The views of the TSAB in Nanoha
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Certainly not Copernicus, seeing how he's dead.
In all honesty, my remark because some moron over in AnimeSuki used that EXACT SAME ARGUMENT with that EXACT SAME WORDING because no one really believed the blatant lies he was stating about a show.
And it got damn irritating damn quick. Hearing it from Aki doesn't help matters, especially given his sordid post content history.
In all honesty, my remark because some moron over in AnimeSuki used that EXACT SAME ARGUMENT with that EXACT SAME WORDING because no one really believed the blatant lies he was stating about a show.
And it got damn irritating damn quick. Hearing it from Aki doesn't help matters, especially given his sordid post content history.
THis is a fantasy show so if it is clearly good based on the show then so be it. Then there is the fact that well Midchilda is probably older than earth in the show with plenty of experience in dealing in a more technological age and growing wiser. Perhaps in time our reality well become like that of the TSAB because its been what 50 years at most we had enough amazing tech to do half of what we do today.
Also when it comes to the higher ups of any military, or government will in reality remain grey we can only hope it remains the lightest shade possible.
as of now we don't know a lot about the higher ups of any military or government branch. We should accept it as being good Bearue and not evil since it is fantasy.
oh and I wish to correct an earlier statement. THe founders are smewhere over 150 years old and the three admirals were around to see that ground forces became a bigger player 50 years after the founding of the TSAB and thus the new calender. It states it when Fate talks to Erio and caro about it a few episodes from Jails attack on TSAB Ground HQ.
However I will say one thing seperaing Ground Forces HQ from politics was a good idea since less of a chance some idiot politician uses it to cause trouble.
Also when it comes to the higher ups of any military, or government will in reality remain grey we can only hope it remains the lightest shade possible.
as of now we don't know a lot about the higher ups of any military or government branch. We should accept it as being good Bearue and not evil since it is fantasy.
oh and I wish to correct an earlier statement. THe founders are smewhere over 150 years old and the three admirals were around to see that ground forces became a bigger player 50 years after the founding of the TSAB and thus the new calender. It states it when Fate talks to Erio and caro about it a few episodes from Jails attack on TSAB Ground HQ.
However I will say one thing seperaing Ground Forces HQ from politics was a good idea since less of a chance some idiot politician uses it to cause trouble.
Imagine, if you will, a nightmareish creature emerging from a black dome in the ocean. A number of mages gather above it, fight it. And finally, three powerful young girls gather to hit it with a Triple Breaker...
Nanoha: "Starlight..."
Fate: "Plasma Zanber..."
Hayate: "Ragnarock..."
PCHeintz: "WAIT! STOP!"
Nanoha: (pausing) "Huh? Why?"
PCHentz: "This isn't safe! Magic is DANGEROUS! It corrupts people! Who knows what could happen if you follow through your spells?
Fate:" ...Is he for real?"
Hayate: "What should we do?"
PCHeintz: "I have some nuclear, biological and chemical weapons for you to us instead! It's as safe as magic, but BETTER because everyone can use them!"
(The three girls look at it each, and their charged spells, and then nod at each other).
Fate: "...Right. Hayate? Nanoha?""
Hayate: "Changing target..."
Nanoha: "BREAKER!"
(PCHeintz is knocked out, but is otherwised unharmed because magic is safer, although he isn't very appreciative of that fact, and probably wished someone had hit him with nerve gas instead)
Wait, so if magic doesn't ferret someone out in a day, then it's worse than tech? It was Investigator Acous who found Jail's hideout. Prior to that, Zest and his team found one of Jail's labs. But Jail is a bad example, because he was receiving intelligence from the conspiracy at the top. The only reason Jail's labs were compromised, was because Zest and Acous didn't share their activities with compromised people, ie, Regius and the Brain council.
Funny thing about your "day" jab, tho... Zest and Acous found Jail's stuff relatively quickly. Without his cheats/warnings, Jail was caught completely off guard.
