The MGLN Franchise

Hoki

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jaredstar said:
Amaranth said:
If I fed a guy friend of mine a peanut because he was too busy playing PSVita, does that make it Yaoi?
depends do you fondle his chest
I guess you got to say "no homo" before doing that to your friend. In fact, just say "no homo" before you do anything that can be misinterpreted as a homoerotic gesture. That will tell your friend you're not into him or anything like that.

Subaru's actions on Teana are read as Lez Yay because she didn't say "no homo" first. This can also be said on the NanoFate relationship.
 

Amaranth

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Hoki said:
Amaranth said:
If I fed a guy friend of mine a peanut because he was too busy playing PSVita, does that make it Yaoi?
Why would you even want to feed your guy friend a peanut? He should get his own.
It was a bowl in my living room. We were waiting for some more friends to arrive so he took out his PS Vita while I caught up on PJO, he asked me for a peanut since he was busy with a Hearts R boss (judging from the music, Gardenia Core) and I took a peanut and he took it with his teeth and bite it. I chided him for almost biting my hand...

jaredstar said:
Amaranth said:
If I fed a guy friend of mine a peanut because he was too busy playing PSVita, does that make it Yaoi?
depends do you fondle his chest
No, but there is another male friend which I had to massage his back since the guy couldn't stand up. It took a couple of strikes for that.

Hoki said:
jaredstar said:
Amaranth said:
If I fed a guy friend of mine a peanut because he was too busy playing PSVita, does that make it Yaoi?
depends do you fondle his chest
I guess you got to say "no homo" before doing that to your friend. In fact, just say "no homo" before you do anything that can be misinterpreted as a homoerotic gesture. That will tell your friend you're not into him or anything like that.

Subaru's actions on Teana are read as Lez Yay because she didn't say "no homo" first. This can also be said on the NanoFate relationship.
Neither did I. We are Yuros. We rarely read into that sort of stuff...

Mr Coin00 said:
Girls are girls, we can those kind of skinship between girls even in a harem anime.
And given what I've heard about annoying reverse harems, so can guys...
 

Hoki

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Now continuing from where we left off...

Leidolf said:
Those movies were in-universe?
Yup. They were made to be some sort of TSAB propaganda or recruitment materials centered around Nanoha's early career, more specifically, her first two missions. There are special sound stages that feature the StrikerS cast being interviewed for the movie for their output and the Vivid cast even got to wear the costumes for the 2nd movie and I think the cast comments on the events on the movie as they are watching it in the Blue Ray version.

I don't think they'd release the details of the Saint's Cradle to the public. Otherwise they'd have to account for why the mad scientist was running loose, the fact that combat cyborgs were still a thing, and how one of their S-Rankers ended up being killed and turned into an Artificial Mage. It's much easier to say that 'there was a thing, and this woman's team stopped it because we told them to.'
Well of course they won't. The event is known to the public as the work of a terrorist group.

Zextrace said:
That only applies to those who haven't seen the movie. After seeing the movie, people can form their own opinion on who they prefer and who was the most memorable. Does that not apply to real life, as well?
This doesn't remove the fact that the movie is about the titular character, and whether one has watched it or not, the first logical description about it would be about the character whose name is in the title. That alone makes her more familiar than the rest of the cast. Even if you have watched the movies, the first description you would tell a person who hasn't is that its about a girl named Nanoha.

Nanoha stopped Fate, but Fate was not the interdimensional scare...That was Precia. The TSAB would have dealt with Precia on their own even if Nanoha wasn't around. What Nanoha did was save Fates life. Or at least converted her to the good side. The TSAB were standing idly by to stop Precia/Fate in the event Nanoha failed to win against Fate.
Let me tell you interesting pieces of information:

=The TSAB was completely unaware of the jewel seed situation at first because nobody reported it. What drew them to Earth is what they thought to be a minor dimensional quake (caused by Nanoha and Fate's clash over a jewel seed), and since the Arthra was the nearest and then available ship that time, they were the ones who came to check it out. It was Yuuno who gave them the rundown on the situation, which Lindy decided to take over from there. So no, if the dimensional quake didn't happen, the TSAB would've not been involved in the jewel seed incident at all.

