The Apollo Inheritance

[Deleted member 5249]

It's indicated in the manga that the Senshi are genetically identical to their previous incarnations.? Otherwise, Chibiusa would not have been the 'first child of an Earthling and someone of the Silver Millenium.'? Paraphrasing here, but still canon.?

I know that even Earth science should have noticed something funny if she's not human, but they didn't.? Figure they either didn't do the kinds of tests needed to detect her non-human genetics, or it's a side effect of the spell.

There's also the fact Usagi is incapable of having a second child like the rest of the Serenity line shows she has to be related. Otherwise do you not see Usagi having more than one child?

Act 49

"This kid is Sailor Chibi-Chibi," says Usagi.

Chibi-Usa grimaces.

"Sailor Chibi-Chibi?"

"Yep! Even like this, she's a fine soldier. Sailor Chibi-Chibi... Say, shouldn't you put a moon after that?"

Chibi-Chibi looks puzzled.

"She came here across time and space just like you, Chibi-Usa," says Usagi. "Isn't she your little sister?"

"M- My little sister!?"

"Could it be the Queen's second child?" says Ceres. "Now that you mention it, you two look exactly alike."

"I heard that from generation to generation, the Millennium's queen only gives birth to one princess," says Vesta.

"I also learned that!" says Juno.

 

[Aarik]

Replace all uses of universe with galaxy.

Sailor Moon power levels are in the galaxy range not the universal range, There's a difference a massive difference, A mere galaxy is cosmically insignifficant, A universe on the other hand is somewhat important.

I was technically refuring to the outers but whatever i dont care anymore.

 

[Vexarian]

But the last heir was Usagi in another body. It's just a body transfer, and the throne wasn't taken. Usagi was chosen by the crystal, which is the symbol of the crown iirc.

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If there was anyone else to contend for the throne it would be another matter. But the case is, they need usagi, and she was the last heir in another body, *and* they need a new symbol of authority.

Completely different point. The fleet follows the laws of the Silver Millenium not the possession of the crystal, those laws did not take this situation into account.

Crystals and memories don't matter to those laws anymore than reincarnation does. Suggesting that the fleet ignores its own laws when they are inconvenient sets a very dangerous precedent.

A loophole must be found within the framework of the laws, or the laws themselves must be changed. Problem is they can't do the latter since for that you need a government and such, which there isn't because of the laws ...

 

[Tom_Badgerlock]

You didn't say anything about usagi being the heir ever being annulled.

Also, What ground does this Mau stand on?

He is the last menber of Silver Millennium he thinks, and cannot reproduce. He is dying. He might tell himself he protects the worlds, but all he did was product warships. He could have tried to reconstruc, he did nothing. In his point of view, the empire will die as he does.

And here comes the reincarnation/resurrection of the lawful heir, one who can give rebirth to the silver millennium.

Also, the crystal has been fairly been hinted as the proof of the throne. :shrugs:

Frankly, a minor officer has no ground to stand on, and while he should not be groveling at usagi's fic, he should realized that he is bluffing.

 

[Ordo]

He could have tried to reconstruc, he did nothing.

patrolled the Protectorate worlds and their colonies, somewhat expanded over the years,

So for the last 10,000 years while Usagi and the Senshi have been dead, Apollo has defended the colonies, protectorates and their people while expanding their sphere of influence. I'd say he's done more than just build ships.

Also, he can repair palaces, he can build ships, he can defend the realm and it's people. That's about it. Explain how he could rebuild the Kingdom, and I'm sure Drakensis will take it into consideration.

You didn't say anything about usagi being the heir ever being annulled.

The laws and the computers consider her dead. Normally people don't come back from death.

Also, What ground does this Mau stand on?

He is the lawful regent of the Kingdom. You make it sound like he's trying to take power. In the snippet he was considering looking for an heir to turn control over to. He is simply following the laws and ensuring that the Kingdom is defended.

 

[Vexarian]

You didn't say anything about usagi being the heir ever being annulled.

One more time:

Usagi the Heir to the Silver Millenium is dead, has been for thousands of years, with probably a corpse somewhere on the moon to prove it.