Okay, I think you need to learn to count. How many people were corrupt at the TSAB? 3 brains, Regius, and Auris. 5 people, if you want to count the brains as full humans. How many are in the Bureau? Tens of thousands, easily. The number of corrupt at the Bureau are less than 0.1% of the total. Name me any government on Earth, that has less corrupt people than that. You can't do it.
Sure, there might have been a few more to help funnel that money to Jail. 10? 20? Still doesn't even approach 0.1%. Hell, even if I go very liberal and say a couple of hundred, we still don't even have a corruption rate of 1%!
You know, PC, I'm also a cynic by nature. But what you're doing here isn't cynicism. The cynicism I use pertains to our world, and is based off of actual evidence. You know, actually seeing how much bad shit goes down over the years. That is cynicism based on evidence.
Your cynicism is based on belief. You're arguing that Santa can't fly his sleigh because he's too fat and heavy, and the rest of his us saying, "Dude, Santa isn't real."
PC, we've gone several pages now. Put your evidence up. Show us, from the source material, how the bad things totally ruin the Bureau because of magic. Because you have exactly 1 example with the brains and Regius, out of several incidents that we've seen.
It's time for you to put up. Show your evidence.
Nanoha: "Starlight..."
Fate: "Plasma Zanber..."
Hayate: "Ragnarock..."
PCHeintz: "WAIT! STOP!"
Nanoha: (pausing) "Huh? Why?"
PCHentz: "This isn't safe! Magic is DANGEROUS! It corrupts people! Who knows what could happen if you follow through your spells?
Fate:" ...Is he for real?"
Hayate: "What should we do?"
PCHeintz: "I have some nuclear, biological and chemical weapons for you to us instead! It's as safe as magic, but BETTER because everyone can use them!"
(The three girls look at it each, and their charged spells, and then nod at each other).
Fate: "...Right. Hayate? Nanoha?""
Hayate: "Changing target..."
Nanoha: "BREAKER!"
(PCHeintz is knocked out, but is otherwised unharmed because magic is safer, although he isn't very appreciative of that fact, and probably wished someone had hit him with nerve gas instead)
Wait, so if magic doesn't ferret someone out in a day, then it's worse than tech? It was Investigator Acous who found Jail's hideout. Prior to that, Zest and his team found one of Jail's labs. But Jail is a bad example, because he was receiving intelligence from the conspiracy at the top. The only reason Jail's labs were compromised, was because Zest and Acous didn't share their activities with compromised people, ie, Regius and the Brain council.
Funny thing about your "day" jab, tho... Zest and Acous found Jail's stuff relatively quickly. Without his cheats/warnings, Jail was caught completely off guard.
Okay, I think you need to learn to count. How many people were corrupt at the TSAB? 3 brains, Regius, and Auris. 5 people, if you want to count the brains as full humans. How many are in the Bureau? Tens of thousands, easily. The number of corrupt at the Bureau are less than 0.1% of the total. Name me any government on Earth, that has less corrupt people than that. You can't do it.
Sure, there might have been a few more to help funnel that money to Jail. 10? 20? Still doesn't even approach 0.1%. Hell, even if I go very liberal and say a couple of hundred, we still don't even have a corruption rate of 1%!
You know, PC, I'm also a cynic by nature. But what you're doing here isn't cynicism. The cynicism I use pertains to our world, and is based off of actual evidence. You know, actually seeing how much bad shit goes down over the years. That is cynicism based on evidence.
Your cynicism is based on belief. You're arguing that Santa can't fly his sleigh because he's too fat and heavy, and the rest of his us saying, "Dude, Santa isn't real."
PC, we've gone several pages now. Put your evidence up. Show us, from the source material, how the bad things totally ruin the Bureau because of magic. Because you have exactly 1 example with the brains and Regius, out of several incidents that we've seen.
It's time for you to put up. Show your evidence.