=Even if the TSAB had been involved earlier, they would've treated Fate as the primary suspect responsible for collecting dangerous lost logia, as she will not likely tell anyone that her mom needs them. Even if they manage to get that out of her, they would not be able to make her tell where Precia is.

=Nanoha's involvement in the incident is not just saving Fate, she also served as a helpful combat asset, as Lindy determined it would be better to make use of her abilities to capture the rest of the Jewel seeds and leave Chrono in reserve in case a more serious situation arose. She was also kinda responsible for Arf's confession, as Arf determined her concern for Fate was genuine. That final fight with Fate over all of the jewel seeds is a very good xanatos gambit as whoever won that fight, the result would favor the TSAB as any result would allow them to locate where Precia is. who thought of that? Nanoha did. So yeah, the TSAB was standing idly by during their climatic duel, because they were supposed to. Once they located Precia's lair, they wasted no time in getting there. Even there, Nanoha played an important part, namely shutting down the Garden of Time's engine room.

Nanoha didn't stop Reinforce, she fought her, but she didn't stop her. It was a joint effort. Especially in the movie...Because Nanoha was toast if not for Fates last second appearance. Also after the book mutated into that monster, it was everyone s ultimate attack that brought it down (paired with the Asura's strongest attack)
She may not have won, but she sure put up one hell of a fight against somebody that is leagues more powerful than she is. That counts as awesome. If you think about it, the hero of that operation was Yuuno, as it was his research that led to the destruction of the B.o.D.

Also, I highly doubt the events that happened during Nanoha and Fates childhood are what gave them their fame. They were very young and most midchildans are unlikely to know it even happened. It didn't take place on mid childa, after all. And the aces were already famous before the movies came out.
Nanoha became famous in the bureau specifically because of her involvement in the two cases. She played a big part in the resolution of those big cases, and since the details of these were classified back then, it eventually became a rumor within the TSAB academy that she solved them herself as a rookie mage (this was according to Subaru, the rumor even stating that she destroyed an indestructible weapon, probably referring to the B.o.D.) The movies were made in such a way that it portrays Nanoha's exploits that time in the most awesome way possible while removing or changing certain information, like Precia being more sympathetic in the first movie and the involvement of Admiral Graham and the Lieze twins in the second.

Hayate was the head of the team...but Nanoha stopped Vivio/Quattro while Fate stopped Jail/three other numbers. If Hayate was given credit for being their commander, then surely Fate and Nanoha were given just as much in being the two vital enforcers who stopped the villains controlling the cradle.
In real life, people rarely remember the people who were part of a certain event, except those who actually took part in it. This is most evident in highly publicized events, where only the central figures of the incident are mentioned. Historically speaking, this also holds true to major battles or wars. Ordinary people rarely remember the individuals who participated in the battle, but they will remember the guy who led the troops. Hayate falls under this category, as while Nanoha and Fate's names might be mentioned somewhere in the story, the entire operation still was under Hayate's command, thus she gets most of the credit for it.

Speaking of the movies, with so much explosions and exaggerated renditions of the attacks, it makes you wonder if the things were directed by Mid-Childa's Michael Bay.
 
She may not have won, but she sure put up one hell of a fight against somebody that is leagues more powerful than she is.
Which reminds me, did Reinforce fight with her full power and with intention of "annihilation"?

since the details of these were classified back then, it eventually became a rumor within the TSAB academy
TSAB did a bad job when it comes to hiding secrets...

The movies were made in such a way that it portrays Nanoha's exploits that time in the most awesome way possible
I guess they hoping that this film would produce more mages that if not powerful as Nanoha, at least nearly achieving her level...

while removing or changing certain information, like Precia being more sympathetic in the first movie and the involvement of Admiral Graham and the Lieze twins in the second.
I get the reason why the involvement of Admiral Graham and the Lieze twins were removed but why make Precia more sympathetic?

If this film was released in Public, wouldn't it totally tell the public that Hayate was innocent in the BoD incident?
 

Zextrace

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Too much text and I don't feel like getting into a long-winded debate, so I'll just comment on this.

Hoki said:
Even if you have watched the movies, the first description you would tell a person who hasn't is that its about a girl named Nanoha.


