Transformers and WH40K

Rift120

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#1
Alright as I mentioned over in my WH40k thread in the games folder, I had a odd dream last night. Among one of the oddities was a cameo of the G1 Dinobots coming in to take on a Chaos Daemon (I think Khorne).

the more I thought of it the More I wondered. Could you get a good fic x-overing Transformers and Warhammer? and the more certain I became you could.

Both the autobots and Decepticons have the numbers of armies to be fairly major players among the WH40K army... although size may be a issue (which is why they invented Beast wars :D )

and also plenty of there backstory, artifacts, and such could easily be adapted to the universe (Hmm would Unicron have been a C'tan, CHaos Demon, or something unique? I kind of like the idea of him being a C'tan because that makes the autobot Matrix a real threat to the NEcrons. BUt what would that make Primus?)

The most major stumbling block would be is where the hell have the Transformers (both autobot and Decepticon, and possibly Maximal and Predacons) been for past several Millienia since 20th century earth?

Well I suppose there could eb several reasons

1. they were never awakened int eh 20th century.. instead awaken on 40,000 K at some point.... although all thingss considered this is probably the worst idea of the lot..

2. Take a idea used in a B5/Transformers x-over I saw on spacebattles once (I think psyckosama wrote it not sure tho), and at some point prior to his birth or during the early youth of the Emperor the Transformers withdrew from humanity (and took their cybertronian tech with them), and its only recently that the Imperium, Tau, or Eldar stumbled across thier remote sector of hte galaxy Cybertron is in... Still a bit weak, but somewhat servicibale.

3. the Autobots detected some massive threat outside of the milkyway (The real first Tyranid invasion?) and went off to confront it so that the sentients of the Milikyway could develop and thrive ont here own... and somehow took the rest of the transformers with them to meet this threat... ONly now returning to the Milkyway to either regroup or because the threat is finally elminated (If its the main Tyranid fleet.. its to regroup, and they are ahead of the large fleets the imperium has detected closing in on the MIlkyway...)... useable, but still a bit weak into why the Decepticons, Junkians, and/or Predacons would follow the autobots to meet this threat...

4. Some third party somehow put all the transformers into some sort of stasis and there human allies near cybertron and similar planets at the time... and only now thanks to some other group (I'm partial to some Ork doing it by accident) the Stasis is broken.. releasing autobots, Decepticons, junkians, and possibly maximals and predacons into modern day 40Kverse... of a more intriguing concept would be the HUman allies of the Transformers (both good and evil) who would be released from stasis as well...

20-21st century humans take on the Imperium... the imperiums take on these 'traitors'... lots of fun story there.

I like this one the ebst... the only real stumbling block is who tricked all the transformers into a area to be put into Stasis? (Arrogant Eldar? Chaos powers? a third party? Necrons don't really work since most of them would be asleep at the time....)

best of all about option 4, you can include favorite old school Transformers with little need to explain what they've been up to the past 38,000 years or so... And favorite humans as well caught in stasis...

A interesting questiosn that can be answered.. just who or what was/is UNicron (Is unicron still alive?) a C'tan that got imprisioned somehow and lost its Necron soldiers (Hence having to create Galvatron as subsitute.) Would that mean the Autobot Matrix is a anti-C'tan weapon? Or was UNicron a imprisioned Chaos Daemon? Or soemthing unique?

How will the Autobots fit into the various space going forces of WH40k, how will the decepticons? Assuming the stasis option is used... what of the HUmans who were with the Autobots at the time of stasis?

which Transformers might eb susceptible to Chaos? On both sides...

so many possibilities.

thoughts?
 

fitzgerald

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#3
I can see this being workable.

Going from G1 Cybertronians are incredibly hardy and can survive for millions of years with enough power. That they last until 40K is not hard to disbelieve.

Big Problems I see

Primus and Unicron: Both predate the Universe, these two beings are older than the Chaos Gods, the C'tan and everything else. Their power is vast, their conflict older than time itself, and only they or their proxies can cause substantive damage to the other.

