The White Devil of the Moon Chapter 5

[Ryuugi]

It's no problem.

Besides, now that I've had a bit more time to loke, I found more support for my argument.

The exact wording is 'causes destruction across multiple universes' not 'causes destruction of multiple universes' and the associated pictures during those scenes showed a bunch of cities being engulfed by tidal waves and volcanoes and I think I remember the crust of a planet shattering, which could be showing an earthquake...so perhaps civilization-ending geological disturbances depending on how powerful all of those are but no more; the planets themselves would almost certainly survive, though it would likely suck to live on them for awhile.

In addition, this is a much more reasonable conclusion to draw from the mid-range dimensional disturbance that Precia originally caused on Midchilda, which, remember, caused only local damage.

 

[violetshadows]

This is a stupid argument anyway, regardless of how dangerous x is in y canon, Nanoha has basically bitchslapped someone the senshi haven't been able to kill while injured, which means Nanoha > then senshi in bissek's fic. Fate fought Mars and Jupiter at once and still walked away without having to draw on any of her higher level shit, which means Fate > Mars + Jupiter. Regardless of how much experience they may have gained fighting the Dark Kingdom its obviously not enough yet for them to go toe to toe with Nanoha or Fate alone. Personally, I think they should have a few nice tricks of their own, but be largely hampered by their own desires to be free of a burden some talking cat placed on their heads.

 

[Ryuugi]

This is a stupid argument anyway, regardless of how dangerous x is in y canon, Nanoha has basically bitchslapped someone the senshi haven't been able to kill while injured, which means Nanoha > then senshi in bissek's fic.? Fate fought Mars and Jupiter at once and still walked away without having to draw on any of her higher level shit, which means Fate > Mars + Jupiter.? Regardless of how much experience they may have gained fighting the Dark Kingdom its obviously not enough yet for them to go toe to toe with Nanoha or Fate alone.? Personally, I think they should have a few nice tricks of their own, but be largely hampered by their own desires to be free of a burden some talking cat placed on their heads.

That's one of the problems I have with this fic, yes. The fact that one side has been made to completely overpower the other, which is largely caused by the fact that this is first season anime Senshi without Sailor Moon vs. post-A's Nanoha verse, which is blantantly unfair, especially when there are a number of other ways to cross Nanoha and SM that are much more even, such as Arc one of the Manga.

At the very least, the Inners should have grown much, much more powerful over this year and a half in order to justify their survival.

Speaking of survival, I noticed a glaring plot hole bissek.

Jadeite has been handling the Senshi problem for the past year.

I'm sad to say this makes absolutely no sense. You see, Beryl is neither patient nor forgiving (point of fact, she's a total bitch); Jadeite had lost a dozen missions at most before being frozen for his failure, and replaced by someone else. And remember, the others have powers like, turn large numbers of random dudes into youma, which would be an I win button since the Senshi have no Moon Stick.

In addition, Nephrite still looking for the crystals make absolutely no sense. He created the item for finding them, after all. It took Zoicite five seconds to track one down using Nephrite's crystal.

In addition, they took, at most, a few months for Metaria with a consistently interrupted energy source to effect the outside world. And remember, that was because Usagi appeared as often as she did, which was because she was into fads and monsters had a habit of attacking her friends and family. If the senshi appeared as they did in canon, a year and a half later the Dark Kingdom should have taken over by now.

So I honestly can't see them surviving this long (unless they became utter badasses). Or, well, anybody else, really.

 

[Megaolix]

This is a stupid argument anyway, regardless of how dangerous x is in y canon, Nanoha has basically bitchslapped someone the senshi haven't been able to kill while injured, which means Nanoha > then senshi in bissek's fic.á Fate fought Mars and Jupiter at once and still walked away without having to draw on any of her higher level shit, which means Fate > Mars + Jupiter.á Regardless of how much experience they may have gained fighting the Dark Kingdom its obviously not enough yet for them to go toe to toe with Nanoha or Fate alone.á Personally, I think they should have a few nice tricks of their own, but be largely hampered by their own desires to be free of a burden some talking cat placed on their heads.

