Transformers and WH40K

AbyssalDaemon

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#26
Also something to keep in mind is that most comic-bookverse Earths tend to be (at least on what various people seem to be able to get their hands on) a bit more advanced on average then what gets used in Wh40kverse.

Not quite sure how true that is for the Transformer!Earth but it is something to keep in mind.
 
#27
This is a interesting idea but I can't seem to get a handle on how the author would work it.The hidden war concept used in the toons just would not work inside the Imperium of MAN.The Imperium has had way to much experience with the forces of Chaos,Tyranids and others that they tend to take the nits make lice phrase to heart.Two unknown forces fighting within Imperial space would attract attention fast and Imperial forces would not hesatate to use orbital bombardment or heavy artilery if needed.


I would love to read something like this if it could be worked out.


I now have this image in my head of a Decpeticon getting pounded on by a Ork Gargant.
 

Rift120

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#28
Little Bopper said:
This is a interesting idea but I can't seem to get a handle on how the author would work it.The hidden war concept used in the toons just would not work inside the Imperium of MAN.The Imperium has had way to much experience with the forces of Chaos,Tyranids and others that they tend to take the nits make lice phrase to heart.Two unknown forces fighting within Imperial space would attract attention fast and Imperial forces would not hesatate to use orbital bombardment or heavy artilery if needed.


I would love to read something like this if it could be worked out.


I now have this image in my head of a Decpeticon getting pounded on by a Ork Gargant.
Well presumably one option had the hidden Decepticon/autobot war moving out of the imperium space well ebfore the great crusade lead by the Emeperor. IN which case its really not to far fetched to keep the autobots and decepticons on the edges of the empire while they fight until the present story timeline comes around and the imperium rediscovers them..

presumably by this time the autobots and Decepticons each have carved out empires for themselves to war agaisnt each other, upon which the Imperium would not be able to crush easily....


Alternativly the autobots and decepticons went away fromt he galaxy for a while in early human history (before the meperor) to face a major threat... perhaps a very early HIve fleet (We do know that there are several planets which have organisms that are believed to be related to the tyrranids but whose existence predate the first offical hive fleet encounter by WH40K forces, so its not to much of astretch to have the transformers detect the main hive fleet by these early scouts and go do something about it.)

The advantages of this is that you can keep you transformers int heir classic vehicle modes or alternatives as you care to since they would be away. Plus fighting a tyranid hive fleet gives plenty of oppurutnoity to work in upgrades to teh Transformers Power level to put them on par with WH40K tech. Thus you can have classic semi-trailer optimus and dinobot Grimlock showing up.

As to why they return now... well thet ransformers had mixed results against the Tyranid fleet... delaying htem and breaking off small chunks (The hive fleets encountered so far), but unable to stop them.. and so have retreated Back tot eh Milky way galaxy to regroup and plan anew angle of attack as the Tyranid hives close in on the galaxy. Only to run into a LOT of other problems such as chaos, Orks, the Imperium, Tau, and lets not forget what they would make of the NEcron.

(Interesting thought... while it is plausible that the Transformers are old enough to rememebr the necron, would htey have encountered them in the past?)

the main problem with this alternative is why would the decepticons follow the autobots against the Tyranid hive fleet outside of hte milky way? (The Junkions to for that matter, but since they are mostly confined to one planet its not to hard to have them simply missed byt he various WH40K races... although it is a amusing thought.. the transformers having to rely ont he Junkions ot bring them up to speed on the current galactic politics of the milky way :p )
 

Waruiko

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#29
the main problem with this alternative is why would the decepticons follow the autobots against the Tyranid hive fleet outside of hte milky way? (The Junkions to for that matter, but since they are mostly confined to one planet its not to hard to have them simply missed byt he various WH40K races... although it is a amusing thought.. the transformers having to rely ont he Junkions ot bring them up to speed on the current galactic politics of the milky way? )
The Decepticons might hace had their own reason to fight the nids and as such are fighting them as a seprate force from the autobots. In that case they would have never been allies, just two difrent forces useing eachother twarts a mutuial goal.

The Junkions are painfully easy to solve.

Two words: Space Hulk
 
#30
Kerrus said:
Now personally, 40K gives a real interesting opportunity. Namely that the Decepticons and the autobots could be on the same 'side' as it were without killing the fuck out of eachother. Hell, the decepticons would probably love working with the space marines and whatnot, and fit in fairly well. But even so, some of them would slide over the Chaos. Starscream, for instance would easily fall in to chaos. Well, him and Blitzwing. Some of the others wouldn't, and you'd end up with a neat ideological split.
I really like the concept of the Autobots and Desepticons coming to become the same side. Especially cause their original schism would be a fairly moot point, the desepticon need to express themselves as war machines, hell they would pretty much become the new front line fighters of the Cybertronians. But I wouldn't have it happen all at once, but as a gradual integration as the two sides become more and more pressed by the demands of war with so many different entites.

The dinobots id have them go off on their own and become integrated with the Tau armies... more specifically the Kroot, i can see alot of mutual respect coming about from either the comic or cartoon versions of Grimlock for the Kroot, especially as warriors.

Autobots meeting the Tau would be fairly awesome as well... As the Autobots are pretty much adherents to the same school of philosophy as the tau save for the fact they are less extreme about it. They would go together great but have an internal conflict of interests with the Tau belief in their own manifest destiny to organize everyone to the greater good. That would be a particularly fierce internal political struggle between which ever Autobots decide to work with the Tau and the Tau leaders.

Transformers and Necrons would be fairly interesting to see as well, those who are followers of Unicron would probably Join the necron cause... or conversely we could have the Necron HATE all transformers with even greater passion than they usually reserve for other living creatures due to their "Defilement" of the sacrament of metal... with the presence of a Soul, (I.E. A spark).

