Naruto The Narutoversity

Knyght

The Collector
I suppose the best way to overcome CB is to cause so much damage that the body shuts down before it can heal a lethal injury, cause a specific type of lethal damage that'd do the same (i.e. aim for the head) or cause so many injuries they either run out of chakra or out of their lifespan.
 
I'd say the best way is the total removal of vital organs.

Like, it CAN regrow a heart, but it still needs a minimum amount of heart cells for it to work.
 
Rasenshuruken deal a lot of SMALL damages.
It doesn't seem the right choice t use against CR.


Dust Release, otherwise...
 

AoMythology

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ankokudaishogun said:
Rasenshuruken deal a lot of SMALL damages.
It doesn't seem the right choice t use against CR.


Dust Release, otherwise...
It deals them quickly, though. Remember the eradication of Pain's (Human?) Path?
 

Knyght

The Collector
Actually, 50% Rasenshuriken seems like a pretty ideal weapon seeing as it attacks the entire body at a cellular level and severs the entire pathway system. Even if CR (why have I been calling it CB?!) can heal that kind of damage - ordinary medical ninjutsu can't - it means regenerating every single cell afterwards.

100% Rasenshuriken is just straight up disintegration assuming the victim isn't brokenly tough.
 
Dead Bone Pulse (Knyght)

Knyght

The Collector
Before finalizing the Medical Ninjutsu article, here is a revised version of an older article now with links. This will still be part of the greater article for kekkei genkai rather than a stand-alone.

Dead Bone Pulse

This kekkei genkai manipulates bone.

By controlling their osteoblasts and osteoclasts - cells which grow and break down bone tissue - one can control the growth and properties of their bones to freely manipulate and expand upon their own skeletal structure.

This allows them to grow any number of bones beneath their flesh in shapes and sizes that can be similar to their original bones or entirely different from their natural forms. And they can control the density of these bones to make them as hard as steel, raising their offensive and defensive capabilities as one.

These bones can protrude from any part of their body such as their hands, chest, shoulders and knees to stab or cut their enemies with any of their limbs. Able to rapidly extend and retract these bones without motion or hand-seals, one can attack in the most unpredictable ways. They can even separate these bones from the body entirely to wield them as a hand-held weapon and fashion them into crude tools, or even eject them from the body with enough force to become lethal projectiles. Alternatively, the bones can be grown specifically under the skin as a layer of armor that can deflect blades and blunt blows, protecting their internal organs from harm.

Masters of this kekkei genkai become inhuman monstrosities, surrounding themselves in armored plates, jagged spikes and disturbing weaponry. They can tear their enemies apart with every step while walking through incoming jutsu unimpeded.

And when combined with ninjutsu, one becomes able to create bones from surrounding materials rather than from their own body. They can create blades from the ground to pierce through enemies, cages to act as a shelter or a trap, shoot spikes from the terrain itself, blow up their own bones into high-speed shrapnel and even animate entire skeletons.

Upon awakening this kekkei genkai, the individual's bones harden to better resist breaking and any damage they do suffer heals instantly.Whenever they consciously grow and move bones, their bodies reacts by shifting and tearing their muscle fibers, blood vessels and flesh to allow passage and then restore the body to normal again (including replacing any missing bones) to prevent the body from killing itself with its own power. Even their pain receptors do not respond to these changes or damage inflicted to the bones to avoid debilitating the individual.

However these adaptations are only a reaction to the kekkei genkai itself and so the individual would not heal from damage caused by a foreign object or avoid experiencing pain from such injuries.
 
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Sakon and Ukon's Kekkei Genkai v3 (Knyght)

Knyght

The Collector
And it's dear companion piece.

Sakon and Ukon's Kekkei Genkai v3

Twin Cell Pulse

This kekkei genkai manipulates cells.

By controlling cellular fusion and fission, one can grow copies of their own body parts to provide them with additional limbs that they can control like any other. They can create hands and arms to grab objects, block attacks or punch an opponent, legs and feet to provide extra stability or kick an enemy, or even create another head that can perceive the world around them to cover one’s blind spots. These body parts can appear anywhere on the original body near instantly then withdraw just as quickly and there is little limit on how many body parts can be created, making them incredibly difficult to predict as they do not follow ordinary human movement.