Which fits after all since they are Creation and Destruction incarnate.

Unicron in fact is the one being that should be able to eat the Chaos Gods without any ill affect.

The Autobot Matrix is the primary artifact of Primus when it was unleashed in the Movie. Which explains why it took out Unicron's physical form.

Oddly enough this makes for some fun 40K because not only is the Warp trying to corrupt you, the Necrons are coming, the Elder are plotting, the Orcs preparing a Waaagh! and the Empire just sent in the Space marines, Unicron is coming to eat your planet.


~ Power Scale: They're big giant robots wielding impressively powerful weaponry. Balancing out the combatants so conflict is interesting is going to be interesting.

~ Where were the Transformers for 40K

Continuing on their savage Civil War in an unexplored sector of space. One with new and mostly unexploited resources.

In fact the last species to have contact with them, other than the Orks which are every where, was the Elder.

Contact that was minimal at best. The Elder hated the fact that the Cybertronians were even older than them.

Contact with Earth quickly died out, as the various factions lost interest in Earth after the recovery of the Ark and the Decepticons Flagship.

Cue the sudden re-emergance of the Autobots and the Decepticons as they scramble to fight over resources on some planet where everybody is involved.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for the Autobots, well frankly I don't think they'll get along with any of the factions.

The Decepticons will of course seek to use every advantage they can get. Then stab their "allies" in the back.

Ciao
 

Kerrus

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#4
Well there's a couple things to consider I suppose. One is that in some canon, Primus' physical form is Cybertron, and he's sleeping to prevent Unicron from finding him while he gathers power. Or something like that.

On the other hand, with 40k and the active warp... Unicron is going to be a Chaos God of epic proportions.

Conversely, also due to the warp, Primus is probably going to be a bit more active.

However, y'all have to think about something EVEN WORSE.


If Cybertron and all that exists in 40k, then that means something horrible, and truly truly evil.


The planet Junk exists. The TV talking Junkions EXIST!

THE JUNKIONS!

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS?
 

image

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#5
the orks would declare them holy objects/weapons and/or rip them apart to make more weird physics defying crap :p
 
#6
... No, I can't say I see anything wrong with it. I mean, after all, Wreck-Gar was voiced by Eric Idle, and now by Weird Al, so...
 

Waruiko

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#7
I would read this if it was written.
 

Ike

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#8
Biggest problem I see is that Transformers were routinely taken down by human (of our times) soldiers.

Like, taken down and captured. A lot.

So if humans of our time could create weapons that could take down Transformers... What chance would they stand against the much more technologically advanced/stronger races of the future?

Don't get me wrong... I'd read the story...

But you'd have to suspend a lot of disbelief, because most of them couldn't stand up to a lot of WH40K has to offer.

Optimus is a given. Galvatron or Megatron too. Grimlock would make sense. Shockwave pwns people's faces. Blaster was pretty bad ass too.

But so many of them would get just raped...
 

Waruiko

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#9
Ike said:
Biggest problem I see is that Transformers were routinely taken down by human (of our times) soldiers.

Like, taken down and captured. A lot.

So if humans of our time could create weapons that could take down Transformers... What chance would they stand against the much more technologically advanced/stronger races of the future?

Don't get me wrong... I'd read the story...

But you'd have to suspend a lot of disbelief, because most of them couldn't stand up to a lot of WH40K has to offer.

Optimus is a given. Galvatron or Megatron too. Grimlock would make sense. Shockwave pwns people's faces. Blaster was pretty bad ass too.

But so many of them would get just raped...
That can be solved in one word.

Upgrades
 

ttestagr

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#10
Indeed. It has been 40k years for them to advance as well.
 

Ike

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#11
ttestagr said:
Indeed. It has been 40k years for them to advance as well.
A lot of the ideas depended on the Transformers being lost in time, or frozen, or something... Such things are not conducive to being upgraded...

