Nasuverse the child of Shirou & Rin

Mereo Flere

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#26
Cherry_lover said:
daniel_gudman said:
Cherry_lover said:
Also, what about "aunt" Sakura? Any idea what happens to her here? She is still Rin's sister, after all, and I don't see Rin just forgetting about her, and nor do I see Rin not telling Shirou.
Maybe she's just not important enough to the story to bring up.
She's Rin's sister. I'd say that makes her pretty damn important....
To be frank, there are plenty of possible reasons why Sakura wouldn't be in the story. Maybe she doesn't live close by; she does sell the Matou estate in Hollow Ataraxia, after all, so she's not tied to that like Rin would be to Fuyuki. Maybe it's too painful to see her sister hook up with the man she loved. Maybe she's just busy, though in that case she'd probably drop by once in a while. However, just because you're related to someone by blood doesn't mean you're going to be important to a kid's life; not by itself.

Nonetheless...

While Sakura doesn't have to be important to the story, there are a lot of things you'd be missing out on. For one thing, that will reduce the amount of characters the Emisaka family can interact with from canon. Since quite a few of the major characters are servants that disappear, you can't rely on them to build a story. Sure, you can have OCs take their place - but there's more of a connection when you see a character from canon.

Sakura also has the advantage of knowing Rin and Shirou for a long time, allowing her to have a position where she can bring up some of the more embarrassing things that neither of the two would want to talk about to their kid; some of my favorite family stories are just hearing the hijinks my parents' generation got into.

Of course, if she's not married yet, you'd probably end up with a Sakura worrying about becoming an old maid - or, worse, other characters doing the worrying for her. It'd certainly be an amusing scene, for instance, to see Taiga telling her former student that she should hurry up and get hitched. Then again, if Zouken had never been taken care of, and she fulfills her role of becoming a breeding machine for the Matous... well, she might already have a kid of her own even out of wedlock.

Maybe even Shinji's.

...it'd be hard explaining that one to their kid, that's for sure.
 

Oni_kawaii

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#27
deviatesfish said:
This child will be perfectly normal. No magic circuits, no magecraft, not even abnormal. No special eyes, no vampire powers, nothing.

He will be a normal, Japanese high school student.
Go squib GO!

and so ended the Tohsaka bloodline through Rin unless she tries for baby #2 with someone else.
[extra Laughs if that doesn't work either]

Rin and Shirou's marriage comes to an end due to her attempts at continuing the blood line and Shirou walks the Path of Emyia
 

WizardOne

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#28
chronodekar said:
The child of Shirou and Rin
Would be the most average creature in existence.

Shirous competence with machines would counter Tohsaka's incomipence, average result.

Shirou's the worst Magi ever, Rin's a super good magi, average result.

Rin's terrible cook, Shirou's awesome cook, average result.

Shirou has no temper, Rin has a huge temper, average result.

Tohsaka looks like the perfect japanes girl, Shirou looks like a complete foreigner, Averare looks.

End Result: Average blob child. Uninteresting in every concievable way.
 

sigfried27

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#29
Rin's terrible cook, Shirou's awesome cook, average result.
Since when?

Rin is a good cook and cooks a good meal specifically for the purpose of showing Shirou up when she moves into the house. Between Sakura, Shirou and Rin, all are good cooks, though I think it was a bit of a triangle relationship of Shirou being the best at cooking Japanese food, Sakura the best at Western food, and Rin being the best at making Chinese food.

But there is never any point where they try to portray Rin as a terrible cook, dunno what you are trying to pull that from.
 

ttestagr

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#30
Rin's a very competent cook actually, better than Shirou in some dishes. Kid would be amazing in the kitchen.
 

WizardOne

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#31
sigfried27 said:
Rin's terrible cook, Shirou's awesome cook, average result.
Since when?

Rin is a good cook and cooks a good meal specifically for the purpose of showing Shirou up when she moves into the house. Between Sakura, Shirou and Rin, all are good cooks, though I think it was a bit of a triangle relationship of Shirou being the best at cooking Japanese food, Sakura the best at Western food, and Rin being the best at making Chinese food.

But there is never any point where they try to portray Rin as a terrible cook, dunno what you are trying to pull that from.
Are we sure thats not fanon? I remember reading about that in a Doujin, typical comic format, but I don't remember it in canon.

Probably just forgot, if so.
 

daniel_gudman

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#32
Ugh, there was a scene like during breakfast the 4th morning (maybe it was dinner that night or something) where Rin acts all smug after eating a meal Shirou prepared because she knows she can prepare better food... then she makes dinner the next night (I think) and Shirou's frustrated because he recognizes she's a better cook.

It's like their magecraft--Rin and Sakura simply have more aptitude; they're better than him despite practicing less.

This is an aside, but it also always struck me as kind of tone-deaf on Rin's part to rub Shirou's face in that; ditto Sakura trying to usurp the kitchen and do all the cooking (although she's got her own insecurities that excuse her this criticism). It's like, if you really want him to expand beyond his dream of being a hero, how about maybe not showing him up at his only other hobby? But then it's like, well, Rin's young, and that scene was before she even considered that stuff, to boot.
 

