Ranma ½ To Curse or not to Curse
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Here's a idea you could use for the curse. Have the Ranma who gets summoned be from post battle with Saffron but before getting home. Ranma been exposed too large amounts of magical energy due too the Dragon Tap.
The summoning Magic the last bit too cause him turobles turning Ranma not only into a girl but due too the left over magic fromt he Mushrooms of Time one who looks around 7 or 8. Then Louise binds the still slightly dazed Ranma an the runes appears causeing more changes.
Now Ranma's curse works like so, When touching a weapon the magic in Ranma is focused too enhanceing him an giveing him the knowlage and skills too use said weapon plus it turns him back too his right age an gender. When Ranma's not touching a weapon the magic flows thru his body triggering the curse's magic along with it being slightly effected by the mushroom's magic. Ranma's girl side ages keeps jumping around between 7 to 16.
Just a Idea That I had that might work out for your story.
The summoning Magic the last bit too cause him turobles turning Ranma not only into a girl but due too the left over magic fromt he Mushrooms of Time one who looks around 7 or 8. Then Louise binds the still slightly dazed Ranma an the runes appears causeing more changes.
Now Ranma's curse works like so, When touching a weapon the magic in Ranma is focused too enhanceing him an giveing him the knowlage and skills too use said weapon plus it turns him back too his right age an gender. When Ranma's not touching a weapon the magic flows thru his body triggering the curse's magic along with it being slightly effected by the mushroom's magic. Ranma's girl side ages keeps jumping around between 7 to 16.
Just a Idea That I had that might work out for your story.
Personally I think the magical shenanigans makes it too complicated to talk about in terms of "sexism"; we're hunting space whales at that point.
There are a couple things I would like to consider, though.
How does the Gandalfr runes compare to the Mark Of The Fierce War God?
Also, there are so many stories where Saito gets replaced with some other character, and then the story of ZnT is rehashed from there.
No. Saito is a normal boy, with parents. Parents who would worry and fret over his disappearance. Parents who, living in Nerima, would lend credulity to the stories of witnesses, that he vanished into thin air. Parents who, desperate, petition even their local city councilman, Tendo Soun, for help.
Incredibly, the "reverse summoning" spell developed by Gosunkugi (maybe Cologne, maybe scammed from Happi) works, and now it's up to Ranma (as Soun's errand boy and patsy) to blunder his way across the continent, find Saito, and trigger the "return", resulting in the tearful reunion of the sundered family.
There are a couple things I would like to consider, though.
How does the Gandalfr runes compare to the Mark Of The Fierce War God?
Also, there are so many stories where Saito gets replaced with some other character, and then the story of ZnT is rehashed from there.
No. Saito is a normal boy, with parents. Parents who would worry and fret over his disappearance. Parents who, living in Nerima, would lend credulity to the stories of witnesses, that he vanished into thin air. Parents who, desperate, petition even their local city councilman, Tendo Soun, for help.
Incredibly, the "reverse summoning" spell developed by Gosunkugi (maybe Cologne, maybe scammed from Happi) works, and now it's up to Ranma (as Soun's errand boy and patsy) to blunder his way across the continent, find Saito, and trigger the "return", resulting in the tearful reunion of the sundered family.
Like I said more than worring about Ranma being forced to the old cliche that the curse is worst that some lovecraftian monster, incredible hard to remove and capable of mutating into some fucked up monster curse just to annoy the hero more than it already has, I thin he should worry more about a good reason for him to stick with Louise.
Like I said in many ways she's like Akane but she doesn't has the bonus of being liked by Ranma yet, so she would need something to keep him wanting to help and protect her.
The whole being her familiar forces him to obey her doesnt really seems to be enforced in the novels that much, hell he tries to fool around quite a bit even when he's already admited that he's in love with her.
Which to be honest is quite typical for this kind of stories, I liked the approach used in Hill of Swords not only made the Master/familiar relationship actually work, the mutual respect helped both characters to grow up and change, something that is sorely missed in the original story at times.