It'd take a plot bludgeoning to make upgrades like that work, especially if the Transformers were supposed to be forming their own 'side', instead of joining a pre-existing one.

If you were dependant on the Transformers being upgraded to be able to compete, it would beg the question of who was upgrading them. If it was other Transformers... it could make sense. But if that was the case, then you'd need to have a) The characters you want to have in the story last all those years without being permanently put down, or B) have a good enough reason for the Transformers of the Future to need their own past relics, from a time of lesser technological advancement.
 

InternetLOL

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#12
Ike said:
If you were dependant on the Transformers being upgraded to be able to compete, it would beg the question of who was upgrading them. If it was other Transformers... it could make sense. But if that was the case, then you'd need to have a) The characters you want to have in the story last all those years without being permanently put down, or B) have a good enough reason for the Transformers of the Future to need their own past relics, from a time of lesser technological advancement.
Transformers are tainted by the Void Dragon, cultist members of the Adeptus Mechanicus find and upgrade them?
 

Waruiko

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#13
What could cause the transformers to start upgrading themselves...

How about finding pieces of an old titan that fell durring the heresy.
 

ttestagr

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#14
Would they upgrade if they use other 40k races' tech to disguise themselves?
 

Ike

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#15
ttestagr said:
Would they upgrade if they use other 40k races' tech to disguise themselves?
Possibly... There ARE several upgrades that canon transformers went through, by certain surroundings and such... Its just an issue that would need to be addressed at the beginning, before continuing.

However... The 'disguise' you're talking about didn't change their physical capabilities, just what they looked like when they transformed. So, say, if they transformed into some kind of 40k-level jet, they wouldn't necessarily be as powerful, because they still use their own internal power sources to fuel their weaponry, and not whatever that new Jet. BUT its also canon in Transformers that using different fuel supplies can 'upgrade' them... I seem to remember one of the upgrades Grimlock went through at one point involved using some new kind of fuel, that messed around with his ability to transform. Don't remember what it was called, though.
 

fitzgerald

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#16
Actually I think the question becomes just what version of Transformers are we using here?

The latest movie? Beast Wars? The 80's Cartoon. The 80's Movie? Later cartoons? Comic book?

Ciao
 

Lord Raine

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#17
I agree with Ike. While the concept itself is fairly sound, you're going to run into the problem of power levels pretty fast. As far as giant robots are concerned, Transformers are actually fairly low on the ladder, and that would show through in the fights they get into.

However, you need to take something into account that hasn't been properly addressed yet. Namely, most of those 'captured' Transformers were Autobots. Remember, Autobots don't harm humans unless it's absolutely and positively necessary, so naturally, they're not going to defend themselves with lethal force if a human military attacks them. Yes, some of the captured Transformers were Decepticons, but you do need to keep in mind that over half of the Transformers captured went down without much of a fight (if they fought back at all).


As for the power levels, that can be fixed without too much difficulty. All you'd have to do is give them self-evolving hardware and software. Use any excuse you like (honestly, I'm not familiar enough with either series to cite actual canonical technology of that level), but that's probably the best way to go. That way, they can go into 'stasis' for however long you want. Their technology will upgrade itself while they're out of it.

Once again, I'm not sure if there's such a thing in either canon, though considering the source material (giant sentient fighting robots and what amounts to magitech), I'd be surprised if there wasn't self-evolving technologies.


. . . dear lord, that's given me a horrid idea. Can you imagine what would happen if Transformers got tangled up with the Borg!?

Actually I think the question becomes just what version of Transformers are we using here?

The latest movie? Beast Wars? The 80's Cartoon. The 80's Movie? Later cartoons? Comic book?

Ciao
Presumably whichever ones kick the most ass.

That, or we use æblankÆ Transformers. You know, before theyÆve imprinted on something or become overly diverse. That way, they can assimilate 40K things more readily, instead of having to create a compromise between æolderÆ (read; modern) things and æcurrentÆ objects.