That's one of the problems I have with this fic, yes. The fact that one side has been made to completely overpower the other, which is largely caused by the fact that this is first season anime Senshi without Sailor Moon vs. post-A's Nanoha verse, which is blantantly unfair, especially when there are a number of other ways to cross Nanoha and SM that are much more even, such as Arc one of the Manga.

At the very least, the Inners should have grown much, much more powerful over this year and a half in order to justify their survival.

Speaking of survival, I noticed a glaring plot hole bissek.

Jadeite has been handling the Senshi problem for the past year.

I'm sad to say this makes absolutely no sense. You see, Beryl is neither patient nor forgiving (point of fact, she's a total bitch); Jadeite had lost a dozen missions at most before being frozen for his failure, and replaced by someone else. And remember, the others have powers like, turn large numbers of random dudes into youma, which would be an I win button since the Senshi have no Moon Stick.

In addition, Nephrite still looking for the crystals make absolutely no sense. He created the item for finding them, after all. It took Zoicite five seconds to track one down using Nephrite's crystal.

In addition, they took, at most, a few months for Metaria with a consistently interrupted energy source to effect the outside world. And remember, that was because Usagi appeared as often as she did, which was because she was into fads and monsters had a habit of attacking her friends and family. If the senshi appeared as they did in canon, a year and a half later the Dark Kingdom should have taken over by now.

So I honestly can't see them surviving this long (unless they became utter badasses). Or, well, anybody else, really.

Now who's over-hyping a series over another again? You said you don't like it? News flash: We don't like you doing it too.

 

[bissek]

I'm borrowing elements from anime and manga as it suits me. There are no Rainbow Crystals, and no 'turn to youma' spell.

The Generals have been successful enough to avoid terminal punishments (Though those subordinates of theirs who survived the Senshi were not), but have not been successful enough to revive Metallia. But on the other side of the equation, the Senshi know that they've been successful enough to make progress towards that, which worries them.

 

[Ryuugi]

This is a stupid argument anyway, regardless of how dangerous x is in y canon, Nanoha has basically bitchslapped someone the senshi haven't been able to kill while injured, which means Nanoha > then senshi in bissek's fic.á Fate fought Mars and Jupiter at once and still walked away without having to draw on any of her higher level shit, which means Fate > Mars + Jupiter.á Regardless of how much experience they may have gained fighting the Dark Kingdom its obviously not enough yet for them to go toe to toe with Nanoha or Fate alone.á Personally, I think they should have a few nice tricks of their own, but be largely hampered by their own desires to be free of a burden some talking cat placed on their heads.

That's one of the problems I have with this fic, yes. The fact that one side has been made to completely overpower the other, which is largely caused by the fact that this is first season anime Senshi without Sailor Moon vs. post-A's Nanoha verse, which is blantantly unfair, especially when there are a number of other ways to cross Nanoha and SM that are much more even, such as Arc one of the Manga.

At the very least, the Inners should have grown much, much more powerful over this year and a half in order to justify their survival.

Speaking of survival, I noticed a glaring plot hole bissek.

Jadeite has been handling the Senshi problem for the past year.

I'm sad to say this makes absolutely no sense. You see, Beryl is neither patient nor forgiving (point of fact, she's a total bitch); Jadeite had lost a dozen missions at most before being frozen for his failure, and replaced by someone else. And remember, the others have powers like, turn large numbers of random dudes into youma, which would be an I win button since the Senshi have no Moon Stick.

In addition, Nephrite still looking for the crystals make absolutely no sense. He created the item for finding them, after all. It took Zoicite five seconds to track one down using Nephrite's crystal.

In addition, they took, at most, a few months for Metaria with a consistently interrupted energy source to effect the outside world. And remember, that was because Usagi appeared as often as she did, which was because she was into fads and monsters had a habit of attacking her friends and family. If the senshi appeared as they did in canon, a year and a half later the Dark Kingdom should have taken over by now.