Someone needs to be the adult here IMHO at least in the begining, thats why I recommended an older Ranma one that coule be convinced that helping her would be convenient and later realize that his help is sorely needed.
I still think that he's quite broken in many ways for the ZNT world as he is by the end of the manga, giving him any of the parts of God abilities would only make him even worse, which could be bad since we would probably roll over a lot of the problems here.
But then again this could be used like this lets say that the Gandarf mark gives you the power and ability boost to use things like a weapon like amaster, but there's a litmit to it so if you're already skilled with such weapon you mostly get the power boost that way lets say Saito has a 10/10 of ability and power using a sword and being a gandarf boosts that to 110/110 with the limit of suck boost being something close to 200/200 so her comes Ranma he has like 150/150 so rathe than making it 250/250 he only get 200/200 as the higger boost he can get from the mark the rest of it has to be trained and earned, something that I sure he would like better.
While I'm quite sure that he wouln't refuse a power ability boost I do think that he would be more at ease if he has to train to refine and develop more that boost.
Like I said in many ways she's like Akane but she doesn't has the bonus of being liked by Ranma yet, so she would need something to keep him wanting to help and protect her.
The whole being her familiar forces him to obey her doesnt really seems to be enforced in the novels that much, hell he tries to fool around quite a bit even when he's already admited that he's in love with her.
Which to be honest is quite typical for this kind of stories, I liked the approach used in Hill of Swords not only made the Master/familiar relationship actually work, the mutual respect helped both characters to grow up and change, something that is sorely missed in the original story at times.
Someone needs to be the adult here IMHO at least in the begining, thats why I recommended an older Ranma one that coule be convinced that helping her would be convenient and later realize that his help is sorely needed.
I still think that he's quite broken in many ways for the ZNT world as he is by the end of the manga, giving him any of the parts of God abilities would only make him even worse, which could be bad since we would probably roll over a lot of the problems here.
But then again this could be used like this lets say that the Gandarf mark gives you the power and ability boost to use things like a weapon like amaster, but there's a litmit to it so if you're already skilled with such weapon you mostly get the power boost that way lets say Saito has a 10/10 of ability and power using a sword and being a gandarf boosts that to 110/110 with the limit of suck boost being something close to 200/200 so her comes Ranma he has like 150/150 so rathe than making it 250/250 he only get 200/200 as the higger boost he can get from the mark the rest of it has to be trained and earned, something that I sure he would like better.
While I'm quite sure that he wouln't refuse a power ability boost I do think that he would be more at ease if he has to train to refine and develop more that boost.
so... the thing is, in the traditional concept of conjuration, you had to barter away your soul in exchange for a familiar.
Why? Because in order to get something, you have to pay for it. The magicians are demanding lifetime service, without even the possibility of vacation, to your family it's the same as if you died. How much money would you have to be offered to agree?
But these cats don't offer anything. It's slavery; they reach out with their magic and kidnap someone and bind them to their service.
Until that fundamental economic inequity is addressed, it's gonna need an awfully powerful handwave to explain that away... like getting brainwashed by the Gandalfr rune, or bringing potent and wrong preconceptions to the table like Shirou did in Hill of Swords.
I don't think a "powerup" would be enough to entice Ranma to stay. He'd probably skip town and that would be that... well, until he fell in with somebody that could send him back home. Like a certain evil King.
Why? Because in order to get something, you have to pay for it. The magicians are demanding lifetime service, without even the possibility of vacation, to your family it's the same as if you died. How much money would you have to be offered to agree?
But these cats don't offer anything. It's slavery; they reach out with their magic and kidnap someone and bind them to their service.
Until that fundamental economic inequity is addressed, it's gonna need an awfully powerful handwave to explain that away... like getting brainwashed by the Gandalfr rune, or bringing potent and wrong preconceptions to the table like Shirou did in Hill of Swords.
