The Force Awakens Spoiler Thread

Ordo

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[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mup7aH5LK_Y[/video]
This seemed relevant to the discussion...also....it seems The Doctor's latest incarnation is the Bendu.
 

atlas_hugged

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Ordo said:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mup7aH5LK_Y[/video]
This seemed relevant to the discussion...also....it seems The Doctor's latest incarnation is the Bendu.
I like the direction this is going.   For a while, I knew Lucas really liked the objective good/bad version of the force, but it seems disney is taking it into a shades of grey kind of direction.
 

da_fox2279

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Contrabardus said:
In relation to why Vader still had a body in Jedi after he died...

Obi-Wan explains that actually. According to him, more of his body is machine than man, so there would have been quite a bit of Vader left behind even if his organic parts did vanish.

There's also speculation that he may end up injured during the events in Rogue One and lose even more of his real body. Which explains the difference in the look of his suit and his mobility in Episode III and Rebels.

He could just be a head and maybe a few organs and partial limbs inside a mostly droid like shell by the time Jedi occurs. Something similar to Grevious in the prequels, but more advanced and human like.

It would also explain the difference in his movements between ANH and ESB. If he's injured and has a new suit that he hasn't yet adjusted to it would go a long way towards explaining his stiff movement and the slow pace of the lightsaber battle between him and his old master on the Death Star. If the rumors of his body being mostly destroyed and rebuilt are true, then it would be explained as him not being used to his new prosthetics yet and it having an impact on his mobility and speed.

Either way though, it does explain why there is enough of him left for Luke to carry his body away, and why there was enough of him left to burn rather than just a pile of clothes in Jedi.
In other words, Vader is reboot!Robocop. I like it.

Question remains: who/what would be deadly enough to injure Vader, though?
 

Contrabardus

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da_fox2279 said:
Rising Dragon said:
Yeah, that would do it. :)
Actually, in canon it probably wouldn't. It would never actually hit him as he'd just force wave it out of the way or bring it to a stop in front of him. That or just side step it and use the Force to shield himself from the blast.

It works there because of video game logic, but it's incredibly unlikely that would bring down Vader if someone tried it in the actual Star Wars universe.
 

Contrabardus

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There's an interesting theory I heard recently that Snoke is actually Mace Windu, and that Finn might be his grandson.

Finn is probably Force sensitive, but not at the same level as Rey or Kylo. There is some evidence in the film that he might be. I dunno that I buy the Snoke as Mace Windu part of it, but it does seem somewhat possible if you really think about it. He'd be old and scarred, and saw the Republic fall and Empire both rise and fall, something Snoke claims to have witnessed himself. Snoke is stark white, but so are Palpatine and Vader. There are reasons for that of course, and in Palpatine's case it's at least partially due to his exposure to his own Force Lightning, the same thing that brought down Windu after he lost his hand and threw him from the window.

Both Lucas and Sam Jackson also agree that he probably didn't die from that fall. No Jedi has died from a fall from any distance in any of the movies and Mace was alive and conscious when he was thrown from the window. It seems more likely than not that he survived.

Plus it is interesting that Kylo doesn't outright kill Finn despite how pissed off and injured he was. He seemed to deliberately not kill him even after he takes a blow to the shoulder. That's odd considering he had just killed his own father and when you factor in the origin of that table of ashes.

I think that at the least, whether the Mace Windu theory is true or not, that Finn is more important than the Force Awakens lets on and probably has ties to either Snoke or someone very important in the First Order.
 
IIRC the tie-in novels and other supplementary materials heavily imply someone else, someone from the Empire who was acknowledged by Palpatine himself, becomes Snoke. I forget the name, though.
 

da_fox2279

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Rising Dragon said:
IIRC the tie-in novels and other supplementary materials heavily imply someone else, someone from the Empire who was acknowledged by Palpatine himself, becomes Snoke. I forget the name, though.
Mara Jade? ;p
 
Nah, some Imperial officer, had some sort of relation to Jakku. 'cause everything in the trilogy has to be linked to Jakku for whatever bloody reason. Palpatine seemed to think him special, but as an officer he definitely wasn't a Sith.
 

Contrabardus

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da_fox2279 said:
Rising Dragon said:
IIRC the tie-in novels and other supplementary materials heavily imply someone else, someone from the Empire who was acknowledged by Palpatine himself, becomes Snoke.  I forget the name, though.
Mara Jade? ;p
I think that if they're going to write her in at all, that she'll have been killed, or at least seem to have died, when the new Jedi fell. If we see her at all, it will more than likely be in flashbacks to that time period.

We probably won't see her if she is in the new continuum until supplementary stuff dealing with that time period shows up later on if that is the case. That is, unless she survived and shows up later. She'll be older and a good guy if she does I think though, and probably will have broken up with Luke and have a relationship with him similar to Han and Liea in Force Awakens.

I suspect she might be Rey's mother if she's related to Luke, and that she probably died if that is the case. She might even be the one that left her on Jakku in order to protect her from what was happening.

Considering they made Thrawn official canon, it's not unlikely that she might be brought back in as well. Though I suspect she's either dead or in hiding.
 

atlas_hugged

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shiki said:
I am still hoping for Darth Binks.
That would make the Prequels+the Disney Trilogy the highest budget troll event in history that I know of.
 

shiki

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Huh.

So based on recent interviews with Ridley and Abrams, I think I'm aboard the whole Kenobi train.

I was with the Skywalker theory but now I've hopped on the Kenobi express. (Note: This MAY just be an extension of my hope for a Ewan Mcgregor Obi-wan Trilogy in the desert)
 

Ordo

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http://makingstarwars.net/2016/12/star-wars-episode-viiis-supreme-leader-snoke-master-of-puppets/

For Star Wars: Episode VIII it appears, at least in part, that Snoke will not be a character generated in a computer. Instead he will be a huge puppet around seven to eight feet tall, taking several people to operate and a man inside a suit to make him walk. Stylistically, it seems as if Snoke may be CGI generated for the holographic communication sequences, but when he has scenes in Episode VIII next to real flesh-and-blood humans like Kylo Ren he will be a practical puppet with facial features operated by the crew.
7-8 feet tall....I think that's within the realm of possibility for a human....(Robert Wadlow was 8ft 11 in if memory serves)...but an alien is just as likely.
 

Ordo

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[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NldHLju4ajw[/video]
 

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da_fox2279

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EDIT: Sorry, wrong thread.
 

Ordo

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Stop taunting me with that Idea Hamill!
 
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