However the proportions of these limbs have to be exactly the same as the original as they are literal copies. Because they are connected to the original body, any injury inflicted on them causes the individual to fully experience that pain themselves which does not have any lasting effect once the copied limb is removed but it can be distracting. And if a copied body part is severed from the main body, it cannot be reattached or controlled any further.

This cellular control grants those who possess this kekkei genkai with a type of accelerated healing by consciously splitting and fusing cells in response to the injuries they have suffered. This makes their recovery time far faster than ordinary humans and able to deal with injuries that others wouldn’t be able to without medical aid. However this feat does require focus and a significant portion of chakra which makes it unsuitable for combat situations so it is ideally only used after the battle has ended and cannot deal with extreme injuries.

And an unusual trait of this kekkei genkai is that it is often possessed by identical twins who instinctively use their abilities on each other from an early age. They willingly merge their bodies together with one of the twins becoming the main body while the other twin rests inside them, sharing one body and each other’s senses. Existing in this state becomes so natural that they spend practically their entire lives in the same body.

The advantages of this body sharing is that any battle against them is two-on-one as the twins utilize unsurpassed teamwork to overcome their enemies. By acting in unison, they can simultaneously attack and defend without needing to consciously focus on both actions as each twin acts independently both from the same body. The resting twin is able to separate their body parts from the active twin, allowing them to extend their hands to punch or grab or their feet to kick out or even their head to see from an entirely different angle. Merging can even aid in their self-healing ability as the synergy between their kekkei genkai helps accelerate the process further and the injured twin can hide within their sibling to avoid further damage.

However, twins often become too reliant on each other’s support which can be a significant disadvantage when they are separated. The active twin is more vulnerable to blind spots and has lower defences in combat, and the resting twin lacks the stamina and focus for protracted fights. At the same time, they are both unaccustomed to using their kekkei genkai to replicate their own body parts like the rest of their clan since they would ordinarily perform that role for one another which arguably makes them less dangerous when separated.

The ability to merge bodies is not actually limited to twins and can be performed by any two individuals who possess this kekkei genkai. But this is usually just a temporary measure to aid in combat to make them into one, stronger unit with a hidden trump card rather than a permanent state. There are no known cases where three or more individuals have successfully merged together, even among siblings.

When combining their abilities with ninjutsu, one can perform much greater feats such as creating entire clones of flesh directly from their body to act in concert, grow body parts from the surrounding environment rather than their own body or even forcibly merge with an enemy by breaking down their own body on a cellular level and enter their enemy's flesh, then they corrode the cells of their host to essentially consume them from within and recreate their own body. While these are rare and advanced skills that few possessed, it was enough to give this kekkei genkai a sinister reputation among those with such knowledge.
 
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Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation (Research Notes) (Knyght)

Knyght

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Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation (Research Notes)
 
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They can perform jutsu even before having a talisman implanted. Implanting the talisman restores them physically and mentally. Allowing them to keep their personality makes it easier for them to cast their jutsu.
I think the talismans aren't strictly necessary for the technique, as much as they help the caster in keeping them under control.
 

Altered Nova

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Since the ritual to create the zombies doesn't involve the coffins, I think the coffins are a separate supplementary jutsu used to store them in a extradimensional space and to facilitate transportation by summoning jutsu.

Why didn't Orochimaru need talismans anymore the second time he summoned the Hokage? How was he controlling them?

What was up with that original summoning during the Chuunin Exam invasion? Hiruzen thinks "I must prevent him from raising the Third!", makes some vague handseals for an unnamed jutsu, then Orochimaru thinks "He managed to block the Third..." Orochimaru couldn't have actually been trying to raise the Fourth Hokage, right? He would have known that was impossible when he originally performed the sacrificial ritual. But I have no idea who else they could have possibly been referring to. And what exactly did Hiruzen do to stop the third summoning anyway?

What the heck happened to the sacrifice when Madara was resurrected for real with Rinne Tensei?
 
Why didn't Orochimaru need talismans anymore the second time he summoned the Hokage? How was he controlling them?
He wasn't interested in suppressing their will, only their actions AND he was much stronger due Hashi's cells.
 

Altered Nova

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So since the zombies can talk and be forced to perform jutsu as soon as they are summoned, then does that means the only purpose of the talisman is to "restore their physical appearance" (is that just a cosmetic change?) and allow the user to suppress their personality with handseals? They aren't actually a vital component of the jutsu?
 

