The White Devil of the Moon Chapter 2

Megaolix

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I know we're all waiting for next chapter here, but let's not get too crazy waiting, okay?
 

biigoh

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Don't worry... Cirno has been calculating stuff! She is a genius!
 

Jomasten

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Touhou hijack, lol.
 

Gundum M

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If the senshi and TSAB both exist in the same universe they (should) use the same magic. This means SM magic is based on the same prinsipals.
doubt it. didn't chrono mention once that the tsab had serverl hunderd differnt systems of magic documented?
 
Gundum M said:
If the senshi and TSAB both exist in the same universe they (should) use the same magic. This means SM magic is based on the same prinsipals.
doubt it. didn't chrono mention once that the tsab had serverl hunderd differnt systems of magic documented?
Sure their are tons of different magic systems ouyt there: But thats just the interface. I meant they follow the same laws. Like physics.
 
condonzack said:
Gundum M said:
If the senshi and TSAB both exist in the same universe they (should) use the same magic. This means SM magic is based on the same prinsipals.
doubt it. didn't chrono mention once that the tsab had serverl hunderd differnt systems of magic documented?
Sure their are tons of different magic systems ouyt there: But thats just the interface. I meant they follow the same laws. Like physics.
>magic

>following the laws of physics
 
Dark Knight Gafgar said:
condonzack said:
Gundum M said:
If the senshi and TSAB both exist in the same universe they (should) use the same magic. This means SM magic is based on the same prinsipals.
doubt it. didn't chrono mention once that the tsab had serverl hunderd differnt systems of magic documented?
Sure their are tons of different magic systems ouyt there: But thats just the interface. I meant they follow the same laws. Like physics.
>magic

>following the laws of physics
That's a strawman and you know it. "I meant they follow the same laws. Like physics." != "following the laws of physics."

You need laws and rules for a system if you're going to make sense of it. Not laws in the legal sense of "thou shalt," but in the scientific sense a set of codified observations that are true or nearly always true -- more "thou art." If magic followed no rules at all, then there would not be systematic ways of accessing it (like Nanoha-style magic circles and Devices), as none could be relied upon to get the same effect. SM magic can thus be expected to be manipulable via the same means unless it's really something completely different than MSLN magic or the base theory behind MSLN magic is completely wrong.

The rest comes down to an engineering problem -- how do you implement a way to exploit these rules to get what you want (like a giant pink beam of death)? There are as many solutions as people (with strengths and weaknesses to each one), thus the large number of magic systems with varying effects from each one.
 

Ryuugi

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BF110C4 said:
I must admit that I am as guilty of this desire to see the cast of Sailor Moon being blown up and then having to experience Sargent Nanoha Basic Combat Course. I do like Sailor Moon, in fact I used to collect the manga and saw the Anime (from what I have seen it was far more complete here in Mexico than in the U.S., weird) and I do like them, but I hate their lack of tactical thinking, the best they did was having Ami scanning their enemies for a weak point or doing to much rare combination strike, no tactics, no cunning use of monsters from the evil generals, just launching attacks on the target of the day.

Thats the reason I like MGLN, there there is a more tactical mindset, they try to get close or to keep their ideal shooting distance, they work in teams with people who knows how to shield, or are support. I want to see that always, and the way things are the scouts will learn how to use their full potencial one way or another.

What I do wonder is if the battles against the Youma have been easy, or they had near loses or even being forced to do a tactical retreat before the state the war is now. That is going to be important in their acctitudes both inside and outside the battlefield.
You know, I see this a lot, and it upsets me somewhat. I mean, it's true, to an extent, sure, but why do the Senshi get so muh slack for it? In my opinion, 'I attack' is a pretty good strategy when you have the amount of power the Senshi do; 'I blow it up' isn't a very complex strategy either, but it's basically the Nucear Bomb in a nutshell.

When you're as durable as the Senshi are (Hell, at one point they were tanking planet-busters), having a shield isn't quite as important. In the same way, when you have the range they do, not to mention the AoE attacks they have, 'ideal firing range' is 'whatever the hell you want to fire at'.

In addition, the Senshi are each others support; they work pretty well as a team. Maybe not as efficently as a SWAT team or something, but they've proven themselves quite skilled, not to mention very dangerous, as shown by the way they've beaten pretty every one they've gone up against, eventually, including cosmic horror level threats.

See, people who mention this lack of tactical thinking always forget something extremely important. Modern tactics were built around modern weaponry and how they affect human bodies (generally, they tear through them easily). It was built around this high level of danger, as well as things like the time and costs of relocation, supplies, the benefits and limitations of modern weaponry, and the need for reinforcements.

They were built around these things, and they rely on them.

Thus, when a Senshi walks in, they go out the window, because, frankly, the premise they function upon have been obviated. The Senshi can ignore pretty much all of those problems. They are much like WMD; they don't really need a strategy, because they are the strategy.
 

Reimu

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Great, they are super powerful. That still doesn't impress me at all, even with you talking about how they are powerful enough to not need tactics.
 

Minami

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The thing is that people ignore with a senshi is their power relies heavily on will power. They can modify techniques at the drop of a hat and create new ones at the spur of the moment. Any technique they have could be single or mass area in the manga and the anime. As long as they want it bad enough they could pretty much do anything.

What annoys me is that people compare the senshi to shounen standards (they don't train, they don't do this and they don't do that, everything is so black and white). When they were just a simple shoujo sentai manga, the first shoujo sentai manga. It isn't fair to compare the two when it's basically power rangers with girls.
 

Shiakou

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Reimu said:
Great, they are super powerful.? That still doesn't impress me at all, even with you talking about how they are powerful enough to not need tactics.
It wasn't meant to impress you, it was meant to explain the fact that no amount of infantry-level tactics is important to a warrior powered by a freaking planet.

Tactics are also not important to a pure shoujo manga. Because 12 year old girls aren't interested in them.

You and I are also not important to a pure shoujo manga. Well, unless you're a 12 year old girl. Is it any wonder it doesn't hold your interest? :p
 

Reimu

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It's not always true about how if you are powerful enough tactics are pointless though. Wonder Woman in the comics needs tactics and martial art skill alot of times, and she can lift millions of tons and can keep track with super speedsters like Flash.

But yeah, I am obviously not the target audience and concede on that point, as well as the fact that overwhelming power is much more easier and effective than a good strategy.
 

biigoh

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I think it's less that tactics are not important, rather... there aren't enough fighters at that level that work in mass combat to make it well of any use.

Think about it, senshi are hideously rare (at a ratio of 1 per planet/star/celestial object/whatever), that the earth solar system is considered a freak occurrence to have 9+! senshi.

They become warriors, as opposed to soldiers. Althou, the notion of just why one would have an entire army of senshi trained in tactics and who work with each other ala infantry / current military forces should worry people. Especially if one considers that such a thing would only occur to face an enemy that a senshi can't handle alone with their powers.
 
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