Usagi the Reincarnate can wave her crystal all she wants, it won't make her the heir again because the heir is dead for the law and the laws simply didn't take this situation into account.

Also, What ground does this Mau stand on?

He is the last menber of Silver Millennium he thinks, and cannot reproduce. He is dying. He might tell himself he protects the worlds, but all he did was product warships. He could have tried to reconstruc, he did nothing. In his point of view, the empire will die as he does.

And here comes the reincarnation/resurrection of the lawful heir, one who can give rebirth to the silver millennium.

Also, the crystal has been fairly been hinted as the proof of the throne. :shrugs:

Frankly, a minor officer has no ground to stand on, and while he should not be groveling at usagi's fic, he should realized that he is bluffing.

No amount of hemming, hawing and but-saying can change it. No amount of but-she-should-be or the-crystal-works-for-her matter because in all those hundreds of laws on succession they didn't include this situation.

You may feel that Apollo should recognize her as his queen, you may feel she has that right because of various reasons, but legally, and his computer seems to follow only legal orders, HE CANNOT.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Replace all uses of universe with galaxy.

Sailor Moon power levels are in the galaxy range not the universal range, There's a difference a massive difference, A mere galaxy is cosmically insignifficant, A universe on the other hand is somewhat important.

I was technically refuring to the outers but whatever i dont care anymore.

Actually last arc, earth was the last surviving planet. Galaxia and the anima-mates killed the rest of the universe off. She only waited to attack earth because she was worried about the Ginzuishou and Sailor Moon. Also Sailor Moon becomes Sailor Cosmos later on so universe is the correct term.

No amount of hemming, hawing and but-saying can change it. No amount of but-she-should-be or the-crystal-works-for-her matter because in all those hundreds of laws on succession they didn't include this situation.

You may feel that Apollo should recognize her as his queen, you may feel she has that right because of various reasons, but legally, and his computer seems to follow only legal orders, HE CANNOT.

I don't think it matters to Usagi if she's lawfully considered heir or not. She has the crystal and could just like in canon make a new kingdom in Crystal Tokyo. It's not like Apollo has the authority to take the Ginzuishou away from her.

 

[Vexarian]

I don't think it matters to Usagi if she's lawfully considered heir or not. She has the crystal and could just like in canon make a new kingdom in Crystal Tokyo. It's not like Apollo has the authority to take the Ginzuishou away from her.

Ah, might makes right then?

 

[Deleted member 5249]

I don't think it matters to Usagi if she's lawfully considered heir or not. She has the crystal and could just like in canon make a new kingdom in Crystal Tokyo. It's not like Apollo has the authority to take the Ginzuishou away from her.

Ah, might makes right then?

Um the senshi consider her princess, Elysion consider her princess, Kakyuu, Chaos Galaxia and every enemy who attacked earth all consider her Princess Serenity. So yeah, on a technicality she isn't ruler but do you really think that matters to her?


Um also just so it doesn't turn into a conversation of Evil Crystal Tokyo.

Act 19

"The lifespan of people in the Silver Millennium is about one thousand years. After adulthood is reached, the aging process is stopped. When Selenity was 22, she ascended to the throne and gave birth to the first princess. After that, she maintained the same figure. It's all because of the power of the Mystical Silver Crystal. I have also become a member of the Silver Millennium, and so have the same longevity. Crystal Tokyo, like the Silver Millennium, entered the age of long life when we ascended to the throne in the 21st century. Now most of the people on Earth enjoy long lives from the power of the crystal. We lived on Earth in peace. That is, for a time. Now Crystal Tokyo is in ruin. Only the Mystical Silver Crystal can save the world. But Neo-Queen Selenity is the only one who can use it, and she won't wake up. So there's nothing we can do..."

He turns and starts to walk away.

"King!" calls Minako. "Was it the Black Moon who did all this!? Who are they? Where are they now!? And what on earth is that black megalith?"

"Follow me."

He leads them to an operations room, with a bank of keypads and readouts below a huge monitor that reaches to the ceiling. He hits a button.

The monitor displays a view of space, focusing on a glowing black planet.