No, I wouldn't. Why bother telling a person about the series if that's the best description you can come up with. Without seeing the series "Nanoha" is just a name. And that doesn't tell me what the series is about. The best descriptions are the ones where you don't give a name, as they don't mean anything to someone who hasn't watched the series. Also, if you're trying to get someone to watch the series, you should be telling them what makes the series worth watching.

Besides, while Nanoha gets most of the main fights because she's the titular character, I never thought the movies were about her. In both the first and second season, she mostly just fights stuff. The first movie was Fates story as she had all of the development, and the same applies to Hayate and the Knights in A's. StrikerS was more of a mixed bag. And Vivid is Einhart/Vivio's story. But again, Einhart has most of the developmental focus.

Lyrical Nanoha, Haruhi Suzumiya, Madoka Magica...All have characters that are more popular than the title character. It's not uncommon. They often times even get adaptations that truly make them the main characters. The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya, The Madoka Magica rebellion movie. To Love-Ru Darkness gives Yami a lot more screentime...And so on.
 

Amaranth

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Zextrace said:
Too much text and I don't feel like getting into a long-winded debate, so I'll just comment on this.

Hoki said:
Even if you have watched the movies, the first description you would tell a person who hasn't is that its about a girl named Nanoha.


No, I wouldn't. Why bother telling a person about the series if that's the best description you can come up with. Without seeing the series "Nanoha" is just a name. And that doesn't tell me what the series is about. The best descriptions are the ones where you don't give a name, as they don't mean anything to someone who hasn't watched the series. Also, if you're trying to get someone to watch the series, you should be telling them what makes the series worth watching.

Besides, while Nanoha gets most of the main fights because she's the titular character, I never thought the movies were about her. In both the first and second season, she mostly just fights stuff. The first movie was Fates story as she had all of the development, and the same applies to Hayate and the Knights in A's. StrikerS was more of a mixed bag. And Vivid is Einhart/Vivio's story. But again, Einhart has most of the developmental focus.

Lyrical Nanoha, Haruhi Suzumiya, Madoka Magica...All have characters that are more popular than the title character. It's not uncommon. They often times even get adaptations that truly make them the main characters. The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya, The Madoka Magica rebellion movie. To Love-Ru Darkness gives Yami a lot more screentime...And so on.
Speaking of which, wasn't she a Fate clone?
 

Zextrace

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Amaranth said:
Speaking of which, wasn't she a Fate clone?
She has a resemblance to Fate, but she's an Eve clone. Quite literally.

Eve
http://www.deviantart.com/morelikethis/162651923/fanart/wallpaper/movies?view_mode=2#skins

Yami
http://es.super-once-tv.wikia.com/wiki/Archivo:Yami-chan.jpg
 

Hoki

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Zextrace said:
Too much text and I don't feel like getting into a long-winded debate, so I'll just comment on this.

Hoki said:
Even if you have watched the movies, the first description you would tell a person who hasn't is that its about a girl named Nanoha.


No, I wouldn't. Why bother telling a person about the series if that's the best description you can come up with. Without seeing the series "Nanoha" is just a name. And that doesn't tell me what the series is about.The best descriptions are the ones where you don't give a name, as they don't mean anything to someone who hasn't watched the series.
Seriously? You don't even guess what a work you haven't seen is about by just looking at the title, especially if the title contains a name on it? I find that hard to believe.

Also. I didn't say it was the best description, I said it was the first and it will also be the simplest. Also, the question is "What's it about?" which technically would be answered by "It's about a Magical Girl named Nanoha." Sure, it's not the most detailed answer, but it is the correct one. Besides, unless the title of a work is vague (Bleach), misleading (Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt), unclear (Durarara), or downright irrelevant (Lucky Star) titles with names on them are pretty straightforward about who or what they are about. And yes, a description with a name on it will mean something to someone who hasn't seen a work before, because it gives them an idea of who or what to expect in the work itself. Seriously, don't tell me you don't look for the character whose name is plastered in the title or expect the setting of the story to happen in the place which the work is named after.

Also, if you're trying to get someone to watch the series, you should be telling them what makes the series worth watching.
If they're interested in learning more about the series from the simplistic description I've given them, only then will I tell them why it's worth watching. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother.


