Nasuverse The Blade of Highland

[GenocideHeart]

I blame this on reading this section's ideas right after playing Suikoden 2.

The idea that made me start the topic was - what if the Saber Shirou summoned wasn't Arturia, but Luca Blight?

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"You should feel honored, brat. The King of Highland is at your service. Well, until I get bored, that is. So it's in your best interest to keep me entertained..."

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I'm not sure if Shirou should be more worried about the other Servants trying to kill him, or his OWN Servant getting bored enough to decide it'd be fun to gut the closest human being... :rofl:

Yes, I realize that based on F/SN canon this is impossible, but fanfiction is about bending the rules, and frankly, the only way to make something work with F/SN is to break those rules completely, in general, as they are just too damn RIGID to work around them otherwise.

Anyway... discuss.

One thing to note is that prana is probably not going to be an issue. I don't see Luca hesitating in using questionable and rather bloody methods to take the prana he needs from the first few random humans he meets around the corner - if Gil could scrounge up enough from kids, Luca can certainly scrounge enough up from whoever.

What? It'd be a massacre? This's LUCA BLIGHT we're talking about. You think he cares about something minor like a few thousand humans being drawn and quartered?

 

[trevelyan1983]

Huh. He's Evil enough to make the Grail his bitch.

Noble Phantasm of Flamey Doom? Check.

Defence and Strength on par with Herakles? Check.

It won't help that Luca makes Gilgamesh look sane. And Shirou's Hero of Justice thing is gonna go down the toilet pretty damn quick, what with his Servant being "the true face of evil."

GH... you scare me sometimes. You really do. :lol:

 

[GenocideHeart]

GH... you scare me sometimes. You really do. :lol:

I aim for maximum trauma when devising my ideas. :snigger:

Besides, it WOULD be interesting. :snigger:

 

[Fatuous One]

Ah... but the problem is... as soon as Shirou realizes just how evil Luca is, he'd kill him without question. He is a Hero of Justice, after all.

And no, this isn't a problem for Shirou. All he needs to do is order Luca to kill himself, and as a Servant bound by a command seal, he'll no choice but to obey (All the Lancers seem to get off-ed in this way).

Also, no, I really doubt this is negotiable at all in terms of being in-character. Even if Shirou didn't have the survival instincts of a lemming, he'd go for it anyway given that the other choice is to work with an evil on par with anything he'd be fighting. :/

Either, a) Shirou threatens Luca with this to try to keep him under control and Luca kills him outright, or b) Shirou just goes straight for the kill, realizing just what an insane fellow he has as a Servant.

'though, if Luca has battle continuation, (and given how he NEVER FUCKING DIES, I can practically guarantee it), he'd probably still be able to last if he just stabbed himself in the heart, long enough to kill Shirou anyway.






<s>A more long lasting scenario would be if Rin summoned Luca.</s>

You know, on second thought, it probably wouldn't be. Despite her blustering, Rin is really just a big softy.

 

[GenocideHeart]

You have a good point, F1.

Of course, there IS also the detail that Shirou might not be ALLOWED to do that.

No, not by Luca. By Rin. While she IS a big softy, she also places more interest in Shirou's continued existence than she does in anyone else's, for the most part, and I could totally see her conking Shirou unconscious just as he's about to do something stupid like piss Luca off and let the Mad Prince mop the floor with whatever caused the latest commotion. :lol:

What can I say? Women tend to be more ruthless about keeping their love interests alive than men are. :snigger:

A pity, though... it'd have been a neat scenario.

Hell, I'm of the opinion that Luca is probably the only one who could be a Berserker and be in Mad Enhancement ALL THE FUCKING TIME without losing the ability to think... He's probably the only controlled berserker I've ever seen in RPGs - he's quite clearly insane and perpetually angry all the time, but he still retains more than enough rationality to do some really nasty things.

I'm even wondering if the Grail would count him as HUMAN at all...

 

[Cornuthaum]

The problem is: Luca hates the City-State of Jowston. Not some pretty-boy pansy-ass heroes (and let's face it: He'd laugh at every male Servant with the exception of Berserker and ogle every female servant until they get nervous.) He makes them cry, scream, beg, plead and then shreds them.

If anything, the Legendary Heroes are the closest thing to true entertainment for him - after all, how often is it that someone can go toe-to-toe with him and survive? (And yes, I'm pretty sure that almost every Servant can survive their first meeting, if damaged)

Furthermore: Luca, if anything, fits the Berserker so much better than the Saber class. That, and the added effect of berserker-ish looks (even bigger, swarthier and more hulking than he already is) would make the "merely" insane slaughtermachine into an all-consuming engine of destruction, because he'd look the insane part too, and that makes for a good psych impact.