"What is that...?"

"Nemesis," the king says. "The tenth planet of the solar system."

"Tenth planet!?"

"We weren't able to calculate it's orbit, so we weren't sure of its existence. The mystical planet of darkness..."

"Planet of darkness..." thinks Usagi.

"From the area we estimate it's located, we've discovered a huge amount of negative energy being released. Because of that, we are certain it's there. For centuries before that, they sent criminals there in place of capital punishment. After a while, they stopped and left the planet alone. Then, Nemesis turned its eyes toward our huge energy. So we began to investigate the planet once again. We found that it had been taken over by the Black Moon."

"The Black Moon..."

"They are the descendants of traitors," says Diana. "Their warlike group rejects our society. They provoke disputes and slaughter their enemies. They built their headquarters on the planet of darkness, and then they came to attack Earth."

"Their real goal," says King Endymion, "is probably to defeat us, steal the Mystical Silver Crystal, and take this planet for their own."

Luna remembers the black monument they saw on their way to the palace. "Releasing negative energy... Artemis! That monument is the Evil Black Crystal!"

"The Evil Black Crystal!?" the king asks.

"The Black Moon used it as the source of their energy when they attacked," she says. "It carries negative power." She remembers the black earrings. "Even small stones of it have considerable strength. King! The Black Moon came right after Small Lady, looking for the Mystical Silver Crystal. Using their crystal, they're beginning to invade the earth of the past too. So is it in danger as well...?"

Act 20

"I'm glad you've come to the castle of the Black Moon on our planet Nemesis, Sailor Moon- no, the future Neo-Queen Selenity. That is a more suitable name for you. I am Prince Demand, of the Black Moon. I want to talk with you. Have a seat."

He motions with his hand and Usagi falls back onto a chair.

He sits on a stone pedestal. "My attack fully used the power of the Evil Black Crystal. You woke up quickly. As expected, your body is influenced by the Mystical Silver Crystal. But, this planet might be tough on that body."

"Oh no..." Usagi thinks. "This... is Nemesis?"

She looks at the man. "You're the one who attacked Crystal Tokyo! Demand!"

"Yes," he says. "I wanted to show you that the Mystical Silver Crystal isn't the only thing that carries immense strength. The fantasy world of long life and infinite power... Our planet Earth... We didn't like it."

Demand stands with Safir, Rubeus, and Esmeraude. They stare at the sparkling Crystal Palace.

The Wiseman appears.

"Young traitors," he says. "If you desire power, go to Nemesis. If you want to have everything... Get the Evil Black Crystal."

"We took the Evil Black Crystal and put it to use," Demand continues. "The planet turned into a planet of death. It had power far beyond our expectations. We were fed up with the influence of the Moon Kingdom. We wanted nothing to do with that Earth. We would create a new Earth. To the past, before the Moon Kingdom's influence started. We went to the past. We would rewrite history. That is our magnificent Replay operation. The recreation of history."

Usagi gasps. "The recreation of history!?"

"Long life and peace are deceptive. With the Mystical Silver Crystal, the people don't age. That's blasphemy toward god. Their bodies must die. We will repeat the fight of the past, and return to our correct history."

"You're crazy!" Usagi says. "Go to the past and start history over again!? That's insane!"

"All time and space is merely energy," says Demand. "The all-powerful planet of the Evil Black Crystal. If we control the still unknown power of the planet, and the crystal, we will be able to take all the planets, all the dimensions of the universe. That the Mystical Silver Crystal came first means nothing. This has a larger power. And that beautiful planet will be ours."

A large explosion blasts in the city of Crystal Tokyo. Toxic gas fills the air. People on the streets begin to choke. They fall to the ground, coughing. A young girl cries.

"You noisy brat!"

Two hands wrap around the girl's neck. The skin on her body dissolves.

The queen rushes out. "Small Lady!?"

"I saw her then. A woman like I couldn't even have dreamed of. She lived in the palace, and so I had never seen her before. An almighty goddess. Neo-Queen Selenity. Such a beautiful queen. But she despised me. She thought I wasn't even human. Her eyes rejected me."