Lyrical Nanoha, Haruhi Suzumiya, Madoka Magica...All have characters that are more popular than the title character. It's not uncommon. They often times even get adaptations that truly make them the main characters. The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya, The Madoka Magica rebellion movie. To Love-Ru Darkness gives Yami a lot more screentime...And so on.
Most of the time, the plot of the story with a titular character is something about that character. Sure, other characters may become more popular than the titular character, but the story does not center on them. Lyrical Nanoha is about Nanoha's life. Madoka Magica centers around Madoka Kaname, and Haruhi Suzumiya is about people's efforts to keep Haruhi from knowing she's a god/temporal anomaly/time distortion thing/Cthulu.

Anyway, before the topic gets too out of hand, the fact that the TSAB decided to make a movie about Nanoha and not Fate proves that they want to capitalize on Nanoha's fame in the bureau and extend it to the civilian populace.
 

Zextrace

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Hoki said:
Seriously? You don't even guess what a work you haven't seen is about by just looking at the title, especially if the title contains a name on it? I find that hard to believe.
I don't watch a series without knowing what it's about. Telling me it's a magical girl series gives me an idea of what it's about. Telling me it's about a girl named Nanoha? That tells me nothing about the plot or the genre. It certainly doesn't give me an idea of whether or not I might enjoy watching it. No one is going to care about who Nanoha is until they see the series and form their own opinion of her.

Also. I didn't say it was the best description, I said it was the first and it will also be the simplest. Also, the question is "What's it about?" which technically would be answered by "It's about a Magical Girl named Nanoha."
You're not going to convince many people to watch a series with that description.

And yes, a description with a name on it will mean something to someone who hasn't seen a work before, because it gives them an idea of who or what to expect in the work itself.
Why does someone who hasn't watched the series need an idea of who to expect? Describing Nanoha will give them an idea if they might like the character. But telling them a character named Nanoha appears...What does that mean to them? They may end up hating Nanoha with a passion or loving her. You haven't given them anything to form an opinion on. Telling them she's a 9 year old loli with a hefty amount of firepower...That might convince them to watch the series if lolis and explosions are their kind of thing.

Seriously, don't tell me you don't look for the character whose name is plastered in the title or expect the setting of the story to happen in the place which the work is named after.
I don't. I look for characters that have traits I find appealing, and then I watch the series they appear in. I saw Fate on a poster 10 long years ago, and read more about her. This later convinced me to watch the series, and I was not disappointed. I expect them to appear, but I don't care if they do, nor do I expect them to be the most important character.


If they're interested in learning more about the series from the simplistic description I've given them, only then will I tell them why it's worth watching. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother.
With your simplistic description, you haven't told them anything important. Well, beyond that it's a magical girl series. Which is sometimes enough. But that's not going to sell the series to someone unless they're an avid Magical Girl fan.


Most of the time, the plot of the story with a titular character is something about that character. Sure, other characters may become more popular than the titular character, but the story does not center on them. Lyrical Nanoha is about Nanoha's life. Madoka Magica centers around Madoka Kaname, and Haruhi Suzumiya is about people's efforts to keep Haruhi from knowing she's a god/temporal anomaly/time distortion thing/Cthulu.
The rebellion movies centers around Homura. In Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya....Kyon plays the largest role. He's even acts as a narrator. Yuki Nagato stars in disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.

I don't agree that Lyrical Nanoha is about Nanoha's life, the series is a more accurate representation of Nanohas fights. We know more about Fates life than Nanoha's. Needless to say, Nanoha Vivid is definitely about Einhart and Vivio.


Anyway, before the topic gets too out of hand, the fact that the TSAB decided to make a movie about Nanoha and not Fate proves that they want to capitalize on Nanoha's fame in the bureau and extend it to the civilian populace.
That's sketchy reasoning at best, and you know it. The movies are a remake before anything else. They can't change the core title of a remake, even if they wanted to. I'm sure Tsuzuki is having some fun with the whole "movies were made in-universe" but he's not going to change the title just to make it seem more convincing.
 

