The White Devil of the Moon Prologue
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Hrm. A simple solution is to have Metallia recognize Nanoha and Fate as TSAB agents early on, and jam the dimensional communication channels to keep them from alerting anyone to what's going on or summoning reinforcements.
And so Nanoha & Fate are utterly cut off from help, at least until they're long enough overdue getting back from leave that their friends start wondering what's wrong.
If things go pear-shaped enough, Nanoha & Fate are even cut off from anything that would prove their case about this 'TSAB' to the Inner Senshi, who have to wonder who this strange blonde woman is that seems bound and determined to keep them away from their princess. Perhaps she's a youma ally who weakened and bound the princess and is keeping her deluded? Perhaps they should rescue her?
And so Nanoha & Fate are utterly cut off from help, at least until they're long enough overdue getting back from leave that their friends start wondering what's wrong.
If things go pear-shaped enough, Nanoha & Fate are even cut off from anything that would prove their case about this 'TSAB' to the Inner Senshi, who have to wonder who this strange blonde woman is that seems bound and determined to keep them away from their princess. Perhaps she's a youma ally who weakened and bound the princess and is keeping her deluded? Perhaps they should rescue her?
No one currently remembers who the princess is or what she might look like. Heck they thought Venus was Serenity for a while.
Anyhow at this stage the 'Inner' Senshi would have no problem working with either Nanoha or Fate, or disbelieving them on the existence of the TSAB. Though frankly without Usagi there to serve as their heart and soul it's doubtful that any of them will be working together anyhow if they somehow manage to become Senshi which is somewhat doubtful anyway. A mixture of Usagi/Luna's presence (depending on whether or not your using the anime or manga) and being attacked by a Youma or Dark General was apparently needed for them to reactivate their Senshi powers in which case they'll already consider Nanona and Fate, outside of Venus anyway, as their sempi.
Anyhow at this stage the 'Inner' Senshi would have no problem working with either Nanoha or Fate, or disbelieving them on the existence of the TSAB. Though frankly without Usagi there to serve as their heart and soul it's doubtful that any of them will be working together anyhow if they somehow manage to become Senshi which is somewhat doubtful anyway. A mixture of Usagi/Luna's presence (depending on whether or not your using the anime or manga) and being attacked by a Youma or Dark General was apparently needed for them to reactivate their Senshi powers in which case they'll already consider Nanona and Fate, outside of Venus anyway, as their sempi.
Might I point out that Power =/= Ability to travel/govern multiple dimensions?Think about this for a moment;
1. In SM, each major Celestial Body has its own Senshi. Even minor Celestial Bodies sometimes have their own Senshi. We can henceforth safely assume that each star system in the galaxy has at least one Senshi.
2. For Galaxia to wipe out all life in the Milky Way Galaxy, she would have had to fight and destroy two hundred BILLION other Senshi, at least. And that's not counting stars with multiple planets or moons.
Now, perhaps the TSAB has two hundred billion or more mages and the pathetically small number we saw in the battle for the TSAB Capital World in StrikerS was just a coincidence. Maybe Jail just struck at the right time when 99.999999% of the population was offworld Mid-Childa. I don't know, maybe the TSAB managed to amass that much in less than a century of existence.
But. . . I'm thinking it's just more probable that the TSAB merely broke the barrier to fourth-dimensional travel. You know, like sliders. It doesn't mean they're that powerful in combat.
Mind you, traveling through the fourth dimension (time) isn't exactly new for spaceships; that's basically what all FTL travel is about. MSLN just took one step further.
Shiakou said:
Might I point out that Power =/= Ability to travel/govern multiple dimensions?Think about this for a moment;
1. In SM, each major Celestial Body has its own Senshi. Even minor Celestial Bodies sometimes have their own Senshi. We can henceforth safely assume that each star system in the galaxy has at least one Senshi.