I could easily see alot of Transformers falling to Chaos especially, Starscream being corrupted Slannesh (sp?), or the latest comic version of RC being corrupted by Khorne.



Oh yeah and on a random note... Orky Junkions scare the PANTS offa me.


-Himitsu The Hunter
 

Rift120

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#31
I doubt the Necrons would hate the Autobots.. if only because they don't seem to have any emotions period... more importantly they wouldn't see it as a defiliment since technically they are souls trapped in a machine itself...

On the other hand if UNicron WAS a C'tan... than the Necrons focusing more on the Transformers, and the autobots in particular, makes sense. Mainly because If Unicron was a C'tan, than the Autobot Matrix is a weapon capable of hurting C'tan's... and thus the Deciever and other C'tan would be veyr interested in makeing sure the Autobots never get the chance to use the matrix against them, hence ordering their Necron minions to target transformers as the prefered prey.

I really prefer hte idea of Dinobot's falling in witha Ork Horde... just ebcause the idea of G1 cartoon Grimlock as Da BOss of a ORk WAAARRGGGHH intrigues me... plus you could play around with the concept of a 'noble' Ork Waargh.. completly messing with the Ordos Xenos's head.. (These Orks are DOING WHAT? AND NOT RAMPAGING AGAINST IMPERIALS??)

As to the decepticons... I think some would fall in with the autobots... some would fall to Chaos... some woudl carve out there own mini-empires... And possibly some may fall in witht he Necrons.

Especially if thje UNicron= C'tan idea is used... and Galvatron and/or scourge and his sweeps are still around... remember UNicron could control Galvatron at a whim... if UNicron was a C'tan, than its possible other C'tans may be able to usurp that control on Unicrons 'altered' decepticons...
 

JumperPrime

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#32
Rift120 said:
I really prefer hte idea of Dinobot's falling in witha Ork Horde... just ebcause the idea of G1 cartoon Grimlock as Da BOss of a ORk WAAARRGGGHH intrigues me... plus you could play around with the concept of a 'noble' Ork Waargh.. completly messing with the Ordos Xenos's head.. (These Orks are DOING WHAT? AND NOT RAMPAGING AGAINST IMPERIALS??)
Heheh. I can see it now:

Grimlock pointed his sword at the force in front of him.

"Me Grimlock say, CRUSH THE CHAOS THINGIES!!"

A collective roar bellowed from the mouths of every Ork present as the so-called "WAAARRRGGG of Justice" charged forward with all the fervor expected of Orks on the attack, throwng themselves into battle with wild abandon at the collection of daemons and Chaos Space Marines who had not expected the entire Ork force to be focused on them, having naturally assumed that the Orks would, as they usually did, split up to attack the settlements as well, but that did not happen. For these Orks had a unique leader, a leader smarter than any Ork leader in history. Grimlock the Dino-Smasher.
 

InternetLOL

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#33
JumperPrime said:
Heheh. I can see it now:

Grimlock pointed his sword at the force in front of him.

"Me Grimlock say, CRUSH THE CHAOS THINGIES!!"

A collective roar bellowed from the mouths of every Ork present as the so-called "WAAARRRGGG of Justice" charged forward with all the fervor expected of Orks on the attack, throwng themselves into battle with wild abandon at the collection of daemons and Chaos Space Marines who had not expected the entire Ork force to be focused on them, having naturally assumed that the Orks would, as they usually did, split up to attack the settlements as well, but that did not happen. For these Orks had a unique leader, a leader smarter than any Ork leader in history. Grimlock the Dino-Smasher.
Your Ork accent is wrong. Orks like fighting for the sake of fighting, "noble" doesn't mean shit. Chaos Space Marines don't have settlements. Orks don't split up unless the Baus wants them too, and since the Baus is always the biggest, smartest, and stompiest, he wouldn't do that unless they already had a numerical advantage or it seemed fun. And since the Baus is always the biggest, smartest, and stompiest, the Baus of any real WAAAAAGH is going to be bigger, smarter, and stompier than Grimlock. Plus, robots iz for lootin'.

 

railhazard

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#34
Well, if Unicron is a C'tan then what is primus?

While a connection between Unicron and the C'tan would be interesting, i find difficult to swallow the whole Unicron=C'tan idea.

I'd rather see them as Unicron's children like the transformers is Primus's.
 
#35
Rift120 said:
I doubt the Necrons would hate the Autobots.. if only because they don't seem to have any emotions period... more importantly they wouldn't see it as a defiliment since technically they are souls trapped in a machine itself...
Actually no they aren't, their souls were long ago eaten by their C'tan masters, and in fact they are Soulless remnants of what they once were, essentially soulless machines with memories from before their souls were removed. Hell one of the Units of the Necron were once Humans Born without a Soul, Their elite anti-psyker troops, the Pariahs.

I remember in particular while playing the Necron Campaign in Dawn Of War that when they went up against the forces of Chaos the Chaos Lord was about to threaten them with eternal torture of their souls... then paused to realize that they didn't have any, and bluntly decided that they NEEDED to not exist any any longer.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm more of a Tyranid person than Necron.

-Himitsu The Hunter
 

Kerrus

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#36
Yes, Ork Junkions would be crazy scary, and crazy fun.


Bah weep grana weep ninibaum.
 

Li Qin

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#39
Kerrus said:
Yes, Ork Junkions would be crazy scary, and crazy fun.


Bah weep grana weep ninibaum.
It's Bah weep granah weep ninni bong.

Also:





And for the previous posts a Baneblade is hardly the largest thank in the game, a Capitol Imperials is substancually lager just for starters.
 