Neo-Queen Selenity stares defiantly at Demand.

A mark on his forehead glows. A beam of light shoots at the queen.

She falls back, and is shielded in a mass of crystal.

"That was the first time I saw that terrible power. The power of the Mystical Silver Crystal. Then the queen was taken back into the palace. Since then, I haven't been able to forget those eyes. I wanted to meet her again, and make her kneel before me. And I got her. In any form, at last, I have her."

He approaches Usagi and holds her head. "Those eyes. The beautiful ruler of the beautiful planet, Neo-Queen Selenity."

That dystopia doesn't exist. The criminals were sent away to another planet to avoid captital punishment but they made nemesis hell on their own. There was no great ice age.

 

[Vexarian]

Um the senshi consider her princess, Elysion consider her princess,á Kakyuu, Chaos Galaxia and every enemy who attacked earth all consider her Princess Serenity. So yeah, on a technicality she isn't ruler but do you really think that matters to her?

Usagi is likely the only one who can claim the Moon as her country then even if she can not make it stick with the fleet. But Crystal Tokyo isn't established on the Moon, is it?

When you suggest she simply resurrects her kingdom because she has the crystal and nobody can do anything about it, are the people and government of Japan and the rest of the world asked for their opinion?

[edit] And assuming for the moment that she was elected queen for life of CT/Japan/Earth, that still would not matter to Apollo and the SM remnants. After all it would simply be a new kingdom on planet Earth, NOT the old Moon kingdom.

 

[bissek]

Are Luna and Artemis on the council of ministers? If so, as 67% of the presently serving members of the council (Counting Orion), they can choose a successor by voting as a block, as 2 out of 3 counts as a 60+% supermajority. Since the Regent isn't allowed to vote on that issue, its actually a 100% supermajority.

 

[Vexarian]

Are Luna and Artemis on the council of ministers? If so, as 67% of the presently serving members of the council (Counting Orion), they can choose a successor by voting as a block, as 2 out of 3 counts as a 60+% supermajority. Since the Regent isn't allowed to vote on that issue, its actually a 100% supermajority.

Were they advisors or ministers/secretaries?

The US national security advisor is not a member of the US cabinet, for example.

 

[Tom_Badgerlock]

have i missed something when reading?

I thought he was the last living menber of the silver millennium? if so, patrolling dead space doesn't constitute as doing anything.

Given that usage can resurrect people, i am not sure dying constitute adequate ground for stripping her of the title of heir.

Also, she *is* the same.

 

[Ordo]

have i missed something when reading?

I thought he was the last living menber of the silver millennium? if so, patrolling dead space doesn't constitute as doing anything.

Given that usage can resurrect people, i am not sure dying constitute adequate ground for stripping her of the title of heir.

Also, she *is* the same.

Yes you missed something, he specifically states that their are colonies and protectorates that still exist. These people were outside the range of the Crystals magical working. In other words, portions of the Kingdom have been getting along just fine for the last 10,000 years under Apollo's care.

Now no one is saying Usagi's rule leads to an Evil Empire future, ruled by a benevolent dictator. We are simply pointing out the problems involved with succession in the context of this story.

If Usagi wants to start her own Queendom, with the will of the people of earth behind her, that is fine. If that queendom ever wants to stretch it's influence beyond earth's atmosphere then they will have to negotiate some form of alliance with whatever governing body or individual is currently running the Old Silver Millennium.

 

[Vexarian]

If Usagi wants to start her own Queendom, with the will of the people of earth behind her, that is fine. If that queendom ever wants to stretch it's influence beyond earth's atmosphere then they will have to negotiate some form of alliance with whatever governing body or individual is currently running the Old Silver Millennium.

Because the laws of the old Silver Millenium do not automatically recognize Usagi as the heir to the old Silver Millenium, despite some here vociferously claiming they should.

And the laws are followed to the letter by the computers. You can try arguing with computers but from my experience they tend to do as programmed, no matter how flawed the programming.

Call it an 'oopsie' from the old queen. She didn't think of that when she wrote those laws and had the computers programmed to follow them.