I don't think a "powerup" would be enough to entice Ranma to stay. He'd probably skip town and that would be that... well, until he fell in with somebody that could send him back home. Like a certain evil King.
It should be noted that while I'm uncertain if Ranma would turn down a freely given power up... I seriously doubt a post canon Ranma would accept one with strings... not only would be be at ease with his own abilities, through Ranma canon he helped several times get rid of unwanted power ups due to their side effects.
I do think that he would take a powerup if the price isn't that high while in the Manga the rest of the cast are the ones that get the power up, Ryoga, Shampoo Akane, Kuno; Ranma is a very oportunistic person adn he would take advantage of a powerup if possible.
But with the whole mind altering spell that becoming a gandarf seems to be he would avoid it, still I dont see the effect being that bad, In the novels Siato still had a lot fo free will and was willing to chase other skirts if the chance was presented, to me it looked more like the classic choosen girl scenario in manga wher the girl might not be the most beautiful, nicest smart or the one that cares more for the boy in the end they always get the main protagonist, I usually call them the predestined ones.
And anyway while the Gandarf powerup is a nice one Ranma is strong enough to get the job done whouth having to resort to that if needed.
But with the whole mind altering spell that becoming a gandarf seems to be he would avoid it, still I dont see the effect being that bad, In the novels Siato still had a lot fo free will and was willing to chase other skirts if the chance was presented, to me it looked more like the classic choosen girl scenario in manga wher the girl might not be the most beautiful, nicest smart or the one that cares more for the boy in the end they always get the main protagonist, I usually call them the predestined ones.
And anyway while the Gandarf powerup is a nice one Ranma is strong enough to get the job done whouth having to resort to that if needed.
Look.
I'll explain it slowly so you can understand.
NO ONE, other then apparently Tiffania, knows that the Void Familiar runes do what they do to the familiars head.
ONCE THEY ARE ON YOU, that's it, your done, until something takes them off, the only way do ditch your master is for them to do something no level of mindfucking could make you do.
Brimir died because of that, he summoned an Elf as Gandalfr, and when that Elf heard that he was gonna use one of his other Familiars, The Heart Of God, to kill all the Elves, she broke the spell and stabbed him in the heart. (With Derflinger.)
There is almost no way for Ranma to know that this power up comes with any cost at all, and when he get's it, he's stuck with Louise, because all his desire to leave will be erased.
I'll explain it slowly so you can understand.
NO ONE, other then apparently Tiffania, knows that the Void Familiar runes do what they do to the familiars head.
ONCE THEY ARE ON YOU, that's it, your done, until something takes them off, the only way do ditch your master is for them to do something no level of mindfucking could make you do.
Brimir died because of that, he summoned an Elf as Gandalfr, and when that Elf heard that he was gonna use one of his other Familiars, The Heart Of God, to kill all the Elves, she broke the spell and stabbed him in the heart. (With Derflinger.)
There is almost no way for Ranma to know that this power up comes with any cost at all, and when he get's it, he's stuck with Louise, because all his desire to leave will be erased.
Couple details. Derf did know what the Gandalfr runes could do to Saito, or at least he eventually remembered that. In fact, it was Derf that pleaded with Saito to not become Gandalfr again when Louise performed the ritual a second time.
Second, the rewriting of motivation is apparently gradual. Didn't help that Saito is canonically "slow witted", so that might have made his realization of what happened take longer. There is a chance that Saito's death and revival might have set the rewriting back a bit, since it had to go from step one all over again.
I would find it funny should Ranma not be as slow as Saito and still piss off Louise every time he could, as it would then mean that she would have effectively inexhaustible powers. However, I could never see Ranma willingly putting up with Louise's shit. He might put up with some shit for room and board, at least until some of the secondary cast begin offering to put him up. Then it's "bye bye, bitch."