And even then they aren't Exactly corrupted. Closer to Well intentioned extremists. I see Corrupt as someone who does thing for his own personal benefit and damn the rest of the world. Brains and Regius weren't exactly Corrupt, their intentions were noble, they just used immoral methods and bit WAY more than they could chew.
Good lord... I actually thought this was pretty much over after my last post... (last real post, not that one I thought I had made in the Daily things thread that was mistakenly posted here...)
She may have been under their jurisdiction, but even if she was she had no exposure to that society... Which was the point in regards to her upbringing... and in any case I still felt that in the face of her coercion by her mother, she should have been released free and clear with a stern note about not being able to get out of it if breaks law in future.
That is a personal view... obviously if it were official.. it would not be done.
I could understand this were the Belkin wars *just* over with, that is quote clearly not the case... this would be like us using extreme draft and recruitment policies now for events that occurred back before WWII even occurred.
That is really the whole problem with the discussion... the 'clearly good' is what I'm not seeing. And not all fantasy shows are 'good'... Record of Lodoss Wars comes to mind... As does a few others...
Then there is the fact that well Mochidean is probably older than earth in the show with plenty of experience in dealing in a more technological age and growing wiser.
Their experience in dealing with a 'more technological age' is from fear to make large portions of tech forbidden...
I'm hoping more Star Trek route myself, though I fully realize that is not likely in the least... I'd at least like to avoid the upcoming wars in Trek history...
And I say again just because it is fantasy does not make it good...
I do not think the TSAB would totally screw earth over... unless it became in their interests to do so...
No... in such a scenario, I simply do not believe the TSAB would take Earth seriously.
I've stated it before... hamstringing your top agents, especially when they are assigned to rapid response or high risk missions, is outright stupid on their part... I have no real issue on limiters on lesser agents due to potential for training and loyalty problems... but we are talking the better part of a decade of loyalty by those three...
Sure am... the thing to keep in mind is this...
We as a group have limited canon material to go by... near everything civilization wide for the TSAB being discussed in the thread, and their level of darkness and goodness and what not, is interpretation of depicted events, and interpolating those onto the Midchildean and TSAB society as a whole...
*Two* of three seasons of anime centered on corruption in Midchildean society... and the remaining one a rogue from that society... because she had to (note in no way am I defending her actions, and am quite convinced she was insane by time of canon start)
They (the TSAB ) are not facing some great enemy... they are facing corruption from within and from the byproducts of their own society and the way they operate and function... *how much* of a representation of the *whole* society it is the real issue... I say this is a representation of huge deficits considering it has been repeatedly stated how noble, honorable, clean, and best of best those in the TSAB must be... Yet two thirds the plot centers on their corruption... and more on flack from it.
I still insist the single best model for the TSAB as comparison is Stargate series SG1 command... they did plenty of good, were far better than any bad guys , more stable than nearly any other good guys... and yet were pretty much out for themselves and did some pretty not so good things in parts of that series.... we also had in it government corruption, infighting between branches of military, and issues with chain of command... and politics interfering with effectiveness.
This... I agree with...
This is where we diverge. You and me have differing views of noble goals...
A noble goal is *not* noble if you or the society you are a part of judge your actions to do it as wrong... both these guys knew full well what they were doing, and it did not stop them... I've listed Grahams crimes as I saw them elsewhere in this thread already, I'm not re-listing them... and before it is mentioned that is *my* interpretation of his crimes, it is... but I seriously doubt the TSAB liked very much what he did in regards tot heir personnel or resources.
With both... it went beyond goals... becoming both crime(s) and an obsession to them... a very unhealthy one considering what they entailed.
Heh... you guys cannot have it both ways... one is arguing because they are a older society than us they are more enlightened and good because of that age... and you are defending the darkness/corruption because they are newly formed...
Even just from the Belkin wars 150 years is not a short time...
By that reckoning, the U.S. is *much* younger than the nations of Europe... but I do not really see them as all that better and in some cases worse... Egypt is certainly older, and look what is occurring there as we discuss this...