Hm. Hmmh.

 

[trevelyan1983]

Using a sword doesn't, in itself, make one a Saber-class. So, from that point of view, Luca could easily be a Berserker - it's one of the classes he fits, and he's WTF!Psycho enough to qualify. He's also built like a fucking brick, even without the increased size. With it, he'd be terrifying.

Honestly, I just want to see him tell Kotomine to "sqeal like a pig!" Before his head separated from his neck permanantly. :sisi:

 

[Cornuthaum]

Unless he pisses off Luca very, very, very, very much, I doubt that he'd go to such extremes - Most of Luca's depthless sadism was because they were Jowston citizens - citizens of the city-alliance that was directly responsible for the repeated rape of his mother (which he had to watch.)


Of course, he IS an insane sadist, but I doubt he will go to these extremes to those who are not as deserving as the jowstoners.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Unless he pisses off Luca very, very, very, very much, I doubt that he'd go to such extremes - Most of Luca's depthless sadism was because they were Jowston citizens - citizens of the city-alliance that was directly responsible for the repeated rape of his mother (which he had to watch.)


Of course, he IS an insane sadist, but I doubt he will go to these extremes to those who are not as deserving as the jowstoners.

UNICORN BRIGADE MASSACRE.

That's all I'll say. And yes, it was Luca's idea.

 

[Cornuthaum]

And?

JOwston, Jowston, JOWSTON. It comes down to his obesssion with seeing the city-states going up in flames. And if the youth of the nation has to be sacrificed for that, I did say that he was insane. I just think that bottomless sadism would not be so prevalent if he were one of the Legendary "Heroes" (lol...)

 

[GenocideHeart]

And?

JOwston, Jowston, JOWSTON. It comes down to his obesssion with seeing the city-states going up in flames. And if the youth of the nation has to be sacrificed for that, I did say that he was insane. I just think that bottomless sadism would not be so prevalent if he were one of the Legendary "Heroes" (lol...)

Point.

Just hope that none of the other Masters/Servants remind him of someone from Jowston. Or worse, of his dad. If at all possible, he hated his dad MORE than Jowston, because he RAN AWAY like a bitch, leaving Luca to watch as his mother got raped.

I'm amazed that he actually cares for Jillia. I think that her resemblance to his mother overrides any memory of Jowston's crime that may be lingering in his mind...

 

[trevelyan1983]

Agares Blight... what a cowardly bastard. Possibly Jowy's finest moment, that - it was exceedingly badass.

"Oh, that funny flavour? Nothing important, your Majesty... just a lethal dose of poison with a slight hint of antivenom. Wonderful bouquet, don't you think?" ^_^

 

[Cornuthaum]

Just hope that none of the other Masters/Servants remind him of someone from Jowston. Or worse, of his dad. If at all possible, he hated his dad MORE than Jowston, because he RAN AWAY like a bitch, leaving Luca to watch as his mother got raped.

I'm looking at you, Mr. Mato...

 

[trevelyan1983]

Well if Matou Shinji gets ruthlessly slaughtered while being utterly humiliated, I'm all for it. :sisi:

 

[shout27]

OWNED. . . I just got the image of Shirou helping when they both find out. . .

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

Well if Matou Shinji gets ruthlessly slaughtered while being utterly humiliated, I'm all for it. :sisi:

Actually if Luca doesn't simply kill Shinji the first time they meet, he'll ironically probably be pretty safe from him. Not because he won't completely despise the bastard but because the potential of the boy... as a training tool for Shirou.

The existance of Archer shows that with the proper influences Shirou could become quite ruthless and then events in Heaven's Feel good ending show that he possesses a inhuman source of will power. Both of which Luca will be quite capable of noticing and depending on his mood might even feel like 'helping' Shirou get his wish of being a so-called "Hero of Justice"...

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I do have to wonder how Gil and he will interact given how the two of them seem to be two sides of the same coin in way.

 

[toraneko]

Was I the only one who imagined a scene like this when I saw the thread title?

When the light faded, a man was standing over Shirou.

"Hey, I asked you 'Are you my Master?'"

The man was wearing a beat-up and stained brown trench coat, his face looked like it hadn't seen a shaving razor in a few days, and his brown hair was a mess.

Is he a drunk hobo or something? Shirou wondered, trying to think of some way out of this situation. "Who are you?"

"I'm Saber, the Servant you just summoned."

"That's a weird name." Servant? What the hell?

The vagrant - Saber? - chuckled.

"That's not my name, kid. It's my title. Use your head."

Shirou, of course, was still clueless.

"Oh... kay... then, if that's not your name, then what is your name?"