Second, the rewriting of motivation is apparently gradual. Didn't help that Saito is canonically "slow witted", so that might have made his realization of what happened take longer. There is a chance that Saito's death and revival might have set the rewriting back a bit, since it had to go from step one all over again.
I would find it funny should Ranma not be as slow as Saito and still piss off Louise every time he could, as it would then mean that she would have effectively inexhaustible powers. However, I could never see Ranma willingly putting up with Louise's shit. He might put up with some shit for room and board, at least until some of the secondary cast begin offering to put him up. Then it's "bye bye, bitch."
Wow, thanks for the loads of comments and ideas here.
I'm thinking of doing something different with the curse, as it could potentially be mucking with some or all of the Gandalfr rune effects. Or worse, fighting back.
Also, I really need to get back to reading the light novels. I knew my manga knowledge was lacking and I strongly suspected "Hill of Swords." was still mostly following the FoZ/ZnT story, but wow...
Anyway, the first bit can be posted in the Preview Section. Yay me. I just finished revising it a bit, so go take a look at that.
I've yet to decide if the curse actively runs though now it just might, to Ranma's detriment in this Verse.
I'm thinking of doing something different with the curse, as it could potentially be mucking with some or all of the Gandalfr rune effects. Or worse, fighting back.
Also, I really need to get back to reading the light novels. I knew my manga knowledge was lacking and I strongly suspected "Hill of Swords." was still mostly following the FoZ/ZnT story, but wow...
Anyway, the first bit can be posted in the Preview Section. Yay me. I just finished revising it a bit, so go take a look at that.
I've yet to decide if the curse actively runs though now it just might, to Ranma's detriment in this Verse.
You can usually get the translations here:
<a href='http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Zero_no_Tsukaima' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>BakaTsuki <a href='http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Zero_no_Tsukaima' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.ph...ero_no_Tsukaima</a></a>
But for some reason the page isn't loading at the moment.
<a href='http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Zero_no_Tsukaima' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>BakaTsuki <a href='http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Zero_no_Tsukaima' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.ph...ero_no_Tsukaima</a></a>
But for some reason the page isn't loading at the moment.
Lol, yeah that is my current problem. Their page is down.
I was able to find a page that has up to Vol 9, and most of chapter 10.
<a href='http://protik09.blogspot.com/2009/04/zero-no-tsukaima-zeros-familiar-novel.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://protik09.blogspot.com/2009/04/zero-...liar-novel.html</a>
which will have to do until their page comes back up.
I was able to find a page that has up to Vol 9, and most of chapter 10.
<a href='http://protik09.blogspot.com/2009/04/zero-no-tsukaima-zeros-familiar-novel.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://protik09.blogspot.com/2009/04/zero-...liar-novel.html</a>
which will have to do until their page comes back up.
Actually, there is. It's just a bit more subtle. It suppressed Saito's homesickness and stopped him from seeing anything but the best of Louise, right up until Tiffania removed it. And he wasn't really quite right in the head afterwards, considering his first action afterwards is to start lecturing Louise on all of her faults...
I say you would need to add a twist to it. I have read one good R/FoZ cross, where the curse changes to whomever Ranma kissed last--which when they see him change, offers up other comedic issues.
I say, first figure out how a Jusenkyo curse would relate to the magic of the FoZ world. Would it be a similar principle there, considered impossible magic, or listed as 'chaos magic' and fall under 'we do not discuss such things'?
If he keeps it, how would the other students view him? Would they see him as cursed, or would they assume Louisse had summoned an incompetent shape shifter who can only do two forms?
I say, first figure out how a Jusenkyo curse would relate to the magic of the FoZ world. Would it be a similar principle there, considered impossible magic, or listed as 'chaos magic' and fall under 'we do not discuss such things'?
If he keeps it, how would the other students view him? Would they see him as cursed, or would they assume Louisse had summoned an incompetent shape shifter who can only do two forms?