A society is good or bad based on its actions and moral outlook, obviously the standard will vary asked on whom is doing the judging...
Age does not equate good or wise, or bad or dumb...
This is actually one of the nicest statements in the thread... For the record... I am not saying they are evil... I do disagree with a ton of their stances and actions...
Well... Galileo was pardoned after 502 years... I can hold out hope someday you guys will see my point of view... but I doubt it.
@Kaijo
I'm going to parody your scenario....
But Jail would have had no reason to bother with any form of defense or true hiding... *because* he had inside information and supposedly believed he would be informed...
I could argue the idealism you guys and ascribe to these guys is just as based on belief...
Shrugs... I've been answering stuff all along... realistically... both views are based merely off stuff in the series... we merely came away with diametrically opposed views of it...
I agree that it is not real, I do not agree as some here are putting it that due to it being fantasy, or due to them being older, or more experienced, automatically makes them 'better'...
Mistakes are mistakes... you can blame their politics or make excuses for plenty of stuff... ascribe noble goals to people whom lost their sense of right vs. wrong... it does not change that all these things are occurring...
They are not perfect, they are not something like the last bastion of all the is light and good and pure in the world to hold against the darkness... They are not the greatest thing since sliced bread... ditto for Magic... both magic and tech have their place. A society turning their back on knowledge is to me repugnant...
Neither of us seems to really get the other side...
Heh... when I made that first post... on 'safe' use of magic... I should have known it would blow outward form there to go this route....
She may have been under their jurisdiction, but even if she was she had no exposure to that society... Which was the point in regards to her upbringing... and in any case I still felt that in the face of her coercion by her mother, she should have been released free and clear with a stern note about not being able to get out of it if breaks law in future.
That is a personal view... obviously if it were official.. it would not be done.
I could understand this were the Belkin wars *just* over with, that is quote clearly not the case... this would be like us using extreme draft and recruitment policies now for events that occurred back before WWII even occurred.
That is really the whole problem with the discussion... the 'clearly good' is what I'm not seeing. And not all fantasy shows are 'good'... Record of Lodoss Wars comes to mind... As does a few others...
Then there is the fact that well Mochidean is probably older than earth in the show with plenty of experience in dealing in a more technological age and growing wiser.
Their experience in dealing with a 'more technological age' is from fear to make large portions of tech forbidden...
I'm hoping more Star Trek route myself, though I fully realize that is not likely in the least... I'd at least like to avoid the upcoming wars in Trek history...
And I say again just because it is fantasy does not make it good...
I do not think the TSAB would totally screw earth over... unless it became in their interests to do so...
No... in such a scenario, I simply do not believe the TSAB would take Earth seriously.
I've stated it before... hamstringing your top agents, especially when they are assigned to rapid response or high risk missions, is outright stupid on their part... I have no real issue on limiters on lesser agents due to potential for training and loyalty problems... but we are talking the better part of a decade of loyalty by those three...
Sure am... the thing to keep in mind is this...
We as a group have limited canon material to go by... near everything civilization wide for the TSAB being discussed in the thread, and their level of darkness and goodness and what not, is interpretation of depicted events, and interpolating those onto the Midchildean and TSAB society as a whole...
*Two* of three seasons of anime centered on corruption in Midchildean society... and the remaining one a rogue from that society... because she had to (note in no way am I defending her actions, and am quite convinced she was insane by time of canon start)
They (the TSAB ) are not facing some great enemy... they are facing corruption from within and from the byproducts of their own society and the way they operate and function... *how much* of a representation of the *whole* society it is the real issue... I say this is a representation of huge deficits considering it has been repeatedly stated how noble, honorable, clean, and best of best those in the TSAB must be... Yet two thirds the plot centers on their corruption... and more on flack from it.