Hoki

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Zextrace said:
Hoki said:
Seriously? You don't even guess what a work you haven't seen is about by just looking at the title, especially if the title contains a name on it? I find that hard to believe.
I don't watch a series without knowing what it's about. Telling me it's a magical girl series gives me an idea of what it's about. Telling me it's about a girl named Nanoha? That tells me nothing about the plot or the genre. It certainly doesn't give me an idea of whether or not I might enjoy watching it. No one is going to care about who Nanoha is until they see the series and form their own opinion of her.
I was commenting on the idea of you not guessing what a work is about solely based on its title, especially if the title has a name on it. Like y'know, "Naruto" being about a person named Naruto without anyone actually telling you its about a person named Naruto. Because that is just strange, to be honest.
Also. I didn't say it was the best description, I said it was the first and it will also be the simplest. Also, the question is "What's it about?" which technically would be answered by "It's about a Magical Girl named Nanoha."
You're not going to convince many people to watch a series with that description.
I don't go around trying to convince people to watch the shows I watch. If they ask me what it's about, I answer them in the most straightforward way possible. Whether or not they would want to learn more about it is entirely up to them.

Why does someone who hasn't watched the series need an idea of who to expect? Describing Nanoha will give them an idea if they might like the character. But telling them a character named Nanoha appears...What does that mean to them? They may end up hating Nanoha with a passion or loving her. You haven't given them anything to form an opinion on. Telling them she's a 9 year old loli with a hefty amount of firepower...That might convince them to watch the series if lolis and explosions are their kind of thing.

Seriously, don't tell me you don't look for the character whose name is plastered in the title or expect the setting of the story to happen in the place which the work is named after.
I don't. I look for characters that have traits I find appealing, and then I watch the series they appear in. I saw Fate on a poster 10 long years ago, and read more about her. This later convinced me to watch the series, and I was not disappointed. I expect them to appear, but I don't care if they do, nor do I expect them to be the most important character.
Were you surprised that a character named Nanoha actually appeared when you first watched the show? Did you consider it a plot twist that she became a magical girl? If you answered no, then you were expecting

Do you know why some people don't watch the series? It has a "magical girl" in its title. To them "magical girl" automatically evokes images of series like Sailor Moon or Card captor Sakura, meaning girls wearing cute outfits fighting monsters of the week, whose intended audience are little girls. That's how titles give people expectations; it gives them an idea of what to look forward to in a work, and since most people already have an opinion about certain things, it makes it either easier or harder to convince them about how good a show is. This is why I only tell them the very basic premise of the show, because more often than not, they've already decided on whether or not to take a look at it simply by looking at its title. Again, if they think it's worth looking at and want my opinion about it, only then will I educate them on the finer points of the show.

The rebellion movies centers around Homura. In Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya....Kyon plays the largest role. He's even acts as a narrator. Yuki Nagato stars in disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.

I don't agree that Lyrical Nanoha is about Nanoha's life, the series is a more accurate representation of Nanohas fights. We know more about Fates life than Nanoha's. Needless to say, Nanoha Vivid is definitely about Einhart and Vivio.



Anyway, before the topic gets too out of hand, the fact that the TSAB decided to make a movie about Nanoha and not Fate proves that they want to capitalize on Nanoha's fame in the bureau and extend it to the civilian populace.
That's sketchy reasoning at best, and you know it. The movies are a remake before anything else. They can't change the core title of a remake, even if they wanted to. I'm sure Tsuzuki is having some fun with the whole "movies were made in-universe" but he's not going to change the title just to make it seem more convincing.
 

Akiyoshi

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The way I see things Zextrace have a very toughtful approach to new works and doesn't let himself be guided just by simple information but I think that way of looking at a new series is more of an exception than the norm.

Most people react to new stuff the way Hoki describes. When people see the name of a character in the title it instantly set up expectations for them. Sure, they don't know said character nor they had form any opinion yet but the title already tells them to expect said character to have some significance in the story, be as protegonist or as an artifact. Kyon may have the main POV and Nagato stars Dissapearance but Haruhi is a very important figure regardless. Yuuji is the true star of Shakugan no Shana but his encounter with the title heroine and her exploits are very important and set up the plot. The same way Nanoha while not being as fleshed out as her co-stars plays a heavy roll in the story and her character is defined more by her actions rather than her backstory. The way the story and the TSAB portray her achievements and attitude make her look larger than life. Fate is a character you relate with while Nanoha is more of a symbol you look up to.

Presence wise Nanoha is TSAB's Captain America.
 

