Harry Potter Today is "Nineteen Years Later"

#1
Today is the first of September, 2017. DH was published ten years ago this summer.

Today is the date of the Epilogue, "Nineteen Years Later".

It seems right to talk about that today. My feelings about it are, well, almost entirely negative.

So I'll start with something I actually do like: the name of Ron and Hermione's daughter. Rose is a beautiful name, and although it might have been expected given how many other flower names are given to girls in the series ... it's still beautiful. We don't get a middle name for her and we don't need one.

Unfortunately her brother gets tagged with a horrible, ugly name that sounds WRONG. And I can't see Hugo as anything other than a joke at Ron Weasley's expense. A joke the series really didn't need, since the final two novels did terrible damage to his character already. Not physical damage, but still damage.

Unfortunately my opinions really only get worse from there. Because the names of Harry and Ginny's children are catastrophic.

Let me start with the least bad: Lily Luna

Ugh. WHY? The first name was so obvious, but really? They had to go there?

And the middle name just feels like a sop to the idea that Ginny had any influence at all on the naming of her own children. Even that is muted because Luna (Lovegood) was Harry's friend too.

Let me make it clear: I'm not a fan of legacy names. I don't believe they're a favor to the child they're given, and I don't believe they're a gift to the people they honor. Instead, they're a burden, and when the legacies are this strong, they're a terrible and unfair one.

Next: James Sirius.

This name feels worse than the one before it because Harry didn't really get to know EITHER his father or Sirius Black. He was cruelly robbed of both of them. And so this name feels like a much heavier burden. I'm glad it's not mine.

Last, and by far the worst: Albus Severus.

This name is so bad, it makes me cringe. Actually, it makes me angry. I'm still angry about it after more than ten years. That's not healthy.

I won't claim to be any kind of expert on English-language fiction. But this is one of the worst names I've ever seen. In context for this world and the parents' histories, I'm not sure Harry and Ginny could have picked a worse name that didn't involve some combination of Tom, Peter, or Vernon. It (ASP) is really just a frightfully awful name that I can't speak badly enough about.

It's an unbelievably terrible legacy to foist onto a child's shoulders.

if this idea, in story, was strictly Harry's, then I don't understand why Ginny let him do it. If she contributed, or thought of it first, I don't understand that either. Rowling once wrote that her conception of Ginny is as Harry's equal ... someone strong. I do believe that was her intent.

I just think this name kind of spits on that. And I'm not completely sure which part of it is worse. Dumbledore failed Harry completely (and repeatedly), and it can be argued that in her first year he failed Ginny just as badly if not worse. After all, Harry didn't grow up hearing the name of Albus Dumbledore lauded. He didn't grow up hearing it at all. Ginny did.

And then, the middle name, Severus. I can almost get why Rowling picked this. It was to redeem Snape -- he made bad choices, but turned away from darkness, and so in death he gets redeemed by this name.

Trouble is, there's someone who was overlooked who arguably deserved it more ... Regulus Black.

I don't know if Rowling ever thought of the possibility. If she didn't, that's a shame. If she did and dismissed it, then I think that was a mistake.

I have more to say, but this feels like a rant, and at this point, ranting is unhealthy.

Today is "Nineteen Years Later".
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
#2
Bro

you need to think positive

in the Wizarding World, Nominative Determinism is a real thing that really happens.

the kid's initials are ASP, as in an asp.

The kid is destined to become a Parseltongue-themed Dark Lord, or possibly Cobra Commander. Or at the very least, go through an existential crises believing this to be the case, and wondering why his parents implicitly assigned him this destiny. Stuff like that.



Although you're right that naming the kid after Regulus would have been extremely rad.
 

iiradned

Well-Known Member
#3
I can see Albus as a middle name of last resort but never Severus to be attached to any of the kids.
 

chronodekar

Obsessively signs his posts
Staff member
#4
You are correct. Given what we know of the series, the names given to the different children (at least many of the names) are just bizarre. It's as if Rowling was pandering to some kind of fan-fiction community. Especially with the shipping that was done in the last chapter (or three?) of the 7th book. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

The Rowling who's writing the more recent books, isn't the same Rowling who wrote the first three books I fell in love with. It's make me want to mourn her loss.

-chronodekar
 

LORD_ARM

Well-Known Member
#5
The kids were named that way for the fans. It was the last bit of fanservice. Rowling probably would have named them differently if she thought that she's going back to them in another book.
 
#6
nuclear death frog said:
And I can't see Hugo as anything other than a joke at Ron Weasley's expense.
I don't get the joke. Could you please explain? The only thing I can think is something about Victor Hugo maybe?
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#7
Epilogue? What epilogue?

There should have been one though. Like the Matrix. That deserved a sequel.
 
#8
point09micron_process said:
nuclear death frog said:
And I can't see Hugo as anything other than a joke at Ron Weasley's expense.
I don't get the joke. Could you please explain? The only thing I can think is something about Victor Hugo maybe?
Victor Hugo was what I meant. Good job thinking of it.

As for why I think it's a bad joke, well, if anyone in the wizarding world had the right (and arguably, responsibility) to name their son for Harry, it would be Ron and Hermione. Why didn't they? Did Harry, in story, talk them out of it? If he did, that's amazingly hypocritical of him considering the terrible legacies he foisted on his own children's shoulders.