I still insist the single best model for the TSAB as comparison is Stargate series SG1 command... they did plenty of good, were far better than any bad guys , more stable than nearly any other good guys... and yet were pretty much out for themselves and did some pretty not so good things in parts of that series.... we also had in it government corruption, infighting between branches of military, and issues with chain of command... and politics interfering with effectiveness.
This... I agree with...
This is where we diverge. You and me have differing views of noble goals...
A noble goal is *not* noble if you or the society you are a part of judge your actions to do it as wrong... both these guys knew full well what they were doing, and it did not stop them... I've listed Grahams crimes as I saw them elsewhere in this thread already, I'm not re-listing them... and before it is mentioned that is *my* interpretation of his crimes, it is... but I seriously doubt the TSAB liked very much what he did in regards tot heir personnel or resources.
With both... it went beyond goals... becoming both crime(s) and an obsession to them... a very unhealthy one considering what they entailed.
Heh... you guys cannot have it both ways... one is arguing because they are a older society than us they are more enlightened and good because of that age... and you are defending the darkness/corruption because they are newly formed...
Even just from the Belkin wars 150 years is not a short time...
By that reckoning, the U.S. is *much* younger than the nations of Europe... but I do not really see them as all that better and in some cases worse... Egypt is certainly older, and look what is occurring there as we discuss this...
A society is good or bad based on its actions and moral outlook, obviously the standard will vary asked on whom is doing the judging...
Age does not equate good or wise, or bad or dumb...
This is actually one of the nicest statements in the thread... For the record... I am not saying they are evil... I do disagree with a ton of their stances and actions...
Well... Galileo was pardoned after 502 years... I can hold out hope someday you guys will see my point of view... but I doubt it.
@Kaijo
I'm going to parody your scenario....
But Jail would have had no reason to bother with any form of defense or true hiding... *because* he had inside information and supposedly believed he would be informed...
I could argue the idealism you guys and ascribe to these guys is just as based on belief...
Shrugs... I've been answering stuff all along... realistically... both views are based merely off stuff in the series... we merely came away with diametrically opposed views of it...
I agree that it is not real, I do not agree as some here are putting it that due to it being fantasy, or due to them being older, or more experienced, automatically makes them 'better'...
Mistakes are mistakes... you can blame their politics or make excuses for plenty of stuff... ascribe noble goals to people whom lost their sense of right vs. wrong... it does not change that all these things are occurring...
They are not perfect, they are not something like the last bastion of all the is light and good and pure in the world to hold against the darkness... They are not the greatest thing since sliced bread... ditto for Magic... both magic and tech have their place. A society turning their back on knowledge is to me repugnant...
Neither of us seems to really get the other side...
Heh... when I made that first post... on 'safe' use of magic... I should have known it would blow outward form there to go this route....
Bah, grimdark 'everyone is evil except our heroes' isn't potential. It's an entirely different story.
.... How is that inconsistent?
They don't really need to. Vivid shows us a whole slew of powerful mages living happy normal lives. It's not as if the TSAB drafts kids into their forces. All the kids are volunteers who want to get in.
.... You mean school. Yeah. They have that. Vivio's in one right now in Vivid. Teaches magic in addition to the usual math/history/etc. classes.
.... How is that inconsistent?
They don't really need to. Vivid shows us a whole slew of powerful mages living happy normal lives. It's not as if the TSAB drafts kids into their forces. All the kids are volunteers who want to get in.
.... You mean school. Yeah. They have that. Vivio's in one right now in Vivid. Teaches magic in addition to the usual math/history/etc. classes.
You can't have it both ways. You have a real problem with people having a lot of power... and yet when the Bureau takes steps to rein in that power, you have a problem with it, too! Make up your mind! Even with limiters, they were down to A ranks, which is more than enough power for anything but the most extreme circumstances. And the limiters are easily removed, as they can be done instantly and from a great distance, so when those extreme circumstances come up, there is no problem. And you still don't understand the political reason why they had limiters! You keep making up reasons that are NOT stated anywhere in the series.
You don't get to make up your own reasons.