2. For Galaxia to wipe out all life in the Milky Way Galaxy, she would have had to fight and destroy two hundred BILLION other Senshi, at least. And that's not counting stars with multiple planets or moons.
Now, perhaps the TSAB has two hundred billion or more mages and the pathetically small number we saw in the battle for the TSAB Capital World in StrikerS was just a coincidence. Maybe Jail just struck at the right time when 99.999999% of the population was offworld Mid-Childa. I don't know, maybe the TSAB managed to amass that much in less than a century of existence.
But. . . I'm thinking it's just more probable that the TSAB merely broke the barrier to fourth-dimensional travel. You know, like sliders. It doesn't mean they're that powerful in combat.
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I'd think the TSAB would really be dropping the ball if they just left her alone. Galaxia is killing planets while stealing it's reset buttons, arrogantly holing herself at place the SMverse god is located and being publicly backed by the root of all evil.
I'd understand if they tried and failed but just ignoring her doesn't seem to make sense.
I'd understand if they tried and failed but just ignoring her doesn't seem to make sense.
Chuckg said:
Hrm. A simple solution is to have Metallia recognize Nanoha and Fate as TSAB agents early on, and jam the dimensional communication channels to keep them from alerting anyone to what's going on or summoning reinforcements.
And so Nanoha & Fate are utterly cut off from help, at least until they're long enough overdue getting back from leave that their friends start wondering what's wrong.
If things go pear-shaped enough, Nanoha & Fate are even cut off from anything that would prove their case about this 'TSAB' to the Inner Senshi, who have to wonder who this strange blonde woman is that seems bound and determined to keep them away from their princess. Perhaps she's a youma ally who weakened and bound the princess and is keeping her deluded? Perhaps they should rescue her?
And so Nanoha & Fate are utterly cut off from help, at least until they're long enough overdue getting back from leave that their friends start wondering what's wrong.
If things go pear-shaped enough, Nanoha & Fate are even cut off from anything that would prove their case about this 'TSAB' to the Inner Senshi, who have to wonder who this strange blonde woman is that seems bound and determined to keep them away from their princess. Perhaps she's a youma ally who weakened and bound the princess and is keeping her deluded? Perhaps they should rescue her?
D
Just a mention The Silver Millennium was Pre-Evolution when it fell and lasted for millenniums before that. Metallia just damaged and poisoned earth so much during her brief stint on earth that it once again go through the process of evolution.
The Moon Kingdom on the other hand was damaged so much that it couldn't bring itself back until Usagi unlocked the Ginzuishou.
The Moon Kingdom on the other hand was damaged so much that it couldn't bring itself back until Usagi unlocked the Ginzuishou.
Minor brainstorm surge.
Taking a cue from the Deva series, what if the legend of Al Hazard was actually born from the history of an Earth-based Magical Kingdom, which lasted for millenia, had obscenely high technological and magical levels, and was eventually destroyed by elements of it's own hubris.
Of course, I'm talking about the Silver Millenium. Dimension-hopping and time-travel isn't particularly new in the SM-verse either, after all.
Taking a cue from the Deva series, what if the legend of Al Hazard was actually born from the history of an Earth-based Magical Kingdom, which lasted for millenia, had obscenely high technological and magical levels, and was eventually destroyed by elements of it's own hubris.
Of course, I'm talking about the Silver Millenium. Dimension-hopping and time-travel isn't particularly new in the SM-verse either, after all.
Sounds good to me. The very best types of crossovers blend the various bits of background from all series involved. By having Nanoha also be a reincarnation of the Princess things are already AU, so mix and match as best as possible to make both series fit together without seriously nerfing/raping one series or the other.