Rift120

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#40
Alright... this has been bugging me.. so I'll write up some now and take you opnions on how to make it look more like a offical report... keep in mind htis is incomplete because A) i have to head to work soon, and B) its still incomplete in my head

note: XXXXXX= undecided information, whetehr its a specific year or section of hte imperium.


.....Inquistorial ordos Xenos report... This year XXXXXX in our glorius imperium. INquistor adolphus reporting.

Today I submit to the order Xenos my observations on a sub set of hte foul Xeno known as Orks and recommend a much more indepth investigation of this subset be initiated upon the Subset known as the Dino Orks....

While some of my colleagues have pointed out that the foul Xeno plague known as the Orks in general do not require a indepth investigation on eveyr small clan theire barbaric and heretical society creates, I find that this specific subset has some disturbing ramifications tha need to be investigated.

My attention was first drawn to the Dino Clan when reports surfaced about Orks that particpated in a WAARRGGH against a minor Tyranid invasion of the planet arbok in the XXXXXX sector. While in and of itself this would seem to be of little importance, the behavior of this Ork Waargh after the tyranids were defeated was decidedly odd.

While the Ork presence would not have lasted long in any manner as a chapter of XXXXX marines were already enroute to deal with the Tyranid swarm and would surely have cleanesed hte planet of the Xenos.

The fac tof hte matter is that shortly after the Swarm was destroyed the Orks actually retreated from the imperial planet! Despite outnumnbering the remainind PDF forces 2 to 1, and furhtermore reports surfaced that looting bys aid ORks were minimal and that in some occaisons they even spared Women and children!

Why they left was a complete mystery, although the local PDF theorize it may have been that the Orks learned of the incoming Marines and quit while the going was good. THis in and of itself is disturbing, as retreat from a enemy that outclasses them without even meeting in combat goes against almost everything we know of the Ork Waargh mentality.

This mentality and foolhardniess of hte Ork Xenos species is part of what makes them relativly simple to contian and defeat against our holy emperors devoted forces. Should the Orks actually develop tactics and strategy to use there sheer might in a more efficent manner they will become a much mroe deadly foe to our glorius imperium.

Of also concern was the reports of only light looting and even sparing of imperial citzens, as any student can tell you Orks live to loot and few humans as little more than slaves or food. sometimes both.

These aberrations demanded a investigation and so my retinue traveled to Arbok to interview the survivors and determine the cause for these descrepncies. At our request Inquistor Malfus of the Ordo Malleus joined us on the trip as a expert on the possibility of some foul Chaos Cult being ebhind the Orks strange behavior...

Our findings on the trip, see Arbok inquisiton for the full interviews as well as Inquistor Malfus uncovering of a admittadly minor slannesh cult, are disturbing. BUt we did learn a lot about the Dino orks in action both from them and afew other Xeno's that had encountered this strange subset of Ork earlier.

It would seem this subset of Orks has been active in this section of hte galaxy for at least a millinea, albeit mostly in non-imperial held space. A rogue trader was able to confirm this and transport my retinue to a minor Xeno held system that had had frequent encounters with these orks. While dealing with these foul abominations was disgusting, they provided the most background information on these orks.

First of it seems the Dino Ork for whatever reason have chosen the Xeno species of the Tyranid as their main front of Waargh... and in any combat situation seem to target Tyranids to the prefrence of any other targets. Combat footage of a local PDF of Arbok seem to support this Xeno belief, as it shows several orks disengaging and even ignoreing (!) PDF fire on their numbers to grapple with a swarm of Gaunts that had flanked a minor skirmish between the two forces.

THere are also reports of minor Warrghs of Dino Orks trialing splinter fleets and engaing them when they find a planet ot attempt to consume. Oddly enough these reports say the Orks when victorius only claim such a planet as there own if no Snetient species are found on it. Of course these reports come from other Xenos and so are suspect at best. Still one can't help but note the Orks actions on Arbok.....


One of hte most alarming facts we have uncovered is that these Orks seem to have some sort Elite mechanical units. While that doesn't raise many alarms in and of itself, since Orks seem to be able to buil dsuch monstrosities to the machine spirit as there Gargants, these elite units do not match up to normal Ork technology. INdeed while they seem to be shaped to resemble giant monsters, these elite units bear more resemblence to Tau mechanics than the normal crude toys of the Ork menace...

Hard to believe but Arbok actually had footage of two of these elite units in combat against teh Tyranids. As the footage shows the first seems to be made to imitate some sort of bipedial predator with stunted forearms and massive predatory jaws... the second footage filmed a few hours later show a strangly human like giant robot wielding a flaming sword.

Xeno sources seem to indicate both of these units are entitled 'Grimlock', although why they share the same name I can not speculate. One ridicilous source actually claimed they were the same unit, but it was obviously some Xeno trying to pull a fast one over my team.

Xeno sources also indicate at least 8 other types of such units in use by the orks, although to this date unconfirmed by reliable imperial sources. Interestingly these 8 are split evenly between such beast machines and humanoid robots. ANd all 8 are only covered by 4 names. A strange quirk to be sure.

Either way the beast units seem to hold a special signfigance tot he Dino orks. as there armor and vehicles, of which most are the typical ramshackle insults to the machine spirits that other Ork Hordes use, are adorned wiht images representing these beasts.

Another disturbing note I should add before i close this summary. While investigating these beasts against known creatures of the sector, my savant accidentally inputted a wider search covering the whole imperiumf rom the inquisition databanks once we returned home. While at first this appearead a annoying and time delaying accident it would seem the will of the Empeorer gudied my savant as we surprisngly got a match on the images as well as the word Dino.