Because I doubt they could call themselves ôrobots in disguiseö if theyÆre turning into cars and F-14s to try and æhideÆ from Space Marines. Yeah, that wonÆt last long. They need to have forms that match the current environment. ItÆs a key factor that canÆt be ignored here, and from what (admittedly little) I understand, they have difficulty changing what they mimic if they've already imprinted on something else. (Hence the reason they don't just imprint on everything they see.)
 

lcpoketoon

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#18
I'm just goign to say this an watch what happens.

Dinobot Grimlock becomes King of the Orks.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 

urth

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#19
Optimus Prime with a Baneblade transformation.

Could such a thing be stopped.
 

Antimatter

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#20
How about this:

Lets fudge the origins a bit.

the transformers had contact with humanity till well intot he dark age of technology, finally ending ties after the opening choas of the age of strife. As one of the last acts of alligence wiht humanity, and knowing not all their borthern would be able to survive the comming choas, the ancient mechanicus sealed several of them into STC like constucts.

After the dust settled, some of the ones who survived were rediscovered and awakened by the AM, who thought them to be prophets of the machine god. The AM works with them in secret, trying to peice togther dark age tech with them, as well as locate Holy Cybertron.

Not all the transformers were awoken by the AM. some were awaken by other races, such as the eldar, orc's, and Tau, even Chaos. Depending on who woke them, some are corrupted.

All of them retake new forms based on the technology of those who woke them. So Optimus could be a land raider or baneblade, etc, if he was found by the AM.
 

InternetLOL

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#21
Antimatter said:
How about this:

Lets fudge the origins a bit.

the transformers had contact with humanity till well intot he dark age of technology, finally ending ties after the opening choas of the age of strife. As one of the last acts of alligence wiht humanity, and knowing not all their borthern would be able to survive the comming choas, the ancient mechanicus sealed several of them into STC like constucts.

After the dust settled, some of the ones who survived were rediscovered and awakened by the AM, who thought them to be prophets of the machine god. The AM works with them in secret, trying to peice togther dark age tech with them, as well as locate Holy Cybertron.

Not all the transformers were awoken by the AM. some were awaken by other races, such as the eldar, orc's, and Tau, even Chaos. Depending on who woke them, some are corrupted.

All of them retake new forms based on the technology of those who woke them. So Optimus could be a land raider or baneblade, etc, if he was found by the AM.
Uh. Don't the AM hate AI? Like, really really hate it?
 

Kerrus

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#22
Not exactly. Machine spirits are essentially AI when you get down to it. The problem is, is that the Imperium has run into true AI a couple times, and it's always been hell bent on killing everyone.

Way back when during the early days of 40K (well, technically 399 ABY) the imperium actually used what were called 'Iron Men' to augment their forces. Basically robots. The problem was is that the STC Constructor for iron men, which was basically a mix of an STC and a replicator ended up corrupted by Chaos. How? I have no idea. But it started producing Iron men who were not only chaos corrupted, but intent on killing everyone. Once it became certain that Iron Men were indeed corruptable, the Imperium stopped using them, and lay a ban against any form of them.

The issue then becomes the fact that Machine Spirits are basically AI. Sure they aren't as advanced as true AI, but they're AI nevetheless. That worship of the Omnisiah is a semi-sanctioned religion moves it to iffy status. On the one hand, they hate Iron Men, on the other, they worship AI.

Personally, what I'd do is shift things around. Instead of worshiping some great machine god they call the Omnisiah, they worship a great machine god they call the Omnisiah, but who in secret scriptures is named Primus.


Following this, you could shift the hatred of Iron Men from hatred of robots to hatred of robots without emotion, which would shift things nicely. Then you could fit the Autobots and decepticons in.

Now personally, 40K gives a real interesting opportunity. Namely that the Decepticons and the autobots could be on the same 'side' as it were without killing the fuck out of eachother. Hell, the decepticons would probably love working with the space marines and whatnot, and fit in fairly well. But even so, some of them would slide over the Chaos. Starscream, for instance would easily fall in to chaos. Well, him and Blitzwing. Some of the others wouldn't, and you'd end up with a neat ideological split.