If they simply didn't think to, it worsens their characters in my eyes.

Am I too nasty-minded?
 
#9
I thought you were leaning towards Hermione having cheated with Viktor, and Hugo is actually his son rather than Ron's. And that she named him that knowing that Ron would never catch on, since he's an idiot.
 
#10
point09micron_process said:
I thought you were leaning towards Hermione having cheated with Viktor, and Hugo is actually his son rather than Ron's. And that she named him that knowing that Ron would never catch on, since he's an idiot.
Ah, no. Not remotely what I had in mind -- though that certainly would be a bad joke.

You seem even nastier-minded than I am! How wonderful! :rofl:
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#11
Viktor could barely pronounce Hermione's name and still had more in common with her than Ron. :p
 

Goldenfalls

Fic till you drop
#12
The epilogue was just painful for me. I didn't feel like it added anything to the story. Honestly, I would have prefered one to focus on the characters we knew and how they were different now, how they had moved past it and grown older into a different life. The epilogue didn't seem like it showed us any of that, just written for the purpose of checkmarking a list of an idea of a happy future and giving us terrible names.

Though I don't find Hugo that bad. I just picture Harry earnestly telling them that they should name him "George" out of respect and Ron getting creeped out.
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#13
Hugo is an acronym for his first and three middle names. His full name is Harry Ulysses George Oscar Weasley.

Hermione named him, of course.

EDIT: Actually, you could drop 'Oscar' (which I only added to have an 'O' name) and the nickname would still be pronounced 'Hugo.' Getting five names would rather emphasize things if you want to have his mother shout his full name after he's done something he shouldn't have, though.
 

silentorphan

Well-Known Member
#15
I was considering making a new thread but decided I really don't have that much motivation for it, so I'm just necro-ing this thing.

British Summer Time puts London past midnight as of this typing. Today is August 31, 2020. Later in the day, Minister of Magic Hermione Granger heads to Harry Potter's office to badger him over his paperwork. He, however, is more interested in a certain Time Turner. This evening (this afternoon?), Amos Diggory and his niece Delphi show up at Harry's house.

...I know the play won a bunch of awards, but I simply cannot be arsed about it. It's not that I don't give a damn (technically, I don't), it's that I can't even summon up the enthusiasm to, well, trash the story. Congratulations. I was disappointed with The Crimes of Grindelwald, but at least I felt disappointment. You, Cursed Child, have gone beyond that and made me actually not care.
 

MastaofBitches

Well-Known Member
#16
The only thing I know about Cursed Child, is that Bella popped out an Heir for Voldemort, and that somehow Cedric Diggory became a Death Eater.
 

AoMythology

Apparently a report-er
#17

silentorphan

Well-Known Member
#18
There are fanfics where Voldemort and Bellatrix have had a kid. Fanfics much better than Cursed Child and written many years before CC, too.
I've seen fans argue that focusing on the daughter misses the point of Cursed Child (title notwithstanding) and that the discussion should really be about Albus and Scorpius.
 

AoMythology

Apparently a report-er
#19
I've seen fans argue that focusing on the daughter misses the point of Cursed Child (title notwithstanding) and that the discussion should really be about Albus and Scorpius.
(Shrugs) Well, honestly, I don't care any more than I suspect you do. ;)

Edit: there are plenty of next-generation fics that are better. Same with a few where Albus Severus time-travelled.
 

MastaofBitches

Well-Known Member
#20
So, is no one going to explain how Cedric came back from the dead as a Death Eater?
 

AoMythology

Apparently a report-er
#21
So, is no one going to explain how Cedric came back from the dead as a Death Eater?
Time travel with a super Time Turner, of course*. The very plot device (LOL) that I've completely removed from my own HP fic.

* :p
 

MastaofBitches

Well-Known Member
#22
So what, they went back in time, and made Cedric evil? Why? Surely there are better people to turn to your cause.
 

seitora

Well-Known Member
#23
...I know the play won a bunch of awards, but I simply cannot be arsed about it. It's not that I don't give a damn (technically, I don't), it's that I can't even summon up the enthusiasm to, well, trash the story. Congratulations. I was disappointed with The Crimes of Grindelwald, but at least I felt disappointment. You, Cursed Child, have gone beyond that and made me actually not care.
...huh. I wonder how it even won any awards. Paid awards? Reviewers thinking 'omfg Harry Potter but as a play!!11!' and not looking any deeper? Virtue signalling? Production values leading to a good score or good costuming or sets that win the awards but ignore the garbage plot?

It's telling how they never adapted it into a movie, even though they turned Magical Beasts into not one but two films. You would think WB would love money. I guess they must realise if they adapt it, it would be like GoT Season 8 in terms of how much it would stink up the franchise.
 

AoMythology

Apparently a report-er
#24
So what, they went back in time, and made Cedric evil? Why? Surely there are better people to turn to your cause.
LOL, divergence, the Butterfly Effect, accidental consequences and all that rot. Don't ask how exactly the kids managed that and why the writers made that choice, because I still can't digest it.
 
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