So I honestly can't see them surviving this long (unless they became utter badasses). Or, well, anybody else, really.

Now who's over-hyping a series over another again? You said you don't like it? News flash: We don't like you doing it too.

*Is confused*

None of what I posted involved Nanoha. It was about the Dark Kingdom flatening the Senshi without Usagi during that year and a half.

Also, all of that is canon (and Anime canon at that) feats.

So, um, I'm not sure what you're talking about?

 

[Megaolix]

This is a stupid argument anyway, regardless of how dangerous x is in y canon, Nanoha has basically bitchslapped someone the senshi haven't been able to kill while injured, which means Nanoha > then senshi in bissek's fic.á Fate fought Mars and Jupiter at once and still walked away without having to draw on any of her higher level shit, which means Fate > Mars + Jupiter.á Regardless of how much experience they may have gained fighting the Dark Kingdom its obviously not enough yet for them to go toe to toe with Nanoha or Fate alone.á Personally, I think they should have a few nice tricks of their own, but be largely hampered by their own desires to be free of a burden some talking cat placed on their heads.

That's one of the problems I have with this fic, yes. The fact that one side has been made to completely overpower the other, which is largely caused by the fact that this is first season anime Senshi without Sailor Moon vs. post-A's Nanoha verse, which is blantantly unfair, especially when there are a number of other ways to cross Nanoha and SM that are much more even, such as Arc one of the Manga.

At the very least, the Inners should have grown much, much more powerful over this year and a half in order to justify their survival.

Speaking of survival, I noticed a glaring plot hole bissek.

Jadeite has been handling the Senshi problem for the past year.

I'm sad to say this makes absolutely no sense. You see, Beryl is neither patient nor forgiving (point of fact, she's a total bitch); Jadeite had lost a dozen missions at most before being frozen for his failure, and replaced by someone else. And remember, the others have powers like, turn large numbers of random dudes into youma, which would be an I win button since the Senshi have no Moon Stick.

In addition, Nephrite still looking for the crystals make absolutely no sense. He created the item for finding them, after all. It took Zoicite five seconds to track one down using Nephrite's crystal.

In addition, they took, at most, a few months for Metaria with a consistently interrupted energy source to effect the outside world. And remember, that was because Usagi appeared as often as she did, which was because she was into fads and monsters had a habit of attacking her friends and family. If the senshi appeared as they did in canon, a year and a half later the Dark Kingdom should have taken over by now.

So I honestly can't see them surviving this long (unless they became utter badasses). Or, well, anybody else, really.

Now who's over-hyping a series over another again? You said you don't like it? News flash: We don't like you doing it too.

*Is confused*

None of what I posted involved Nanoha. It was about the Dark Kingdom flatening the Senshi without Usagi during that year and a half.

Also, all of that is canon (and Anime canon at that) feats.

So, um, I'm not sure what you're talking about?

I'm saying this for everything you're posted since the start of your fight with Nanya. That you started by saying the Senshi didn't need training, using facts and fights that didn't happen in the fic.

I don't care who is stronger canonically. I. DON'T. CARE. This is fanfiction and it was clearly written since the start that Nanoha's side is superior in this fic. God know why you started complaining now, but can you stop it?

 

[Ryuugi]

I'm borrowing elements from anime and manga as it suits me. There are no Rainbow Crystals, and no 'turn to youma' spell.

The Generals have been successful enough to avoid terminal punishments (Though those subordinates of theirs who survived the Senshi were not), but have not been successful enough to revive Metallia. But on the other side of the equation, the Senshi know that they've been successful enough to make progress towards that, which worries them.

Um, okay, but I think I should mention that the anime and manga are different to the point of being incompatible. Especially since it involves taking Anime (the weakest version of SM) season one (the weakest part of the the weakest version) SM, and making it even weaker. This becomes especially obvious since you are placing them against post season two Nanoha verse, who heavily out-number and out-gun them.

I'm sad to say, this is beginning to look a lot like one of those vs. threads that are specifically designed to bash one series.

In addition, I have to point out a flaw in your logic.

