: What if Hawk put a security system akin to the Lemon Access on the Naruto Ideas and Talk (and maybe Preiews too, for good measure)?
Wait, wait! Hear me out! If Hawk put this into place, then he would have 100% control over who can post in there. (If it was me, I'd only grant access to members who include links to their stories in their requests. :sisi: )
The only downside is that Hawk would have to dig through more PMs for requests to gain permission to post in there. If Hawk is willing to take one for the team, this would solve the problem permanently (or at least for a few years).
Oh, I forgot about lurkers. :sweat: You can allow any/everybody to view the forums, but only add posts if they have permission that only you can grant. (I hope that's possible with Invisionfree.)
EDIT: :headbanger: Or, you can create a fourth subtopic in the Naruto section, that has that security thingy on it. That way, there's one higher-quality subsection for the real writers, and one for the ex-lurkers.
Wait, wait! Hear me out! If Hawk put this into place, then he would have 100% control over who can post in there. (If it was me, I'd only grant access to members who include links to their stories in their requests. :sisi: )
The only downside is that Hawk would have to dig through more PMs for requests to gain permission to post in there. If Hawk is willing to take one for the team, this would solve the problem permanently (or at least for a few years).
Oh, I forgot about lurkers. :sweat: You can allow any/everybody to view the forums, but only add posts if they have permission that only you can grant. (I hope that's possible with Invisionfree.)
EDIT: :headbanger: Or, you can create a fourth subtopic in the Naruto section, that has that security thingy on it. That way, there's one higher-quality subsection for the real writers, and one for the ex-lurkers.
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I'd volunteer to mod, since the Naruto forum is the only one I go to at this site, but I get the feeling I would not be a popular choice. I've caused a few stirs myself, since I spoke up against the rabid Sasuke hate floating around. Couple people even called me a troll, for some reason.
Though if you do close the forum, I'd have no reason to come here anymore, so I have a personal interest in keeping it around.
Though if you do close the forum, I'd have no reason to come here anymore, so I have a personal interest in keeping it around.
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Having a differences of opinion doesn't make it a troll. It's when it 'appears' that your difference in opinion is simply to debate does it become a problem. Especially if all the 'debates' seem to only piss off people instead of enlighten. Not saying Ryo-Wolf is a troll for this since I'm not saying he is doing this, it's just why people think he is one given how the last debates/arguments degraded.
If there is an anti-troll rule, this is why there should be a high standard for one. A few people I believe ARE trolls. I mean if you're celebrating 'winning' a debate when the others were simply pissed off by your idiotic assumptions and flimsy evidence, that is the sign of a troll. If you simply had an unpopular opinion, no, that doesn't make you a troll.
And this is the problem with having a moderator and why Ryo-Wolf and I should NEVER be one. As well as the suggestion of having people vote for a mod for the complete opposite reason. I'm sure even Hawk can't be looked upon as a source of unbiased opinion either. Though for the most part, Hawk's rulings and what he deletes has been fair to everyone. If he starts nitpicking certain threads that have 'problems', his 'bias' might show. Since Hawk is going the route of 'all or nothing' (i.e. he either leaves the thread up, or takes it all down. Not just punish a few bad apples), there isn't going to be as much of a problem then if someone was chosen to be a mod, and who's job is to moderates each and every thread.
If there is an anti-troll rule, this is why there should be a high standard for one. A few people I believe ARE trolls. I mean if you're celebrating 'winning' a debate when the others were simply pissed off by your idiotic assumptions and flimsy evidence, that is the sign of a troll. If you simply had an unpopular opinion, no, that doesn't make you a troll.
And this is the problem with having a moderator and why Ryo-Wolf and I should NEVER be one. As well as the suggestion of having people vote for a mod for the complete opposite reason. I'm sure even Hawk can't be looked upon as a source of unbiased opinion either. Though for the most part, Hawk's rulings and what he deletes has been fair to everyone. If he starts nitpicking certain threads that have 'problems', his 'bias' might show. Since Hawk is going the route of 'all or nothing' (i.e. he either leaves the thread up, or takes it all down. Not just punish a few bad apples), there isn't going to be as much of a problem then if someone was chosen to be a mod, and who's job is to moderates each and every thread.