What is disturbing is that said match comes from our tattered archives dating around the Horus Heresey, and what damaged information we could pull up from the databanks indicate these creatures known as 'dinosaurs' may even predate the great crusade in human knowledge all the way back to the Golden Era! I have dispatched a few researchers to find out what other scraps of knowledge we may acquire on these Dinosaurs, whatever they may be. I fear it may proove important...

Alas I can not join these investigations as I am about to head out sector to investigate another disturbing Ork Subset anomly discovered known as the Junk Orks.....

end snippet

Feel free to edit that to make it more WH40kish.. next snippet will include his encounters with the Junkion inspired Orks (as well as a reason to why planet Junk is cordaned off from imperial influence by order of the EMperor himself! *lets just say it involve 4-chan :D *)
 

Rift120

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#41
alright still working on the 'junk Ork' excerpt and still hoping someone will help edit hte above little snippet ot make it look more inquistorial....

but in the meantime I've been thinking on the various Transformers factions for this verse (and i think I want to open this up as a verse to multiple authors as opposed to just one story...)

Dino Orks- essentially a Ork Waargh that Grimlock and the dinobots took over. Second oldest transformers faction active in the galaxy (junkions are oldest and since the other transformers have been OUTSIDE of hte galaxy fighting the Tyranids they don't count)... at least 2-3 thousand years, albiet only recently has the waarggh entered Imperial space and drawn attention to its anomolays.

As noted above the Dino Orks tend to be less savage and brutal than typical Ork's.. more along hte lines of Shinji's interpretation of Orks from 'Shinji and WH40k' if you want a comparison. Still very savage, but more noble... less abusive to 'weaker' races because there is no glory of Waarggh in abusing puny species.. etc..etc.

Slightly more sophistacated tactics than the typical Ork horde... including tactical retreats. which makes them infinitaly more dangerous.

targets mainly Tyranid swarms... and tends to leave planets that have sentient species (or survivors anyway of the swarms they follow), settling on mostly unihabited planets.

main opponents: Tyranid's, Other Ork's who view them as not 'orky enough' *in such cases its the tactics Boss Grimlock has driven into his Boyz's that carry the day*

Notable transformer members: Dinobots all of them, possibly a few of hte more savage/bestial decepticons/predecons *A analogue of BW's Dinobot would fit in perfectly here*, a smattering of Autobot 'observers'.

*note Optimus approves of the DInobot/ork 'experiment' seeing how far Grimlock and Co has taken his Orks from the norm to a more 'productive' society... thuis Optimus, and by extension the autobot faction, wants to see how far Grimlock can take the Ork species sociallya few more millenia down the road. (Keep in mind this is from OPtimus's point of view, not reality of the Orks as a whole.. chances are Grimlock's Orks aren't going to be much more 'civilized' than what they are now) *

Junk Orks- THe planet Junkion and its surronding system is forbiddon space by order of the emperor himself... the only reason left in the data archives is a partially destroyed sidenote from the beginning of the grand crusade "...... transmitted internet reached junkion..... absorbed net.... culture.... TFF and 4chan.... /B/ junkions too much of a headache.... quarentine until ... out of system..."

of course said quarentine means squat to other races.. and Ork's in particular don't care... So a Ork Waargh landed on Junkion several thousand years ago. Over hte milleinia a stale mate was reached on planet junk... The Ork's to thick to push off.. the Junkions impossible to defeat permantly due to being able to repair themselves from any junk on hand (and since the whole planet Junk is... well a junkyard....)

After a while some Junkions decided to side with the Orks... and managed to procure enough ships for the Ork Waargh to expand outwards.. riding Junkion bikes to combat.

These are stereotypical Orks, with Junkion reinforcements... thus their bikes and possibly some of there buggies are actually Junkion's... able to repair themselves and transform for additional ground support. The only other thing is that Junk Orks tend to use a lot of imperial pop culture in discussions and speaking thanks to there 'allies'. Note that imperials view this as these Ork Mocking the imperium

Main opponents: Imperium due to belief that this subset of Orks mocks the Imperium of man and the emperor

Notable Transformers: Junkion's perhaps a smattering of Decepticons and predacons.

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(note both Autobot and Decepticons possess alternate FTL than warp, but I'm ruling its slower than Necron FTL. On the other hand there space bridge network is much faster than Necron FTL but set ebtween two fixed points and is in ruins due to the original network being decimated by the birth of Slan *Cascade effect the space bridges in the eldar empire section of space were annhilated and hte feedback of that desturction destablized 90% of the rest of the galaxy's space bridge network... only a few remaining infrastructures remain.. the two largests claimed by the autobots and Decepticons factions respectivly and the core of there two empires.* and NEcron sabotage.)

Autobots- Recently returned from outside the galaxy to regroup from the Tyranid menace, is somewhat disturbed to see the state of the galaxy and HUmans in general, aside from the Humans that went with them. currently a fairly small empire on the edge of Imperial space. Focusing on rebuilding the Space bridge network which was decimated during the birth of Slann and the death of the Eldar empire.

Unfortunatly this rebuilding is being hampered by Necron assualts, and a few Chaos cults. plus the approaching Tyranid swarm is a constant worry. ON the plus side the core of the Autobot conglomerate is the largest intact spacebridge network left in the galaxy, allowing the autobots to rush reinforcements to belagured planets quicker than any other race in the galaxy except the decepticon empire *Who have a spacebridge network of htere own*.

Sadly the exterior and newest planets that join the Autbot conglomerate don't have sucha strong network yet and are the most vulnerable to attack.