As was pointed out, Canon Sailor Moon, both Anime and Manga has a history dating back way further than that of the TSAB of the Nanoha series. Hell, canon has it that the TSAB as it is now has only been around for less than 100 years, with lots of chaos and war going back for a few centuries before that and little else before that being concrete from a historical point of view ( Vivid has Lucetia showing off several historical texts and explaining that most historians have conflicting opinions on the events of Ancient Belka, which is relatively recent compared to the SM Canon, or even the legend of Al Hazard )
One Question: For the sake of convenience Nanoha's breakdown and injuries happened a few years later than canon; does this mean that the stuff that happened Post A's and Pre-Strikers have also been moved forward ( The airport fire that happened when the Aces were all 15 and rescued Suburu and Ginga and stuff that comes from that event ) or will all that stuff be thrown out the window for the sake of making a new timeline? Kinda like the second option for this story, cause the idea of Jail being inspired by the stuff from the SM continuity kinda scares me.
As was pointed out, Canon Sailor Moon, both Anime and Manga has a history dating back way further than that of the TSAB of the Nanoha series. Hell, canon has it that the TSAB as it is now has only been around for less than 100 years, with lots of chaos and war going back for a few centuries before that and little else before that being concrete from a historical point of view ( Vivid has Lucetia showing off several historical texts and explaining that most historians have conflicting opinions on the events of Ancient Belka, which is relatively recent compared to the SM Canon, or even the legend of Al Hazard )
One Question: For the sake of convenience Nanoha's breakdown and injuries happened a few years later than canon; does this mean that the stuff that happened Post A's and Pre-Strikers have also been moved forward ( The airport fire that happened when the Aces were all 15 and rescued Suburu and Ginga and stuff that comes from that event ) or will all that stuff be thrown out the window for the sake of making a new timeline? Kinda like the second option for this story, cause the idea of Jail being inspired by the stuff from the SM continuity kinda scares me.
True, but if you don't want the plot complications, then it could be anything that Nanoha was fighting when she collapsed. Or Jail could have been exposed sooner.
After all, Nanoha is Princess Serenity now... perhaps that's enough of a change to have subtly effected the TSAB, so that it was slightly more honest/cleaned up after she got there? (The Butterfly Effect works in mysterious ways! And Usagi is supposed to have inspiration superpowers anyway, no?) Enough to keep Jail Scagletti from being as large a problem as he was in canon? (Obviously not enough to prevent the whole Book of Darkness fiasco, natch.)
There are ways!
Edit: Or, if you want to play it for laughs, the events of 'White Devil of the Moon' play out to the very end, with all of the action revolving around Nanoha coming into her own as Queen Serenity and defeating Beryl & Metallia, and the last chapter is her returning to Midchilda to explain what's gone on and that she's going to be having a new job on Earth... and then the Numbers show up and the events of StrikerS begin!
... and come to a screaming, curbstomped halt as the added firepower of Neo-Queen Nanoha (and the Silver Imperium Plot Device) and the manga Senshi all alonside the regular StrikerS cast means that was once a 25 episode epic arc is now a 25 minute one sided ass-whuppin'.
Jail Scagletti -- "What the hell do you mean I'm the humorous epilogue?!? My contract said major arc villain, dammit! ARC! VILLAIN! Damn you, I'll sue!"
Now if you want real nightmare fuel... if the Silver Imperium was Al Hazard, then what about Precia Testarossa? What if Metallia got hold of her after she fell down the dimensional hole? After all, Fate is neither Princess Serenity nor one of the Senshi, and yet she's going to be in the story... so, a major personal element tied to her?
Dark General Precia could prove to be infinitely more dangerous than Queen Beryl ever thought of being.
After all, Nanoha is Princess Serenity now... perhaps that's enough of a change to have subtly effected the TSAB, so that it was slightly more honest/cleaned up after she got there? (The Butterfly Effect works in mysterious ways! And Usagi is supposed to have inspiration superpowers anyway, no?) Enough to keep Jail Scagletti from being as large a problem as he was in canon? (Obviously not enough to prevent the whole Book of Darkness fiasco, natch.)
There are ways!