It's not a big problem. If she wants to repopulate the moon, for example, she could probably 'lease' it for one yen a century, payed 1,000,000 years in advance, from the Regent.

But to take command of the fleet -- she'll have to work from within the laws, not simply say that Apollo should ignore those laws on her say so.

 

[Tom_Badgerlock]

ok...so there are colonies and protectorate with people in, but he didn't care to rebuild the senate and ministries etc?

He lets them be vassals, when there was *no one* to be vassals to?

isn't it slightly...dysfunctional?

Frankly, i don't really understand that Mau. I think i am missing something.

 

[Ordo]

The civilain government of the colonies was capable of running itself. What they needed was the military might of the Kingdom to prevent anyone else from taking them over. Apollo provided them with that safety. Somehow, with severly depleted forces, he staved off any invasion from unfriendly nations.

Apollo may have been playing one heck of a bluff for the past 10,000 years. If he publically announced that the Core worlds of the Kingdom were nearly devoid of life, and had no ruling body then the vultures would've swooped in and claimed what was left for themselves.

It's also just as possible that the laws do not cover the reconstruction of the Senate or the Ministries in such circumstances as these. The Power to govern has likely been transferred or had always been in the hands of the Civiliain governments of each Colonies/protectorates.

 

[Vexarian]

ok...so there are colonies and protectorate with people in, but he didn't care to rebuild the senate and ministries etc?

He lets them be vassals, when there was *no one* to be vassals to?

isn't it slightly...dysfunctional?

Frankly, i don't really understand that Mau. I think i am missing something.

Ministers required confirmation by the crown, who was dead with no legal succession.

Basically all above the local government level was killed off and couldn't be reconstituted. I'm sure the local levels have adapted to get by, but the fleet can't. They must follow those laws, it's literally in their programming.

You're missing the catch-22 Apollo's in. He knows its a ridiculous situation.

To get a new government the laws must be changed first. The laws can only be changed by the government. Which doesn't exist because those laws have not been changed ...

 

[Deleted member 5249]

What about Queen Serenity, she lived on in the Moon Kingdom's computer. Shouldn't the words of the Queen count for anything? Or have at least explained to Apollo what she did.

 

[Ordo]

Okay, at no point has Drakensis said anything about the previous Queen living on in the Computer System. I would imagine that if she were a ghost in the machine, she would've said something to Apollo long before now. However even if she is a ghost in the machine, it would appear she has little influence on the system. That combined with the fact that the system considers her dead is going to lend her arguments/order very little weight in the eyes of the machine.

Edit:

Personal note

This has been the most fun I've ever had debating anything from Sailor Moon, and I really want to thank the OP for posting such an interesting story and everyone else for their contriubutions to this discussion.

 

[tjalorak]

Questions:

1. Why does it even matter whether or not Usagi has control of the Fleet? She has enough power in her pinkie to make that matter moot, no? If, as others have said, Galaxia refrained from swooping in due to Usagi, as long as Usagi is alive and present on Earth, she doesn't necessarily need the Fleet to defend anything she cares to set up.

2. The Moon Kingdom as it previously existed is already dead, no? There's nothing living in the solar system. Can you even count that land as part of your kingdom if no one bothers to live there? If Usagi were to set up her own kingdom (i.e. Crystal Tokyo), why exactly can't she just take over all the empty land?

3. On a related question, while there are certainly some computers on the moon that deal with the Fleet and so forth, there are others that are specifically keyed to the Senshi. If there are significant number of infrastructure that are solely linked to the Senshi, wouldn't the Moon already count as part of whatever Usagi ends up deciding to do?

4. For that matter, if there are enough infrastructure in the entire solar system that are specifically keyed to the Senshi, why can't Usagi claim that anything related to the Senshi is theirs and if Apollo wants to use that infrastructure, he'll have to negotiate use agreements with whatever entity she sets up? It's as ridiculous as the current situation but no more ridiculous. Heck, maybe she can even throw in retroactive repayment of usage. 10,000 years of compound interest is a pretty scary force...