THere is a fairly large population of organix members of the conglomerate (Read Humans and aliens). While the imperium of man view them as wayward sheeps, the autobots allow polite preachers of the Ecclesiarchy to preach to the HUman members about the God Emperor. At the moment the Autobot conglemerate is at uneasy peace with the imperium (The autobots aren't expansionist and the Imperium has bigger fisht o fry.. but if other threats were to vanish/die down... a war would soon follow)

Chaos cults are a tricky situation. On the one hand since transformers can be literally anything, discovering them is a bit easier. Plus the open society of the the conglermerate means the appeal of a 'secret' cult is less. On the other hand hte Autobot view of live and freedom means that it takes a lot more to justify 'cracking down' on a cult that is discovered... thus Chaos cults keep popping up as a recurring problem. and hte fact that humans and other Xenos can reach high ranks of authority in the conglmerate. only the fact that cybertonians are highly resistant to Chaos corruption keeps the cults in check and from becoming a serious problem.


Main opponents: Tyranid swarm, Necrons *C'tan fear the matrix and alt FTL must GO!*, Chaos cults *Due to the autobot beliefs*, Chaos Autobots and decepticons *Note I said highly resistant not immune to corruption*, in a cold war state with the decepticon empire.

Notable transformers: Optimus Prime, Autobots, Maximals, a smattering of more 'noble' decepticons.

more to come in my next post.
 

Rift120

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#42
factions part 2

Decepticon- The Decepticon empire was created by the Decepticons and Predacons who put aside there hatred for the autobots when presented with a real military threat, the Tyranids... while outside the galaxy, these groups decided they ahd better military experiance than teh autobots and could handle the war better. Rather than get into a counterproductive fight with the Decepticons, Optimus decided that hte Tyranid swarm was large enough that two or more fronts of attack might actually be preferable and thus gave the decepticons full autonomy to fight the tyranid swarm.

When the Cybertonians retreated back to the galaxy, the decepticons went there own way and claimed the second largest intact space bridge network. Unlike the the Autobot Conglemerate, the Decepticon Empire is much more expansionistic, wiht numerous planets conquered. However due to the lack of the space bridge, there outer territories are increasinlgy vulnerable (Much more so than the Autobot's, since the Autobots expand only slowly and build new space bridges to new planets once fuly incorporated... thus the autobots only have a fraction of vulnerable planets in comparison to the Decepticons.)

WHile they do have a signifcant population of HUmans and Xenos under them, these beings are second class citzens at best. Chaos Cults do form regularly, but the Decepticons are much more willing to crack down hard upon them. Plus HUman and other Xenos very rarely reach levels of influence where such a cult could destabilize the goverment via subversion.

ON the other hand the decepticons are attacked much more often by the other powers of the 40k verse due to there aggressive and expansionist policies. To compare from the imperium point of view. To the Imperium of man while the Autobot conglomerate is a passive threat that can be dealt with later, the Decepticon empire is a aggresive threat that must be confronted now...

note: several Decepticons still retain hatred of the Autobots and attack the Conglomerate. These 'raiders' are offically disowned by the decepticon empire. Unoffically they are essentially privateers, able to find safe port in the Decepticon empire in return for occasionaly undertaking missions that the empire needs Plausible deniability for.

main opponents: Imperium of man, eldar (When a craft world nears Decepticon space), Tyranids, Necrons (Less a threat than the autobots due to lack of matrix, but still has that FTL!), Chaos Decepticons and Autobots.

Notable Transformers: Soundwave (not sure if he should be leader or not), Constructicons, predacons.

Cybertron- the home planet of the Transformers has proven to eb mobile and was taken as a home base outside of the galaxy to face the Tyrannid swarm so long ago. now that they are back it has been located roughly in between the Autobot COnglomerate and Decepticon empire. Via treaty Cybertron is a 'neutral planet' and is the only space bridge link between the two transformers space nations. (I.e. there is a Decepticon space bridge to cybertron, and a Autobot space bridge.). Neither the Autobots, nor Decepticons control Cybertron instead using it as a place to meet where neither side has hte advantage. Due to its importance, and Eons spent fighting the Tyranids outside the galaxy. Cybertron's defense network is ridicilously heavy, on par (some would argue superior) with the defenses around Sol.

Sadly this is necessary as many of the transformers enemies see the planet as a weak link to divide the two space nations and thus attacks on it are frequent.

Main opponents: CHaos Autobot and decepticons, Necrons, Galvatron, Tyranids. (Chaos Transfromers and Galvatron are the only cybertonians not allowed back onto cybertron)

Notable Transformers: Both Metroplex and Trypticon spend a good portion of time patrolling the space around cybertron for threats... normally they swap times so never to patrol at the same time and run into each other, but htere have been a few occasions where a large attacking force has actually forced these two to fight together. Just about any Decepticon, Autobot, Predacon, and MAximal can be found her at one point of time or another.

Galvatron and the sweeps- A very frustrated menace to the universe. No known planet under his control. Galvatron followed optimus out to the beyodn to reclaim his rightful place as leader of the decepticons. Fortunatly he and his sweeps were soon seperated from the rest of the Cybertonians by the Tyranid swarm outside the galaxy, enough that the Decepticons formed there own empire without him. Still for a time he had a fairly significant force of decepticons plus his Sweeps, which disturbingly became more and more emotionless as the various millenia passed.

That was all to change once he followed Prime and hte rest of the cybertonians back to the Galaxy as a whole to regroup. Whether Unicron was a C'tan or some sort of related being that evovled int he universe during the dawn of time is unknown (Read i still haven't decided!), what soon became apparant was the process Unicron used to reformat Galvatron and his sweeps was definitaly related to the same technology the C'tan used on teh Necrontyr.