You underestimate how much of a bitch Beryl is (i.e. complete and total). For the Generals to have been successful enough to avoid terminal punishments, they would have to have been done by now. Beryl is not forgiving. Beryl is not their friend. Beryl is the reason they died in the first place, and when they came back to life she brainwashed them into being the servant of the force that killed them the first time.

Beryl was not happy with minor delays. As far as she is concerned, they should have been done yesterday, and she's the one who killed half of the Generals in Anime canon.

Jadiete for his failures.

Zoicite for hurting Tuxedo Kamen.

Like I said, she's a bitch, and she really wouldn't wait a year an a half.

Megaolix:

Um, what? No, I said the Senshi wouldn't need training because of the events in this fic, i.e. surviving a year and a half with out Usagi in the middle of hell.

Also, thank you for telling me you don't care, so allow me to return the favor. I also don't care about what you think. And 'It's Fanfiction' is not an excuse that suddenly makes everything okay, so yeah.

Which is to say no.

Moving on.

 

[marthf1]

I have to chime in & agree that the Sailor Moon universe is getting changed a bit too far for it to be merely mentioned in author's notes. I feel you might need to specifically make a prologue chapter that describes all the changes you have made. Pretty much every note has been to describe the situation with the Senshi & where they stand whereas Nanoha has very little. From quite a few comments here, on ToRSSS, & SpaceBattles, it looks like a lots of handicaps are being places on SM to balance things out.


Suggestion 2: power-down Nanoha & company but give them a lot more troops & drones. Emphasize the skill, experience, & training versus power (like not killing Jadeite instead, especially when injured). Illustrate the Nanoha cast are the best-of-the-best & Trained to Do This. Perhaps have had Precia on their side or shift her rogue status into 'enemy of my enemy is my friend'. Handwave the Numbers into existence. Show off TSAB tech. Perhaps have something that limits Metallica's dimensional abilities.

Edit: or listen to SeiyaxUsagi's later post instead.

 

[staplesdex2]

So can we put aside this argument and ask on when the next chapter is gonna come out? This whole argument could have been placed in a new thread.

 

[violetshadows]

Personally, I just find it amusing how people treat the fact that the senshi are weak to be some kind of cardinal sin - like they are somehow worse people for this shift.

Sailor Moon was practically a biladungsroman (though an achingly chauvinistic one) about an untempered young girl who finds love and inner strength. Since Usagi isn't our protagonist and Nanoha is pretty fleshed out and down to earth as a character it isn't suprsing that the senshi are being portrayed as somewhat ameturistic - someone needs to grow beyond simply the size of the mountain they can wreck and given our lists of characters, early senshi are probably our best bet for division under stress and then later interpersonal development.

 

[marthf1]

staplesdex2, considering the point of this forum....
Crossovers get a lot of flack for the reasons we are witnessing.

violetshadows, well this happens when you have two series about magic that are long & complete. At least this isn't with a Type-Moon series - apparently quite a few people can get quite technical & thorough about it.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

The Problem I`m having is this isn`t SM animeverse anymore. This shares nothing with the anime anymore. This is mangaverse in all but name and power levels.

Anime and Mangaverse are vastly different canons that are pretty incompatible Considering Bissek has already thrown out nearly every big issue in the anime and pretty much consistently referenced manga details,( Lack of Rainbow Crystals, Beryl not being kill happy, lack of the killing Ginzuishou, the lack of the Black Crystal, lack of Metallia not waking up by now). So Power level really doesn't make sense at this point.

Sailor Moon was practically a biladungsroman (though an achingly chauvinistic one) about an untempered young girl who finds love and inner strength. Since Usagi isn't our protagonist and Nanoha is pretty fleshed out and down to earth as a character it isn't suprsing that the senshi are being portrayed as somewhat ameturistic - someone needs to grow beyond simply the size of the mountain they can wreck and given our lists of characters, early senshi are probably our best bet for division under stress and then later interpersonal development.