Fear of tech? You really didn't watch this show, did you? They have plenty of normal tech around; Vice's motorcycle, cars, communications, even tanks for crying out loud! Your point kinda falls flat when you realize they were using tanks.
#1. None of the mages involved in A's had limiters, which was the parody I was drawing from. If you didn't actually watch the series, then you wouldn't have realized that.
#2. You realize the folly of not using the best tools for the job, finally. Since magic is better and is readily available, it is better than tech in dealing with situations. Glad you finally realize this!
Of course he would have bothered to hide; there were still a bunch of people in the Bureau who would have loved to stop him! Normal people, too, he wouldn't want stumbling upon his stuff and then reporting to the Bureau. So, he WAS trying to hide, and WAS found out by not one, but two different groups of magical Bureau personnel.
No, you can't. We submit, as our evidence, three animated seasons of Nanoha, 5 manga series, and a dozen sound stages... which all prove magic is very capable of easily and quickly and SAFELY dealing with all situations.
Your tanks (your normal tech) by the way, were easily trashed by a few cyborgs. Good thing the Bureau didn't rely on tech, and instead used magic instead, huh?
You don't get to make up your own reasons.
Fear of tech? You really didn't watch this show, did you? They have plenty of normal tech around; Vice's motorcycle, cars, communications, even tanks for crying out loud! Your point kinda falls flat when you realize they were using tanks.
#1. None of the mages involved in A's had limiters, which was the parody I was drawing from. If you didn't actually watch the series, then you wouldn't have realized that.
#2. You realize the folly of not using the best tools for the job, finally. Since magic is better and is readily available, it is better than tech in dealing with situations. Glad you finally realize this!
Of course he would have bothered to hide; there were still a bunch of people in the Bureau who would have loved to stop him! Normal people, too, he wouldn't want stumbling upon his stuff and then reporting to the Bureau. So, he WAS trying to hide, and WAS found out by not one, but two different groups of magical Bureau personnel.
No, you can't. We submit, as our evidence, three animated seasons of Nanoha, 5 manga series, and a dozen sound stages... which all prove magic is very capable of easily and quickly and SAFELY dealing with all situations.
Your tanks (your normal tech) by the way, were easily trashed by a few cyborgs. Good thing the Bureau didn't rely on tech, and instead used magic instead, huh?
Meh...
That was a parody of a parody... it was not supposed to be accurate to canon...
I will note I have in fact all three seasons anime acquired (2 are retail box sets), still have them, watched all of them, was disappointed in season 3 ending on multiple fronts... I took notes as I watched... and still have the notes... I keep stuff like that, pretty much forever...
Made it through most of the soundstages... with notes made... Was mostly disappointed with them... Seemed mostly fan overhyped.
Made it through the A's manga, and somewhat further beyond.... with notes made while going through it. The art style was a turn off, but anime seemed fairly in line with it which is more than can be said for a lot of series.
I have more material acquired, but it is sitting in the unread section on my HD due to the combined fact of the look of the art style, the disappointment with the soundstages, the past arguments on-line, and the fact the bulk of the fan fiction available has left me wanting for some time...
As I said... series with potential... but disappointed in the outlook...
That was a parody of a parody... it was not supposed to be accurate to canon...
I will note I have in fact all three seasons anime acquired (2 are retail box sets), still have them, watched all of them, was disappointed in season 3 ending on multiple fronts... I took notes as I watched... and still have the notes... I keep stuff like that, pretty much forever...
Made it through most of the soundstages... with notes made... Was mostly disappointed with them... Seemed mostly fan overhyped.
Made it through the A's manga, and somewhat further beyond.... with notes made while going through it. The art style was a turn off, but anime seemed fairly in line with it which is more than can be said for a lot of series.
I have more material acquired, but it is sitting in the unread section on my HD due to the combined fact of the look of the art style, the disappointment with the soundstages, the past arguments on-line, and the fact the bulk of the fan fiction available has left me wanting for some time...