Which came first of the two processes is unimportant, what is important is that the control mechanism Unicron once used on Galvatron remained intact and was Usurped shortly after his return to the Galaxy by the Deciever. Thus the once proud leader of the Decepticon army became a Slave to the C'tan.

Over the past few centuries his 'loyal decepticons' have dwindled in the face of htere leaders bizarre actions (most becomeing decepticon 'raiders'), leaving him with only his ever growing hoard of Sweeps and the Necrons as his main power base. This and his enslavement have driven Galvatron into a massive fury and he constantly dreams and searches for some manner to 'kill' his master and preferably take over the NEcron army as his own!

While most of his Sweeps have become as emotionless as a Necron, the Deciever allows Galvatron to retain his sentience and feelings. this is for three reasons.

1. Galvatron retains his tactical ability and appears to be a seperate faction from the Necron cause...

2. Galvatrons search for a method to kill the Deciever and other C'tan is a great catspaw for such devices. Galvatron can uncover them, and then while the Deciever paralyzes or distracts him the C'tan can send in Necron units to neutralize the threat to themselves.

3. it amuses the deciever greatly to watch this powerful and proud warrior rage and misery at its fate in life. As well as his hatred and despair whenever he comes close to a weapon capable of threatening hte C'tan only to helplessly watch as his master destroy's it realizing he has only made his master stronger by removing a threat to its power.

(note Galvatron and the Sweeps are immune to Chaos corruption...they are just to far into the C'tan's grasp.)

main opponents: Every living being in the universe! Primarily the Autobots conglomerate, Decepticons empire, and Chaos Autobots as the main opponents

Notable Transformers: Galvatron, Scourge, Sweeps, a small contingent of Decepticons and Predacons loyal to the memory of Megatron... but said contingent is constantly shrinking as the disillusined cybertonians defect to the Decepticon empire as Galvatron is forced to side with the NEcrons more and more.

Chaos Decepticons Cybertonians are notoriusly resistent to becoming corrupted beings of Chaos... but resistant and immune are to seperate issue. Thus several Decepticons and Predacons have fallen and become minions of the warp.

In general these Decepticons go forth to conquer and plunder, occasionaly as individuals, occasionaly as large groups. Concernign the four powers the Chaos Decepticons tend to lean towards the worship of Khorne and Nurgle, following there credos respecitvly. And constantly menacing all cybertonians who are not Chaos Decepticons (This includes Chaos Autobots... there rivlary carrying on even into the realm of chaos).

The largest collection of Chaos Decepticons are known as Screamer's... due to their leader... Starscream, whose spark ahs mutated into a Greater Daemon! The Screamers are constantly plotting to try and bring Cybertron into the Warp, when they aren't plotting how to conquer the Decepticon empire.

Main enemies: Autobots, Decepticon empire, Galvatron, and Chaos Autobots

Notable transformers: Starscream (Greater Daemon!), Stunticons (Dead End is a devoted disciple of Nurgle), corrupted Decepticons and Predacons.

Chaos Autobots - even the mightest of heros can fall to the wiles of the ruinious powers... as these Tragic figures prove. Seduced away from the light of the MAtrix, these Fallen Autobots would be a tragic pitibale case if they weren't so dangerous!

While smaller in number than the CHaos Decepticons, the Chaos Autobots make up for it by being more organized, the majority of them falling under the command of Hot Rodimus, who was lured into the clutches of Chaos as Hot Rod. The ruinious powers playing upon his yearning and memories of the past as Rodimus prime and leader of the autobot's until OPtimus's return...

IN general Chaos Autobots lean more towards Tzeentch and Slaaneesh.

Main enemies: Autobot COnglomerate, Decepticon Empire, Chaos Decepticons... although the bitter Chaos Autobots will lash out at anyone.

Notable Transformers: Hot Rod (Now known as Hot Rodimus... yearns to be a Prime once again) follows Tzeentch, Sunstreaker whose ego and vainity had him fall prey to his new master Slaaneesh... corrupted Autobots and Maximals...

phew... that took a bit... a few miscelanious thoughts

-The C'tan fear the Matrix after learnign what it did to Unicron. Thus will not willingly directly confront Optimus prime (even in disguise), instead are sending there Necron minions and Galvatron at the Autobot empire hopeing to crush them by proxy. If Optimus could somehow corner a C'tan (Void Dragon, outsider, Deciever, or the Nightbringer) he could porbably seriously cripple or outright kill that one with the Matrix. (OF course the Matrix would have to Recharge afterwards *years, decades, centuries?* so if another C'tan were to attack Optimus before that happened he would be up a creek. fortunatly this isn't known to the C'tan.. or else the deciever might have 'sacrificed' one of his fellows to remove the matrix from play)

-There is or will shortly be after the Transformers start involving themselves int eh galaxy as a whole a Heretical cult in the Adeptus Mechanicus that argues that Primus is in actuality a facet of the Omnissiah. THis faction will probably clash violently with the 'Necrons are gifts of the Omnissiah' factions of Mechanicus due to teh Necrons obvious hostility towards the Transformers.

-The space bridges that form the core of both the Decepticon empire and Autobot Conglomerate are teh true reason none of the other races of teh 40kverse can just role over these two space nations. While comparativly small to botht eh Imperium and Tau, the fact that the Autbots and/or Decepticons can rush reinforcments to there core systems in a matter of hours via the space bridges means that at least in the core systems the transformers can achieve numerical superiority fairly quickly.