Avider

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#33
It's interesting, so do you remember where you got the idea that Rin is a bad cook?
 

Muramasa

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#34
Odd... I don't recall Rin being the better cook...

I recall Shirou making a half hearted dish that Rin knew she could beat. Shirou realized Rin was trying to one up him. It turned into a competition and then Shirou ended up doing most of the cooking throughout the Grail War.
 

zeebee1

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#35
Rin is a tsundere. They aren't supposed to be good cooks.
 

chronodekar

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#36
zeebee1 said:
Rin is a tsundere. They aren't supposed to be good cooks.
This is the most idiotic explanation I've seen yet! :wacko: I'm not sure on the triangle food relationship, but I consider Shirou to be the best cook of the three. And Rin to be above average material.

For that matter, we don't really have any bad cooks in FSN, do we? At least, I don't remember any.

The Sakura angle is interesting. I should think about it a bit more. Hmm.... <_<

Just another day and my exams will get over. After that, I'll try posting a snippet of what I have in mind. Let me see what happens then...

-chronodekar
 

trevelyan1983

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#37
As far as we know, Rin is best at Chinese food, Sakura at Western and Shirou at Japanese. Although Shirou says that Sakura is quickly approaching him in preparing Japanese food, too.

That's all from, what, the first five days of Fate?

Tiger can't cook worth shit, though. Makes an omelette with Flour in it, for Pete's sake.
 

zeebee1

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#38
I just explained the preconception. Tsunderes aren't supposed to be well versed in anything by tsun with a dash of dere.
 

chronodekar

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#39
zeebee1 said:
I just explained the preconception. Tsunderes aren't supposed to be well versed in anything by tsun with a dash of dere.
Being a Tsundere has nothing to do with lack of talent. Rather, they can be very well talented. What makes them Tsundere is that they are really bad at admitting they have no talent at certain skills. But, as far as their specialties are concerned, they can very well be at the top of their field.

At least, that's how I see them.

-chronodekar
 
#40
Assume that Rin and Shirou have been to the Clock Tower for a few years to expand their knowledge and skills. Give Shirou the experience of having done a few stints on Enforcer operations to gain some combat experience.

Do this and what Shirou could pass on would largely be practical knowledge but still useful, especially if the kid gets into conflict with whatever potential villain you have lined up.
 

Avider

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#41
zeebee1 said:
I just explained the preconception. Tsunderes aren't supposed to be well versed in anything by tsun with a dash of dere.
That's like, the worst conception of tsundere I've ever heard, and I've heard a lot.

It's not even useless, it's just wrong.
 

nick012000

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#43
chronodekar said:
For that matter, we don't really have any bad cooks in FSN, do we? At least, I don't remember any.
Towards the end of Fate, Saber tries to cook Shirou some eggs, and does so terribly that she's lucky she didn't give him food poisoning.
 

chronodekar

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#44
nick012000 said:
chronodekar said:
For that matter, we don't really have any bad cooks in FSN, do we? At least, I don't remember any.
Towards the end of Fate, Saber tries to cook Shirou some eggs, and does so terribly that she's lucky she didn't give him food poisoning.
nick! Good to see you here at last! :)

Hmm... I need to check back on FSN, but to her credit, Saber doesn't call herself a cook. Unlike SOME other Tsunderes.

-chronodekar
 

Deathwings

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#46
The Tiger Dojo after that one must have been exceptional. XD
 
#47
Deathwings said:
The Tiger Dojo after that one must have been exceptional. XD
Never saw that one, but I like to imagine that Taiga-Sensei didn't do much but look sheepish and mumble, "...Sorry."
 
#48
Anyway, post-UBW-route, Shirou is an apprentice in the Clocktower, mentored by Rin, in a school for proper magi.

With any justice in the world, Shirou will find a master Mystic Code artisan and learn how to make swords in the conventional fashion, with time and work and materials that actually exist.

See, Shirou knows how his Noble Phantasms were made, but he doesn't have the skills to use that knowledge. Neither does he have access to the materials or tools or workshops he would need.

But give him a master with those things, a master who can teach him the smaller, humbler steps below legends like "Gram", and he could become a very, very good Mystic Code craftsman.


This isn't the sort of thing that Shirou can pass down to his children in Rin's family crest (though his advanced Structural Grasp, Reinforcement and Alteration spells will help immensely). But it does mean that his children can inherit magical tools which AREN'T damned expensive one-use bombs which take 10 years to prepare.

Moreover, it provides a way for non-heir children to inherit skills and magical tools even if they don't get the Tohsaka Crest.

Plus, a master Mystic Code craftsman with a business partner (and wife) like Rin could accumulate his own workshop and stock of materials and liquid funds, which not only supports his wife, but also provides a material inheritace for their kids.

Not to mention the business contacts and favors that a magical-sword provider curries with his clientel.
 
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