Actually, this gives me another idea. Back during the Golden Age of technology, Humanity was moving starsystems around all over the place. I mean, they moved Sol way the fuck over a couple times. Following this, why not have 'Mars' actually be cybertron. Fitting in with the whole Void Dragon sealed inside mars thing, maybe the Void Dragon is actually Nemesis Prime.


Conversely, this means you'd have to have Unicron out there somewhere. Preferably Comic Unicron, who was oodles stronger then his movie counterpart. Dark God of Chaos who survived the end of the last universe. Maybe start the story off by having Unicron show up and start eating Cadia or something... yess....
 

fitzgerald

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#23
Antimatter said:
How about this:

Lets fudge the origins a bit.

the transformers had contact with humanity till well into the dark age of technology, finally ending ties after the opening chaos of the Age of Strife.

<snippage>
Now this sounds like the start of a workable idea.

Here's a quick and dirty intro:

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The Golden Age of Mankind was truly a glorious thing to witness after the final battles of the Cybertronian Civil Wars drew to a close.

We Cybertronians aided our young allies as they began venturing into space and further afield; giving help when asked, advice often, and acted only to prevent great injustices.

It was a time of science, of peace, of art, of hope and joy.

Humanity reached for the stars and for a time it seemed nothing was out of their grasp.

In contrast, worn and battle weary from eon's of war it took Cybertron and we Transformers most of Humanity's Golden Age to recover.

But by Primus we did recover. Recover and grow strong once more.

We thought the Golden Age would continue on far into the future, that the possibilities for both Humanity and Transformer alike were unlimited.

We were wrong.

~ Psalms of Primes: XCVI

-_-_-_-_-_

"Who came before this reality existed?"

"The Two Brothers!"

"Who will be there when this reality ends?"

"The Two Brothers!"

"Who is the Source of All? Who is our Creator? Who set us to work His Will?"

"Primus! Primus! Primus!"

"Who is our Enemy? Who is our Destroyer? Who is our Corrupter?"

"Unicron! Unicron! Unicron!"

"What has Primus expect of us?"

"Strength!"

"What does Primus require of us?"

"Victory!"

"What has Primus given us?"

"Everything!"

~ Decepticon Remembrances:

-_-_-_-_-_

"The Sea of Chaos rages once more as Unicron begins to awaken from his slumbers. Our duty is now clear. The Covenants of Primus will be fulfilled.

So until the signs are fulfilled draw the cloak of Primus around you. Arm and train. Then when the moment is nigh, strike!

Strike hard, strike fast, and strike with the righteous fury of Primus!"

~ Transmission of the Return: Vector Prime

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The Farseer shivered as the Future danced before her.

A force was playing havoc with the Warp, a force that only the oldest surviving records even hinted at.

The Silver Sphere.

With it a clash that could potentially topple the whole universe.

-_-_-_-_-_

Below the depths of the various Administratum Scriptoria and Archives that covered the region of Earth once known as Portland, Oregon a light turned on.

Then with a low hum as power began to spread, lights quickly began illuminating the darkness.

A giant figure rested uneasily in a chair, as workstations slowly came on line and reports began appearing.

Vector Sigma sighed uneasily.

Humanity had changed drastically these last dozen millennium.

The Ark however had not, Vector Sigma noted to himself idly. The repairs had held up well and Teletron-1 had kept things locked down in Stasis.

"Well Opitmus, let's just hope you're still right about humanity," Vector commented to himself.
 

InternetLOL

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#24
Kerrus said:
Fitting in with the whole Void Dragon sealed inside mars thing, maybe the Void Dragon is actually Nemesis Prime.
Or better yet, Nemesis Prime is an avatar of the Void Dragon.

Because seriously, the Void Dragon >>>>>>> Nemesis Prime.
 
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