The Space bridge doesn't quite penetrate the Immatrium, but rather some alternate realm. Thus only the most strongest of Warp storms can affect a space bridge.. and even then its more akin to bad weather and delays than shutting down the transport... (the birth of Slanneesh and the Eye of Terror was a magnitude larger tho and thus is a exception)

ITs only there 'frontier' planets that lack fully functional space bridges that are at risk of being conquered by a enemy attack.

as a result Space bridge terminals are the structures that mount the heaviest defenses and security possible on any cybertonian controlled planet.

On the downside the space bridges are a 'point A to Point B' method of transit... thus while ridciilous fast, they only have a specific destination. (Thus if say a Chaos fleet was attacking Autobot Space shipping in deep space... the space bridge would be virtually useless in counteracting this as they only link planets.)

-in a Necron vs Autobot spacebattle... the NEcrons have a speed advantage. HTere FTL noticably faster than the transformers... on the other hand since all cybertonians can participate effectivly in space combat... cybertonian ships tend to have a fire power advantage over Necron ships of equivalent class.

-Junk Orcs have access to alternate FTL via there Junkion allies! Forutnatly since only a small fraction of Junkions have allied with the invading Orks (The remaining still fighting or ignoring the Orks as there personalities dictate), said Ships number only a dozen or so... and besides most Orks feel uncomfterable in the Junkion sihps so they don't use them much in there Waargghs.

well thoughts? suggestions to better flesh out these factions or other fun facts?
 

railhazard

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#43
There is or will shortly be after the Transformers start involving themselves int eh galaxy as a whole a Heretical cult in the Adeptus Mechanicus that argues that Primus is in actuality a facet of the Omnissiah. THis faction will probably clash violently with the 'Necrons are gifts of the Omnissiah' factions of Mechanicus due to teh Necrons obvious hostility towards the Transformers.
Do you plan to bring the Headmaster/Powermaster/Targetmaster process?

Will one of the late Wheeljack's spectacular failure come back to bite the Autobot's butt?

I am talking about the event related in "Autobot Spike".

Basically, Sparkplug tried his hand at building a robot named Autobot X from spare parts. It would have been used as a temporary body for heavily damaged Autobot.

Once activated, the mindless construct went completely berserk acting like Dr Frankenstein's monster. The Autobot sudbuded it but Spike was critically wounded in the process. To save his life, an extremely dangerous operation was required. To increase the odd, Wheeljack design a procedure to transfer Spike's mind into a temporary shell, Autobot X. While his human body would undergo surgery.

Let just say that while the transfer was successful, there was some nasty side-effects. Autobot Spike, was unstable and prone to bout of mindless fit of violence. He suffered from a major psychotic break after watching a movie about "Frankenstein".

He thought that he had become a monster, trashed part of HQ and escaped into the wilderness.

There, he tried to recover some bearing. Suffering under the delusion that he was a monster, he was found by Megatron.

Spike lashed at the old-bucket head, proclaiming that he would soon become like him (and evil robot monster).

Megatron shrugged effortlessly this beating and managed to calm Spike. Megatron told him that he(Megatron) was not a monster but a life-form who has realised that the inherent superiority of the cybertonian (particularly the Decepticon) entitled them to be the rulers of the universe.

Confused, Spike bought this garbage.

Megatron true motives became evident when the Autobot lead by Optimus came to bring him back. Spike armed with Megatron transformed form, attacked Optimus. O.P could not bring himself to fight back what he considered an innocent victims of the circumstances.

Fortunately, Spike's father was brought along. During the fight Sparkplug nearly fell to his death. Seeing his father in danger, Spike pulled his head from his ass and saved him. As usual the Autobot won, Megatron was forced to retreat.

Later, Spike's mind was put back into his human body.

So back to the heart of the matter, would the Heretic Adeptus Mechanicus try to replicate this procedure?(without the side-effect)

After all, they are already extensively cyborging themself. Transferring themself into Cybertonian bodies would be the logical conclusion.
 

Rift120

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#44
railhazard said:
There is or will shortly be after the Transformers start involving themselves int eh galaxy as a whole a Heretical cult in the Adeptus Mechanicus that argues that Primus is in actuality a facet of the Omnissiah. THis faction will probably clash violently with the 'Necrons are gifts of the Omnissiah' factions of Mechanicus due to teh Necrons obvious hostility towards the Transformers.
Do you plan to bring the Headmaster/Powermaster/Targetmaster process?

Will one of the late Wheeljack's spectacular failure come back to bite the Autobot's butt?

I am talking about the event related in "Autobot Spike".

Basically, Sparkplug tried his hand at building a robot named Autobot X from spare parts. It would have been used as a temporary body for heavily damaged Autobot.

Once activated, the mindless construct went completely berserk acting like Dr Frankenstein's monster. The Autobot sudbuded it but Spike was critically wounded in the process. To save his life, an extremely dangerous operation was required. To increase the odd, Wheeljack design a procedure to transfer Spike's mind into a temporary shell, Autobot X. While his human body would undergo surgery.

Let just say that while the transfer was successful, there was some nasty side-effects. Autobot Spike, was unstable and prone to bout of mindless fit of violence. He suffered from a major psychotic break after watching a movie about "Frankenstein".

He thought that he had become a monster, trashed part of HQ and escaped into the wilderness.

There, he tried to recover some bearing. Suffering under the delusion that he was a monster, he was found by Megatron.

Spike lashed at the old-bucket head, proclaiming that he would soon become like him (and evil robot monster).

Megatron shrugged effortlessly this beating and managed to calm Spike. Megatron told him that he(Megatron) was not a monster but a life-form who has realised that the inherent superiority of the cybertonian (particularly the Decepticon) entitled them to be the rulers of the universe.

Confused, Spike bought this garbage.

Megatron true motives became evident when the Autobot lead by Optimus came to bring him back. Spike armed with Megatron transformed form, attacked Optimus. O.P could not bring himself to fight back what he considered an innocent victims of the circumstances.