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I don't know if these suggestions are quite what we need, but I'll throw them out there anyway.
How about something akin to a sage function for locking threads?
Or maybe just higher mod powers for the OP in a thread? Maybe the ability to lock the thread, or maybe freeze certain peoples ability to add further replies, though not delete their replies so far?
How about something akin to a sage function for locking threads?
Or maybe just higher mod powers for the OP in a thread? Maybe the ability to lock the thread, or maybe freeze certain peoples ability to add further replies, though not delete their replies so far?
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I think that was suggested already. A way for threads to, instead of being deleted, be locked instead. Especially since, even in those threads that degrade into personal bashing and just pisses people off, there are people that made good points. Something that would be lost if it was completely deleted.
I'm not sure Hawk was able to find a way to do it though.
I'm not sure Hawk was able to find a way to do it though.
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Wow. Are we still talking about Moderation?
Because I'm pretty sure that Hawk already said his decision on that.
I know that a lot of people want to help out. I do too. However, the best way to do that is to buckle down, stop causing the problems in the first place, and just use common sense when you're going to post.
There are several ways to help do that.
For instance, if you're not sure whether it's not okay to make a certain post (inside or outside of the Naruto forum), PM me. If there's a problem I can see, I'll point it out to you, though I'm definitely not going to be perfect.
It doesn't have to be me either; anybody with a relatively objective view point can help you decide whether or not it's a bad decision.
Who knows - maybe in the time before the other person replies, you'll be able to figure out what to do yourself?
Another thing to keep in mind is to avoid "yelling" unnecessarily. You know what I mean, too. Capitalization, bolding, anything to emphasize a point by the format of the text itself can aggravate people, especially if used incorrectly.
Never resort to personal insults as well.
Also, don't perform necromancy an argument unless you sincerely have some new evidence (not an opinion) that hasn't been picked apart before.
There are other things you can do of course, but those are the ones that came up off the top of my head.
Because I'm pretty sure that Hawk already said his decision on that.
I know that a lot of people want to help out. I do too. However, the best way to do that is to buckle down, stop causing the problems in the first place, and just use common sense when you're going to post.
There are several ways to help do that.
For instance, if you're not sure whether it's not okay to make a certain post (inside or outside of the Naruto forum), PM me. If there's a problem I can see, I'll point it out to you, though I'm definitely not going to be perfect.
It doesn't have to be me either; anybody with a relatively objective view point can help you decide whether or not it's a bad decision.
Who knows - maybe in the time before the other person replies, you'll be able to figure out what to do yourself?
Another thing to keep in mind is to avoid "yelling" unnecessarily. You know what I mean, too. Capitalization, bolding, anything to emphasize a point by the format of the text itself can aggravate people, especially if used incorrectly.
Never resort to personal insults as well.
Also, don't perform necromancy an argument unless you sincerely have some new evidence (not an opinion) that hasn't been picked apart before.
There are other things you can do of course, but those are the ones that came up off the top of my head.
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Personally, I come here mostly for the Naruto forum. Both for the stories, the discussion about the series, to share my ideas, and to read other people's ideas. I do occasionally check out the HP section. And once or twice I've stepped into the Bleach and a couple of other sections, when there isn't anything in the Naruto section at the time, but that's pretty much it for me.
If the Naruto section vanished, my interest in the site would pretty much drop to nil.
But if you do decide to kill it or lock it down, please let us know a fair bit in advance. I've posted a number of ideas and the like that I would like to backup, if they're going to be disappearing.
If the Naruto section vanished, my interest in the site would pretty much drop to nil.
But if you do decide to kill it or lock it down, please let us know a fair bit in advance. I've posted a number of ideas and the like that I would like to backup, if they're going to be disappearing.
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