As I said... series with potential... but disappointed in the outlook...
Well, PCHeintz, everyone here liked this series and thought it held up well, except you. The crowds have spoken, and you are in the minority. Hey, it's okay. I don't like one piece, but a lot of people do, so that makes me the minority there, too. But you know what? I try to avoid going into one piece forums and telling them how awful it is. It's a sign of respect, I think. Just my opinion, tho.
No... it has nothing to do with insult or respect toward the series....
I've said plenty of times I actually liked the series, even if the anime end disappointed me...
I just seem to see it in a different light than most fans... I walked away with a complexly different outlook of it... the very things you are arguing against even being in there are the very things I like about it....
Shrugs... not really much more to say...
I've said plenty of times I actually liked the series, even if the anime end disappointed me...
I just seem to see it in a different light than most fans... I walked away with a complexly different outlook of it... the very things you are arguing against even being in there are the very things I like about it....
Shrugs... not really much more to say...
You liked it, even if you feel it was bad? That's a contradiction in terms, unless you it was like a cheesy B-movie that is so bad it is good.
You are basically saying that the Bureau is dumb because they dumped tech in favor of magic.... while completely disregarding how well that has worked. Damn, if the Bureau is failing, I wish I could fail that well. They've stopped several dimensional catastrophe's before they could cause much harm, and have eliminated corrupt personnel within their ranks instead of allowing them to serve term after term after term. And actually, as others have said, they aren't even corrupt, as they aren't amassing power for themselves.
I honestly wish to God that there was a single ruling body on Earth that could match that. Then again, I suppose you think that every ruling body and human organization on Earth must be the lowest of scum, then, if you feel the Bureau is that bad.
You are basically saying that the Bureau is dumb because they dumped tech in favor of magic.... while completely disregarding how well that has worked. Damn, if the Bureau is failing, I wish I could fail that well. They've stopped several dimensional catastrophe's before they could cause much harm, and have eliminated corrupt personnel within their ranks instead of allowing them to serve term after term after term. And actually, as others have said, they aren't even corrupt, as they aren't amassing power for themselves.
I honestly wish to God that there was a single ruling body on Earth that could match that. Then again, I suppose you think that every ruling body and human organization on Earth must be the lowest of scum, then, if you feel the Bureau is that bad.
Thanks, i won't (i'll save it for the next great debate on the FORCE thread xD).
Personally i consider the TSAB too big of an organization to make an opinniin about it as a whole. It stands on noble principles and ideals but sometimes it takes an insurmonable amount of work to carry on and mantain said views. Some high-ranking officers had attempted to make the dirty work they see as necessary to allow the good intentions to prosper while others seem to have lost their ground entirely and delved into the belief of "we are the law and whatever we do is justice" as it happened with the brains.
Notwithstanding the bureau still have very good, capable and noble people in high ranks like Letti Lowran, Carim Gracia and more recently Chrono Harlown and while some members are paranoid or unstable the TSAB at most is filled with people who trust and believes in the priciples they follow.
It has it's pros and cons but overall it's a stable (if a bit frail) goverment.
At least so far. ..FORCE will say if things will remain like that.
Personally i consider the TSAB too big of an organization to make an opinniin about it as a whole. It stands on noble principles and ideals but sometimes it takes an insurmonable amount of work to carry on and mantain said views. Some high-ranking officers had attempted to make the dirty work they see as necessary to allow the good intentions to prosper while others seem to have lost their ground entirely and delved into the belief of "we are the law and whatever we do is justice" as it happened with the brains.
Notwithstanding the bureau still have very good, capable and noble people in high ranks like Letti Lowran, Carim Gracia and more recently Chrono Harlown and while some members are paranoid or unstable the TSAB at most is filled with people who trust and believes in the priciples they follow.
It has it's pros and cons but overall it's a stable (if a bit frail) goverment.
At least so far. ..FORCE will say if things will remain like that.