Hoki

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I was going to reply to Zextrace's post but my browser crashed, and since I'm too lazy to think it up again, I'll just drop it there. Although I do have to comment on his remark about not setting expectations for himself when it comes to the titles of works, which to me is strange. Everyone has preconceived notions about things and titles mostly set up people on what to expect within the work itself. Like what Aki said, titular characters may not be the central characters, but they are in some way related to the story itself. Exceptions do exist of course, Bleach and One Piece being great examples.
 

Zextrace

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Akiyoshi said:
The way I see things Zextrace have a very toughtful approach to new works and doesn't let himself be guided just by simple information but I think that way of looking at a new series is more of an exception than the norm.
There is a lot of bad anime out there. Watching something without researching it first is setting you up for a bad time.

Most people react to new stuff the way Hoki describes. When people see the name of a character in the title it instantly set up expectations for them. Sure, they don't know said character nor they had form any opinion yet but the title already tells them to expect said character to have some significance in the story, be as protegonist or as an artifact. Kyon may have the main POV and Nagato stars Dissapearance but Haruhi is a very important figure regardless. Yuuji is the true star of Shakugan no Shana but his encounter with the title heroine and her exploits are very important and set up the plot. The same way Nanoha while not being as fleshed out as her co-stars plays a heavy roll in the story and her character is defined more by her actions rather than her backstory. The way the story and the TSAB portray her achievements and attitude make her look larger than life. Fate is a character you relate with while Nanoha is more of a symbol you look up to.
Some significance, yes. But significance doesn't always correlate to the most important entity of the series. But my point was that without first researching the character, someone isn't going to be more familiar with a character just because they appear on the title. It's just a name. If an image of Yuki and Haruhi were put side by side, and people who only heard of the title they appeared in were asked to vote on which character they prefer...Would most pick Haruhi simply because her name is on the title? They wouldn't even know which was was Haruhi in the first place. Their looks are what they're most likely to base their vote on, because that is the only defining factor they have to go on with the information they have.

Hoki said:
I was going to reply to Zextrace's post but my browser crashed, and since I'm too lazy to think it up again, I'll just drop it there. Although I do have to comment on his remark about not setting expectations for himself when it comes to the titles of works, which to me is strange. Everyone has preconceived notions about things and titles mostly set up people on what to expect within the work itself. Like what Aki said, titular characters may not be the central characters, but they are in some way related to the story itself. Exceptions do exist of course, Bleach and One Piece being great examples.
I expect the title of a series to have at least some significance, but I have no reason to be disappointed if it doesn't. The synopsis is going to tell me more about a series than the title.

One piece? That's the name of the treasure Luffy and crew have been after since the beginning.
 

Hoki

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Zextrace said:
Akiyoshi said:
The way I see things Zextrace have a very toughtful approach to new works and doesn't let himself be guided just by simple information but I think that way of looking at a new series is more of an exception than the norm.
There is a lot of bad anime out there. Watching something without researching it first is setting you up for a bad time.

Most people react to new stuff the way Hoki describes. When people see the name of a character in the title it instantly set up expectations for them. Sure, they don't know said character nor they had form any opinion yet but the title already tells them to expect said character to have some significance in the story, be as protegonist or as an artifact. Kyon may have the main POV and Nagato stars Dissapearance but Haruhi is a very important figure regardless. Yuuji is the true star of Shakugan no Shana but his encounter with the title heroine and her exploits are very important and set up the plot. The same way Nanoha while not being as fleshed out as her co-stars plays a heavy roll in the story and her character is defined more by her actions rather than her backstory. The way the story and the TSAB portray her achievements and attitude make her look larger than life. Fate is a character you relate with while Nanoha is more of a symbol you look up to.
Some significance, yes. But significance doesn't always correlate to the most important entity of the series. But my point was that without first researching the character, someone isn't going to be more familiar with a character just because they appear on the title. It's just a name. If an image of Yuki and Haruhi were put side by side, and people who only heard of the title they appeared in were asked to vote on which character they prefer...Would most pick Haruhi simply because her name is on the title? They wouldn't even know which was was Haruhi in the first place. Their looks are what they're most likely to base their vote on, because that is the only defining factor they have to go on with the information they have.