Um...What separates SM from the dozens of shounen in which girls are just fan service? Other then the gender swap? It`s pretty girls in Space as its base concept not Pretty Girls and Boys in Space. It was targeted at Teenage girls of course it is going to focus on them.

 

[violetshadows]

The Problem I`m having is this isn`t SM animeverse anymore. This shares nothing with the anime anymore. This is mangaverse in all but name and power levels.

Anime and Mangaverse are vastly different canons that are pretty incompatible Considering Bissek has already thrown out nearly every big issue in the anime and pretty much consistently referenced manga details,( Lack of Rainbow Crystals, Beryl not being kill happy, lack of the killing Ginzuishou, the lack of the Black Crystal, lack of Metallia not waking up by now). So Power level really doesn't make sense at this point.

Sailor Moon was practically a biladungsroman (though an achingly chauvinistic one) about an untempered young girl who finds love and inner strength. Since Usagi isn't our protagonist and Nanoha is pretty fleshed out and down to earth as a character it isn't suprsing that the senshi are being portrayed as somewhat ameturistic - someone needs to grow beyond simply the size of the mountain they can wreck and given our lists of characters, early senshi are probably our best bet for division under stress and then later interpersonal development.

Um...What separates SM from the dozens of shounen in which girls are just fan service? Other then the gender swap? It`s pretty girls in Space as its base concept not Pretty Girls and Boys in Space. It was targeted at Teenage girls of course it is going to focus on them.

...I'm not really sure from your comment, what your problem is with my previous statement. It's not that I have anything against sailor moon as a barebones concept, ie. pretty girls protecting people against space monsters; I just think its presentation has some ugly implications for what its saying are acceptable and admirable female gender roles.

I mean, who are our heroines: a smart woman who wants to grow up to be what amounts to a healer, a priestess, a pop idol, I'm pretty sure Pluto had the dream of being a fashion designer and of course Usagi whose biggest dream besides insuring that everyone doesn't die horribly, seems to be marriage. Maybe I'm seeing things from a different generation, but I just wish we could have role models for children that encouraged them to think outside the box: why couldn't Ami be a scientist, she'd make a great astrophysist and it would prove the women can make great strides in mathematics. Even today there are women who still do poorly on mathematic tests, because of cultural biases.

Throughout much of sailor moon we never see women really breaking out of the traditional roles and one of the few times we really do with Uranus and her racing, what happens but she's given an extrodinarily masculine character design and clearly crossdresses, thereby reaffirming the sterotype: it's like saying she can't be a woman with these interests and instead has to masqurade as a man.

I wont even go into the obvious fetish feeling inherent in their costumes.

This is a bit off topic for this area, so we can debate this across pm if you want, but I just think that as a story that's largely designed as not just entertainment, but almost a kind of social education, that it could do more to encourage the desegregation of the sexes.

To be honest, it probably just rubs me the wrong way because I'm looking at a two decade old Japanesse anime with the perspective of a modern day American: too much cultural dissonance.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

My comment was it being chauvinistic. It's a shoujo. It's supposed to embrace everything girly and make it into something to be proud of. Just seems like you have been hit with the case of the <a href='http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealWomenNeverWearDresses' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Real Women Never Wear Dresses trope.</a>

Setsuna, is also a well respected physics student in KO University who was considered a genius by nearly everyone who went there and also a certified Nurse. She was also called to several meetings about unnatural phenomena by Japan's scientists. But it was not her passion in life.

Usagi's a romantic girl. She wants a happy life. Yeah she was designed to be simple. Please remember her goal for a season was to have a cool boyfriend and worked hard to get one. At the end of the she's just a average 14 year old girl. She doesn't get the best grades as well as a bit of a glutton but she's the best friend you could ask for. She's compassionate and always there when it counts. Her dreams changed, yeah she wants a peace filled life and get married but willing to her own dreams aside for everyone else on the planet.

Ami and Hotaru shares the same dream as Mamoru. They both want to be doctors and heal people. I don't really see what's so wrong about that. They've also been surrounded by a lot of death and destruction which makes a lot of sense that they'd aim for that profession. Hotaru and Mamoru especially who both had healing powers.