The man suddenly got a far-off look in his eyes, as if reminiscing on something that happened long ago.

"I've had many names in my long life, and been many men. Adrian Montague. Jacques Lefeburt. Alfred Nicholson. David Carruthers. Rupert Wellingford. Russell Nash. But as for who I am originally..."

He suddenly lost his slouching posture, drew himself straighter, and as he spoke, his eyes began to look... older, for lack of a better word.

"I am Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod. I was born in 1518 in Glenfinnan, near the shores of Loch Shiel..."

 

[TerraBull]

A cool thought.

 

[ttestagr]

For about the three seconds it takes until Lancer kills him.



I must admit to being guilty of thinking of it too though.

 

[Garahs]

For about the three seconds it takes until Lancer kills him.



I must admit to being guilty of thinking of it too though.

And then he gets back up and Lancer is trying to figure out why he didn't die when he was ran through the heart.

 

[toraneko]

For about the three seconds it takes until Lancer kills him.

Noble Phantasm: The Immortal's Birthright - Victory Over Death.

Hey, if Berserker can h4x his way out of getting killed, someone who actually was immortal has to have something similar.

Arturia is proof that one doesn't necessarily have to die to become a Servant. Connor just might have wanted something bad enough that he would make a pact with the World.

What might he want bad enough, you may ask?

How about "Revenge against the man who killed many of his friends, including his mentor, raped his wife, and kidnapped his new love, yet who is so incredibly strong that it would take a miracle for Connor to win"?

 

[mswolfe17]

For about the three seconds it takes until Lancer kills him.

Hey, if Berserker can h4x his way out of getting killed, someone who actually was immortal has to have something similar.

Meh, well Berserker, what with his 9 (or was it 7) lives, is what a MMORPG player might call, an ultimate tank.

I'm picturing MacLeod trying to get Berserker to repeat "THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!", and Berserker is only capable of grunting.

But, doesn't it mention somewhere that the servant summoned is a reflection of the master? If that's true, wouldn't it be incredibly difficult to summon a very evil servant?

 

[toraneko]

Berserker had 12 lives, one for each of the Labors. And godly armor built into his skin. And it's implied that the lives regenerate over time. And the god-armor-skin can't be pierced by any spell or Noble Phantasm of less than Rank A. AND the skin also develops resistance to any attack it suffers.

H4X! H4X, I SAY! :lol:

The Servant being a reflection of the Master is only by way of the Servant's power being limited by what its Master can give. This affects the Servant's "stats" (in a D&D sense), with the most telling being the Luck stat (how well the Servant can cheat probability); for example, in UBW, all of Saber's stats were higher with Rin as her Master (since Shirou sucks at teh magic) except Luck, which dropped a rank or two.

Affecting the Servant's personality, I don't really think so. On the other hand, the Heroic Soul that gets summoned is usually one suited to the Master's personality. So while the Master's tendencies don't warp the Servants, they do affect which Servant they end up with in the first place.

Summoning an evil or monstrous Servant was initially impossible, until the Einzberns screwed up the Grail in the Third Heaven's Feel. Summoning an evil Servant isn't impossible after that, but evil ones tend not to be summoned anyway, since evil Servants would tend to go against their Master.

 

[mswolfe17]

Summoning an evil or monstrous Servant was initially impossible, until the Einzberns screwed up the Grail in the Third Heaven's Feel. Summoning an evil Servant isn't impossible after that, but evil ones tend not to be summoned anyway, since evil Servants would tend to go against their Master.

However, in a case like Shirou, who summoned Saber without even realizing it, would it be possible to summon an evil servant?

I wonder this because he could 'accidentally' summon damn near anyone, if you think about it. Hell, seeing as it's already been stated that the servants don't have to be dead to be summoned, why not someone like......

wait, crack idea coming on

Illya's servant is Ryoga, who could very easily be Berserker, and when she wants to take him anywhere, she simply dumps cold water on him.

For people who have mentioned Archer-ko here, Rin's servant would be Archer!Ranma including the curse. I know Ranma's been talked about as a servant before, I'm just thinking of the dialogues that such a concept could bring.

On the other hand, bringing Ranma in would call Rin's attention away from Shirou (as well as most of the other girls in FS/N likely) which is a bad thing in my book. Shirou really needs to get laid.

Karma demands it!

:hmm:

 

[trevelyan1983]

Hm. Personally, I'd hate to see Nasu's WIN contaminated with the Fail that is Rumiko Takahashi. And Archer specifically needs to continue in the style to which we've become accustomed - namely arrogant, cynical, slightly (or extremely, in Gil's case) maniacal assholes.

That aside, Luca Blight and Connor MacLeod still own in the Saber class.