Hoki said:
I was going to reply to Zextrace's post but my browser crashed, and since I'm too lazy to think it up again, I'll just drop it there. Although I do have to comment on his remark about not setting expectations for himself when it comes to the titles of works, which to me is strange. Everyone has preconceived notions about things and titles mostly set up people on what to expect within the work itself. Like what Aki said, titular characters may not be the central characters, but they are in some way related to the story itself. Exceptions do exist of course, Bleach and One Piece being great examples.
I expect the title of a series to have at least some significance, but I have no reason to be disappointed if it doesn't. The synopsis is going to tell me more about a series than the title.

One piece? That's the name of the treasure Luffy and crew have been after since the beginning.
One would know that if they read the first few pages of the manga, or the synopsis. Otherwise, it looks like its about swimwear, especially with the ocean theme that's prevalent in the manga.
 
Hoki said:
One would know that if they read the first few pages of the manga, or the synopsis. Otherwise, it looks like its about swimwear, especially with the ocean theme that's prevalent in the manga.
You never read To Aru Majutsu No Index then...
 

Akiyoshi

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Well, there are a lot of factors. I got curious about Nanoha when I saw her in a fan art with Sakura from CCS. Also because her name was pretty unusual. It may look simple but a catchy title can help a series get picked up at least by curiosity when someone is seeking something to watch in a vast sea of options.
 

Amaranth

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Akiyoshi said:
Well, there are a lot of factors. I got curious about Nanoha when I saw her in a fan art with Sakura from CCS. Also because her name was pretty unusual. It may look simple but a catchy title can help a series get picked up at least by curiosity when someone is seeking something to watch in a vast sea of options.
Am I the only one who boarded the Nanoha ship because of the Hucks?
 

Akiyoshi

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I'm quite amazed someone get into the franchise through FORCE of all things. But yeah, the Hucks raised some curiosity during their time. No one seems to talk about them nowadays.

I can only imagine newcomers reading FORCE and wondering who are these sort of prominent team of heroes that keep getting their asses kicked by the Huckebein.
 

Hoki

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@Van: Nope

@Amaranth: Yes, yes you are.

@Aki: Nobody talks about Force nowadays because it's stuck in "indefinite hiatus." Only Kaiser knows whether or not it will be brought back. Vivid is now more than 60 chapters, I believe. and there's Innocent too, which is still going on I think. Force has a lot of catching up to do.

The befriending meme and "Magical Girl RX-78-2" are what drew me into the franchise
 

Zextrace

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Akiyoshi said:
It may look simple but a catchy title can help a series get picked up at least by curiosity when someone is seeking something to watch in a vast sea of options.
So you will pick up a series that you only saw the title of without knowing anything about it? A catchy title can still turn out to be a festering pile of wasted time.

To me I need atleast a good understanding and interest in one or more of these things: Animation/Characters/Story premise (if there is one). Watching the trailer is also immensely helpful.

Otherwise, I may as well write a bunch of anime names on pieces of scrap paper and put them in a box so that I can pick from them randomly. There is a lot of good anime out there, there is even more bad anime. Why waste your time watching something that you hate simply because you went into the series blind?

Of course, you can just watch anime with high ratings, that's usually going to save you from watching anime you dislike most of the time. But you still run the risk of watching a genre you don't like.
 

Hoki

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Zextrace said:
Akiyoshi said:
It may look simple but a catchy title can help a series get picked up at least by curiosity when someone is seeking something to watch in a vast sea of options.
So you will pick up a series that you only saw the title of without knowing anything about it? A catchy title can still turn out to be a festering pile of wasted time.

To me I need atleast a good understanding and interest in one or more of these things: Animation/Characters/Story premise (if there is one). Watching the trailer is also immensely helpful.

Otherwise, I may as well write a bunch of anime names on pieces of scrap paper and put them in a box so that I can pick from them randomly. There is a lot of good anime out there, there is even more bad anime. Why waste your time watching something that you hate simply because you went into the series blind?

Of course, you can just watch anime with high ratings, that's usually going to save you from watching anime you dislike most of the time. But you still run the risk of watching a genre you don't like.
Aki does have a point, catchy titles do help.

Besides, you're not obligated to finish a bad anime anyway.
 

Zextrace

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You're not, but it's a lot of wasted time if you constantly drop anime because you didn't at least take the time to read the synopsis first.
 
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