Rei loathes men excluding her grandpa. We've consistently seen her reasons for it and finds happiness in being a Miko. She's happy in her life. She threw away a life of settling down and finding a boyfriend because it just wasn't her.

Uranus actually likes mini skirts and wears the Female uniform once everyone finds out she's a woman.

They were supposed to be a bunch of average teenage girls with average dreams forced with a huge burden. That's the whole gimmick in mahou shoujo. It's pretty and girly and they're still going to work tooth and nail to achieve whatever dreams they have. That's what made them relatable. Just like every Shoujo Magical Girl series, Doremi, Tokyo Mew Mew, Full Moon Wo Sagashite, Mermaid Melody Pitchi Pitchi Pitch did the same and the dozens of Mahou Shoujo that came before Sailor Moon.


Also as for the Fukus The editors made Naoko put them in.

Edit: Sailor Moon was aimed at teenagers. Not little kids.

 

[BloodRevan]

Err, you realize altering the Senshi's power levels as you wish would require a rewrite of Chapter 3, if not the entire story.

With the pincer attack in the alley, if the Senshi are more at canon levels, here's what likely happens:

Fate tries to block, being a mere mortal, this is a bad idea. Both go through her shields, surely I don't need to explain the end result? Don't think I need to... But, of course, being that you'd rather their power levels be somewhat closer to the manga, where, Mars turned Jadeite into a charred skeleton right after awakening. You know how hot fire's got to be to do that? Me neither, but I expect it to be pretty goddamn hot! That plus one year and six months, her fire's likely hot enough that that by the time it get's to Fate's shield, the heat has already killed her, and hopefully that fool Mau who's idea this was, convention is a bitch most movie/tv script writers seem to forget exists. Anyone who doesn't know what it is should read the final scene in Chapter 18 of Naruto Genkyouien.

Perhaps Fate realizes the dangers of Fire Soul before it closes in enough to barbaque her and strengthens her shield enough that it protects her from both the fire and it's heat. But she still has Supreme Thunder to deal with, and I kind of expect it to have barrier peircing qualities by nature. Perhaps Fate expected her own mana conversion affinity to help negate enemy lightning damage. Unfortunately, the enemy spellcaster is a biologically immortal psuedo-divine being who is, more or less, the avatar of the planet Jupiter. Even if her mana

conversion affinity would protect against lightning damage, which I don't think it does, it will not be helping her in this ambush. Lightning strikes have so many wonderful effects (That's sarcasm, if you couldn't tell), <a href='http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1999/essd18jun99_1/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>take a look at the bottom of this page</a> and pity Fate if some of this was to happen to her. Doesn't really matter if she blocks Fire Soul, as that shield drops when Supreme Thunder hits, either way, she's dead. If she'd flown out the moment they cast she'd have likely survived, but choosing to block instead gets her killed.

Now it can go multiple ways... But either way, for this story, Luna, Mars, and Jupiter just made it onto TVtropes' Fanworks <a href='http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Monster/FanWorks' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Complete Monster</a> page on assumed information.

Idealistic way, and most likely way considering the shows/manga being dealt with, Nanoha gets to watch two unknown mages murder her closest friend. At which point horror and grief cause the manifestion of the Maboroshi no Ginzuishou, with which she raises Fate and Arf. Here starts the very necessary, very violent beating of Luna, Mars, and Jupiter by a very pissed off Sailor Beamspam. After moral is improved by continued beatings, Nanoha and Fate mobilize the TSAB and the Dark Kingdom goes bye bye. Following this, NanoFate return to Midchilda, have the Ginzuishou cataloged and placed wherever Lost Logia go and try to get on with their lives. Wondering whether they took the communicator with
them or not is pointless, as like the Time Gate in that omake, it is likely incapable of connecting to them.