 

[Ordo]

2. The Moon Kingdom as it previously existed is already dead, no? There's nothing living in the solar system. Can you even count that land as part of your kingdom if no one bothers to live there? If Usagi were to set up her own kingdom (i.e. Crystal Tokyo), why exactly can't she just take over all the empty land?

The old Kingdom is still alive, though admittedly it's population is from the colonies and protectorates. The Land, the factors of production and other resources still belong to the old kingdom, and since they are needed to continue protecting it's people, Apollo's not going to just hand that over to a young Empire. Also the laws and the machines that run things might see Usagi 'taking' the land as an act of war. Apollo might not see it that way but now he has to convince some very literal machines of that fact.

3. On a related question, while there are certainly some computers on the moon that deal with the Fleet and so forth, there are others that are specifically keyed to the Senshi. If there are significant number of infrastructure that are solely linked to the Senshi, wouldn't the Moon already count as part of whatever Usagi ends up deciding to do?

Well there's the thing, for all we can tell any computers keyed to the Senshi are not linked to any significant number of the infrastructure. Since the Senshi are a seperate office, this makes since. After all why in the world would Sailor Venus need direct control over the mining bots, or why would mercury's computers need to control the utilities?

 

[Deleted member 5249]

I do wonder about the Power Guardians who solely exist to protect the castles. I doubt they'd let Apollo touch or try to take it away their princesses castle. Usagi is excused because she doesn't have one.

Act 41
Usagi reaches her arms to the sky, as the light shines above her.

The light spreads all around her. The sailor suits on the other soldiers vanish, replaced by dresses.

The three cats disappear from the command center, and appear with the others, all in human form.

"Small Lady!!" calls Diana.

"D- Diana!?" says Chibi-Usa.

Four miniature versions of the inner soldiers appear.

"Princess Mercury!"

"Princess Mars!"

"Princess Jupiter!"

"Princess Venus!"

They are held in spheres of light, and float into the hands of the soldiers.

"Princess!? You...!"

Four more small soldiers appear.

"Princess Uranus!"

"Princess Neptune!"

"Princess Pluto!"

"Princess Saturn! We are your sailor super guardians. You are the sailor princesses of the solar system!"

"Super sailor guardians!? The sailor princesses of the solar system!?"

"The time has come for the new change of the soldiers," says Saturn.

"Borrow power from the castles of your mother planets," says Uranus.

"Give your power to Sailor Moon's holy chalice!" says Venus.

In the light above Usagi, a new chalice appears.

"Look!" says Chibi-Usa. "The holy chalice...!!"

"The sign of our gathering... That we have always been searching for... The holy chalice...!"

"Everyone!" Usagi shouts. "Give me your power!"

"Mother planet, Mercury, Mariner Castle!"

"Mars, Phobos Deimos Castle!"

"Jupiter, Io Castle!"

"Venus, Magellan Castle!"

"My planet, Uranus, Miranda Castle!"

"My planet, Neptune, Triton Castle!"

"My planet, Pluto, Charon Castle!"

"My planet, Saturn, Titan Castle!"

"Crystal Palace of the 30th century! Send me power!"

"Send our power to the holy chalice!! Our power, all of it, here!!"

Act 45
The three outer soldiers descend to their castles, orbiting their respective planets.

"This brings back memories," Setsuna says. "The day has come that I've come again to Charon Castle. Slipping from this solar system, the ruler of the Silver Millennium, Queen Selenity, gave us at the time of our birth these castles."

A miniature version of herself appears in a ball of light.

"I have been waiting, Princess Pluto."

"Guardian Pluto," says Setsuna.

 

[Tom_Badgerlock]

Appolo'sa regent no? do why didn't he have the power, in thousands of years, to appoint anyone to do *anything*?

Hell, if the problems are the laws and computers, why didn't he slowly dismantled those (he used kamikaze actions with them before) and build new ones to then rebuild the kingdom with the protectorates and colonies?

He had ten thousands years or so...

 

[Ordo]

You want him to dismantle the very computers that are running what's left of the Empire? What makes you think he knows how or would even want to do that? Those Machines are running everything that is needed to continue protecting the colonies etc.

Also the regent is just a steward, he dosen't really have the power to alter the very nature of the Queendom.