Edit: Or, if you want to play it for laughs, the events of 'White Devil of the Moon' play out to the very end, with all of the action revolving around Nanoha coming into her own as Queen Serenity and defeating Beryl & Metallia, and the last chapter is her returning to Midchilda to explain what's gone on and that she's going to be having a new job on Earth... and then the Numbers show up and the events of StrikerS begin!
... and come to a screaming, curbstomped halt as the added firepower of Neo-Queen Nanoha (and the Silver Imperium Plot Device) and the manga Senshi all alonside the regular StrikerS cast means that was once a 25 episode epic arc is now a 25 minute one sided ass-whuppin'.
Jail Scagletti -- "What the hell do you mean I'm the humorous epilogue?!? My contract said major arc villain, dammit! ARC! VILLAIN! Damn you, I'll sue!"
Now if you want real nightmare fuel... if the Silver Imperium was Al Hazard, then what about Precia Testarossa? What if Metallia got hold of her after she fell down the dimensional hole? After all, Fate is neither Princess Serenity nor one of the Senshi, and yet she's going to be in the story... so, a major personal element tied to her?
Dark General Precia could prove to be infinitely more dangerous than Queen Beryl ever thought of being.
Given the TSAB High Council's characterization as either Well-Intentioned Extremists or Anti-Villains/Heroes. . .
Plot bunny:
Jail Scaglietti was a junior member of the original founders of the TSAB. Ambitious and ruthless (part of the Mid-Childian Civil War after all, no one gets away without losing something), yet at the core a kind and caring ideologist who advocated a strong military power base to protect the (combat-wise) weak civilians and intellectual researchers who form most of the population.
The Original Founders, including Scaglietti, fought the last great Mid-Childian Civil War. To their horror, they then found the cause of the war: Chaos. They manage to defeat Chaos' agents only through great personal and moral sacrifice. The formerly Lawful Good founders, forced through the violent struggle, became the extremely <s>Chaotic</s> Neutral Good High Council (as in willing to break their own laws and commit atrocities in order to achieve peace and prosperity). By the way, this was generally the time they became brains in jars, their original bodies being too ravaged by the battles against Chaos to survive.
They chose Jail as their "field man", the guy who did the hands-on, dirty work. Unfortunately, Jail did not survive his battle with Chaos unscathed either. Ever so slowly, Chaos devoured him from the inside-out until all that was left was the cyborg Jail Scaglietti we know today. (Think Warhammer 40K chaotic corruption.) Like Professor Tomoe, Jail became a soulless, insane, shadow of his former self.
Thus, the backstory; Jail was subconsciously driven by Chaos to target Nanoha, thus her injuries.
Plot bunny:
Jail Scaglietti was a junior member of the original founders of the TSAB. Ambitious and ruthless (part of the Mid-Childian Civil War after all, no one gets away without losing something), yet at the core a kind and caring ideologist who advocated a strong military power base to protect the (combat-wise) weak civilians and intellectual researchers who form most of the population.
The Original Founders, including Scaglietti, fought the last great Mid-Childian Civil War. To their horror, they then found the cause of the war: Chaos. They manage to defeat Chaos' agents only through great personal and moral sacrifice. The formerly Lawful Good founders, forced through the violent struggle, became the extremely <s>Chaotic</s> Neutral Good High Council (as in willing to break their own laws and commit atrocities in order to achieve peace and prosperity). By the way, this was generally the time they became brains in jars, their original bodies being too ravaged by the battles against Chaos to survive.
They chose Jail as their "field man", the guy who did the hands-on, dirty work. Unfortunately, Jail did not survive his battle with Chaos unscathed either. Ever so slowly, Chaos devoured him from the inside-out until all that was left was the cyborg Jail Scaglietti we know today. (Think Warhammer 40K chaotic corruption.) Like Professor Tomoe, Jail became a soulless, insane, shadow of his former self.
Thus, the backstory; Jail was subconsciously driven by Chaos to target Nanoha, thus her injuries.