Cynical way, Fate and Arf dead, Nanoha gets to watch this, but is too late to help. She proceeds to get the incantation for Raising Heart correct, and blasts the Senshi with Divine Buster. Unfortunately, like Fate before her, she's using mortal magic, as opposed to the Chaos originated magic all the Senshis' foes use and does as much damage as damage to them as a Hyper Beam on a Ghost-type pokemon. This ineffective attack is followed her trying a Starlight Breaker, which considering the strand it places on her Linker Core, does not get fired. According to SeiyaxUsagi Mamoru has healing powers, which I did not know, but assuming he has them first season, they carry Nanoha to his place, where Mamoru tries to heal her but fails one or more of three reasons, one; because he needs knowledge of what needs to be healed and she's physically fine and like all Earth-based doctors has no knowledge of a Linker Core, two; damage to her Linker Core is so severe that her body is rejecting any and all types of magic, trying to heal just speeds up her death. Number three; Nanoha's still half conscious, no idea what's going on, but knows she's in the custody of those who killed Fate, and is ignoring her instinctive desire to trust them, believing it to be some kind of mind magic, and is actively fighting against all attempts to heal her. A few hours of this and she slips away. Nothing more should need be said...

BAD END

I don't know about the rest of you, but I find I kind of like thinking up ways one little choice could damn a world.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Dude. Honestly if this went mangaverse. Several things would have occurred.

Manga senshi wouldn't be as exhausted since they can beat the Shittenou one on one besides Kunzite. The Dark Kingdom would also not have as much broken resources as they did in the anime. A Year and a half they'd probably be able to stand firm pretty easily.

Manga Venus disguised herself as Moon Princess as distraction for the senshi and the Dark Kingdom on her own. She would also have the Blade of the silver crystal which was imbued with some of its properties, including healing to my memory. It had a power similar enough to trick Metalia and Brainwashed Endymion.

The Inners wouldn't be this radically OOC and neither would Luna. Especially Luna, who actually had enough sense in manga and anime to investigate people a lot more then people assume.

 

[violetshadows]

You know what we really need to know: hey bissek, is this still crack or serious fiction?

 

[Mercsenary]

You know what we really need to know: hey bissek, is this still crack or serious fiction?

The very concept of MGLN/SM is made of crack.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Even today there are women who still do poorly on mathematic tests, because of cultural biases.

How the hell does "cultural bias" come into doing poorly in math? I flunked math twice and you don't see me claiming that it only happened because 'my culture has it in for me!' - I just fucking suck at math, is all.

So, what, are you suggesting that we need to "account" for women when it comes to mathematics and give them "more feminine" math tests? Like test men in algebra and women in simple addition and subtraction?

Way to double standard.

 

[nick012000]

Even today there are women who still do poorly on mathematic tests, because of cultural biases.

How the hell does "cultural bias" come into doing poorly in math? I flunked math twice and you don't see me claiming that it only happened because 'my culture has it in for me!' - I just fucking suck at math, is all.

So, what, are you suggesting that we need to "account" for women when it comes to mathematics and give them "more feminine" math tests? Like test men in algebra and women in simple addition and subtraction?

Way to double standard.

IIRC, because the girls don't think they'll be any good at it/don't see any point in putting the effort into it/see it as ungirly/whatever, so they don't put the effort into it to actually succeed.

 

[Mercsenary]

Even today there are women who still do poorly on mathematic tests, because of cultural biases.

How the hell does "cultural bias" come into doing poorly in math? I flunked math twice and you don't see me claiming that it only happened because 'my culture has it in for me!' - I just fucking suck at math, is all.

So, what, are you suggesting that we need to "account" for women when it comes to mathematics and give them "more feminine" math tests? Like test men in algebra and women in simple addition and subtraction?

Way to double standard.

Whoa.

A little defensive there buddy.

He's just saying that traditionally women score lower on math standards because of stigma associated it with it through the culture they grew up in.

You know the "wife stays at home and makes babies" kind of mentality.

 

[violetshadows]

Even today there are women who still do poorly on mathematic tests, because of cultural biases.

How the hell does "cultural bias" come into doing poorly in math? I flunked math twice and you don't see me claiming that it only happened because 'my culture has it in for me!' - I just fucking suck at math, is all.