Knyght

The Collector
Kabuto confirmed that Orochimaru had been trying to summon the Fourth Hokage but if failed because his soul was trapped in the Shinigami. Unfortunately this creates a plothole since Orochimaru would have needed to creates his zombies before summoning them to battle which should have shown him that summoning Minato is impossible. The only way I could possibly see this happening is if it's possible to create the zombie's body with their DNA but it's just an empty shell; when Orochimaru tried to actually animate it for battle, it backfired within the coffin and got unsummoned.

Hiruzen had nothing to do with stopping the summoning despite what I previously thought.

The translation should have been more like this (according to ShounenSuki and seelentau):

Hiruzen: "Not to mention that those corpses are…!! Gah… No matter what, the third person…"

Orochimaru: "The third one...didn't work, it seems...Oh well...that's fine."

Hiruzen: "Somehow, the third one was held back…"
 
Altered Nova said:
So since the zombies can talk and be forced to perform jutsu as soon as they are summoned, then does that means the only purpose of the talisman is to "restore their physical appearance" (is that just a cosmetic change?) and allow the user to suppress their personality with handseals? They aren't actually a vital component of the jutsu?
I think they are to give the user easier time to control them.

Basically:
Orochimaru summoned the Hokages at 1% of power, just enough to have them talk but completely unable to fight his control, even should have him be distracted.
He then put the seals, to act as a focus or something, while at the same time rising up their power and reducing their will because with the seal on he could control them.

He could have done all of that without the seals, as we've seen the second time he summons them, but he preferred being cautious.
 

Altered Nova

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knight504 said:
Kabuto confirmed that Orochimaru had been trying to summon the Fourth Hokage but if failed because his soul was trapped in the Shinigami. Unfortunately this creates a plothole since Orochimaru would have needed to creates his zombies before summoning them to battle which should have shown him that summoning Minato is impossible. The only way I could possibly see this happening is if it's possible to create the zombie's body with their DNA but it's just an empty shell; when Orochimaru tried to actually animate it for battle, it backfired within the coffin and got unsummoned.
Unfortunately, this explanation still doesn't really work. When Torune was revived by Kabuto he was immediately conscious and aware - panting, looking around, even speaking a few words. So Orochimaru should have noticed if the Fourth Hokage he summoned was just an empty shell. Not to mention that it seems kind of out of character for Orochimaru not to try and speak with Minato for a bit before putting him in a coffin, even if only to gloat about it and brag about what he intended to do to Konoha soon.

The only explanation that really makes sense to me is that Orochimaru didn't summon the zombies prior to his battle with Hiruzen - that is, he stuffed the still living sacrifices into the coffins and performed the summoning ritual right there on that rooftop while they were still concealed within them. This would seem to match up with the dialogue of the First and Second, who seem surprised at having been summoned back to the world of the living. Although it does seem ridiculously reckless not to test the summoning prior to using them in battle when there is no downside or risk to it, and there is also the issue of the missing jutsu formula. :huh.:
 
Torune isn't exactly the super-sealing genious 4th Hokage.... most likely, Orochimaru summoned them at the minimum capacity, basically just the body, to see if it was possible.
 
I have a question about timeline...
Did Obito release Kyuubi before Yahiko was killed or after?
 
knight504 said:
There's a thread for that but I believe the answer is after as Yahiko died during the Third Shinobi World War which ended before Naruto was born.
Thanks.
And I was wondering about one thing. What kind of abilities sealing Gedo Mazo would bring to shinobi? Mokuton? Super regeneration? Rabbit ears?
 

AoMythology

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NamelessOne said:
knight504 said:
There's a thread for that but I believe the answer is after as Yahiko died during the Third Shinobi World War which ended before Naruto was born.
Thanks.
And I was wondering about one thing. What kind of abilities sealing Gedo Mazo would bring to shinobi? Mokuton? Super regeneration? Rabbit ears?
I'd say no special abilities other than standard Bijuu fare, except greater. (So a yes to regeneration.)
 

Altered Nova

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Did you run out of ideas Knyght? I've been away from the forums for a while but I still regularly checked your blog.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Motivation's a bitch. I've still got drafts on my blog/docs and research notes for other stuff but actually doing something with them is bleh.

Not that I'm swimming with new things I want to write about either.
 
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