So, what, are you suggesting that we need to "account" for women when it comes to mathematics and give them "more feminine" math tests? Like test men in algebra and women in simple addition and subtraction?

Way to double standard.

Whoa.

A little defensive there buddy.

He's just saying that traditionally women score lower on math standards because of stigma associated it with it through the culture they grew up in.

You know the "wife stays at home and makes babies" kind of mentality.

Yeah see above; it's been a while since I've seen the study, but they took a sample of woman who were to take a math test and compared it to the scores of another sample of women who were told beforehand that statstically women often did poorer in mathmatics then men; the result was the women who were prepped with this cultural biases did worse then the control group. Overall, it was used as a demonstration of why we need to fight the perception that science and math is more of a 'masculine' field.

 

[Ryuugi]

Even today there are women who still do poorly on mathematic tests, because of cultural biases.

How the hell does "cultural bias" come into doing poorly in math? I flunked math twice and you don't see me claiming that it only happened because 'my culture has it in for me!' - I just fucking suck at math, is all.

So, what, are you suggesting that we need to "account" for women when it comes to mathematics and give them "more feminine" math tests? Like test men in algebra and women in simple addition and subtraction?

Way to double standard.

Whoa.

A little defensive there buddy.

He's just saying that traditionally women score lower on math standards because of stigma associated it with it through the culture they grew up in.

You know the "wife stays at home and makes babies" kind of mentality.

Yeah see above; it's been a while since I've seen the study, but they took a sample of woman who were to take a math test and compared it to the scores of another sample of women who were told beforehand that statstically women often did poorer in mathmatics then men; the result was the women who were prepped with this cultural biases did worse then the control group. Overall, it was used as a demonstration of why we need to fight the perception that science and math is more of a 'masculine' field.

And was it ever proven the same wasn't true of men told the reverse? It seems to me that's more of a mental thing.

 

[violetshadows]

Even today there are women who still do poorly on mathematic tests, because of cultural biases.

How the hell does "cultural bias" come into doing poorly in math? I flunked math twice and you don't see me claiming that it only happened because 'my culture has it in for me!' - I just fucking suck at math, is all.

So, what, are you suggesting that we need to "account" for women when it comes to mathematics and give them "more feminine" math tests? Like test men in algebra and women in simple addition and subtraction?

Way to double standard.

Whoa.

A little defensive there buddy.

He's just saying that traditionally women score lower on math standards because of stigma associated it with it through the culture they grew up in.

You know the "wife stays at home and makes babies" kind of mentality.

Yeah see above; it's been a while since I've seen the study, but they took a sample of woman who were to take a math test and compared it to the scores of another sample of women who were told beforehand that statstically women often did poorer in mathmatics then men; the result was the women who were prepped with this cultural biases did worse then the control group. Overall, it was used as a demonstration of why we need to fight the perception that science and math is more of a 'masculine' field.

And was it ever proven the same wasn't true of men told the reverse? It seems to me that's more of a mental thing.

Someone's probably done a study on it, but if they have I haven't seen it. It's not so much that this is a phenomenon unique to women though, because all minds can be primed that way and along similiar lines such as regards ambiguous drawings and tests involving recollection - rather, it simply illustrates that there is a strong bias and a need to address this issue.

Let me put it this way, if I tell you someone's going to come and kill you in the middle of the night you'd probably blow me off and think nothing of it. If you thought there was some truth to it though: for example you heard there was a serial killer moving around two cities over and I said the same thing, you might be momentarily convinced that the shadows moving across your window was a face.

People are suggestible, but women shouldn't be that suggestible; the fact that they are indicates the presence of a serious, debilitating bias present in the women in the sample.

If you're really interested I can probably go dig the study up; it shouldn't be too technical.

Edit: I didn't want to skim the whole paper, but from the abstract this looks like the study or at least a similar one

Link:

<a href='http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/carnegie/learning_resources/LAW_PGCHE/SteeleandQuinnStereotypeThreat.pdf' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/carnegie/learnin...otypeThreat.pdf</a>