Fortunately, Spike's father was brought along. During the fight Sparkplug nearly fell to his death. Seeing his father in danger, Spike pulled his head from his ass and saved him. As usual the Autobot won, Megatron was forced to retreat.

Later, Spike's mind was put back into his human body.

So back to the heart of the matter, would the Heretic Adeptus Mechanicus try to replicate this procedure?(without the side-effect)

After all, they are already extensively cyborging themself. Transferring themself into Cybertonian bodies would be the logical conclusion.
interesting... most likely somehting similar to that is what caused the Iron Men rebellion....
 

railhazard

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#45
I find it a little strange that Tzeentch would re-enact the Horus Heresy plot on the Autobot.

It seems a little uninspired from him.

On the other hand, the Cybertonian factions are not a major force.

Let me guess, Starscream is a Slaneeshi deamon.

If you plan to use the headmasters or any transformers bonded with an organic, said transformers would be quite vulnerable to Chaos corruption.
 

Rift120

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#46
railhazard said:
I find it a little strange that Tzeentch would re-enact the Horus Heresy plot on the Autobot.

It seems a little uninspired from him.

On the other hand, the Cybertonian factions are not a major force.

Let me guess, Starscream is a Slaneeshi deamon.

If you plan to use the headmasters or any transformers bonded with an organic, said transformers would be quite vulnerable to Chaos corruption.
Who is to say that the Parralel to the HOrus HEresy is Tzeentch's plan?

It may be that Tzeentch has a different Plan for the CHaos Autobots (Which are fairly well organized in comparison to other CHaos powers) with Rodimus in charge.

The fact is though to corrupt Rodimus Tzeentch had to play on Hot Rods Resentment and despair over once being Rodimus Prime and leader of hte autobots, and hten being turned back to Hot Rod when Optimus returned.

with that as a basis for his corruption, it was inevitable that Chaos Rodimus would attempt a coup against Optimus before retreating to the Warp.

Since I didn't want to remove OPtimus, plus I thought it would be interesting to have some parallel to there HUman allies. I came up with the Rodimus HEresy.

And here's a thought. How do you think the Imperium will react to this twisted re-enactment of the Horus Heresy (Especially since prime SURVIVED still mobile)?

It wouldn't take much, if any at all , manipulation to make the Imperium view this as a 'mockery' of the Horus Heresy and the wounding of hte emperor. And would at least make things much more difficult for the Imperium and Autobots to ally against common threats.

(Which may be a main goal of Tzeentch's plan in the first place come to think of it)

As to Starscream... while he's a Greater Daemon. I'm leaning more towards a free agent than in service to any specific Chaos Power. although I suppose that could change I really don't see Starscreams Ego allowing him to bow to one of the greater chaos powers unless they are present in front of him.

on a unrelated note one more thought

-Black Archania and Silverbolt are members of the 'Council of Cybertron' a group of Autobot, Decepticon, Predacon, and MAximals assigned to run the planet as a 'neutral area'.

Decepticon empire appoints blakc archania as a result of Silverbolts appointment in the belief that Arachnia's relationship will allow her to influence Silverbolts vote on the council to a point more appealing to the Decepticons interest. This has been more of a mixed success, as Black Arachnia is independent enough that she votes in her OWN interest and thus the maximal/predacon lovers are a key part in keeping Cybertron neutral. (While arguing to her superiors in the empire that the occasion she sides with Silverbolt agaisnt Decepticon interests is in order to put up a front of 'independence' to the autobot and Maximals.)
 

railhazard

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#47
Since I didn't want to remove OPtimus, plus I thought it would be interesting to have some parallel to there HUman allies. I came up with the Rodimus HEresy.

And here's a thought. How do you think the Imperium will react to this twisted re-enactment of the Horus Heresy (Especially since prime SURVIVED still mobile)?

It wouldn't take much, if any at all , manipulation to make the Imperium view this as a 'mockery' of the Horus Heresy and the wounding of the emperor. And would at least make things much more difficult for the Imperium and Autobots to ally against common threats.
Well considering the state of the Imperium, the perceived mockery of "the Horus Heresy" would merely be one of the countless points that would prevent them to ally with eachother.

Philosophically, WH40K mankind is much worse than the Decepticon.

Any kind of alliance between the Autobot conglomerate and the Empire of Man is doomed from the start because one of the Imperium mission statement is "You Shall suffer no Xeno". I fear that the Cybertronian as a whole fall into the Xeno category.

Only one man could make this alliance work, sadly he has been indisposed on his throne for 10 millenia and has shown no sign of recovery.

An alliance with the Tau could work providing that the ethereal cast is not a catspawn for the C'tan. Even if the Tau are free from any kind of external influences (Chaos, C'tan, Tyranid,...). The Ethereal Cast are annal retentive bastards suffering under the delusion that THEY know what is the greater good for the Galaxy as a whole. Id est :" My WAY! or no way at all!"

The eldar are smug backstabing bastards who has been dying since Slaneesh's birth. Plus, they hate the transformers and would probably love to see them destroyed.

Expect for short ponctual alliance, or the Dino Ork, the Autobot Conglomerate will have great difficulties to find staunched allies in this war thorned Galaxy.
 

Rift120

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#48
railhazard said:
Since I didn't want to remove OPtimus, plus I thought it would be interesting to have some parallel to there HUman allies. I came up with the Rodimus HEresy.

And here's a thought. How do you think the Imperium will react to this twisted re-enactment of the Horus Heresy (Especially since prime SURVIVED still mobile)?

It wouldn't take much, if any at all , manipulation to make the Imperium view this as a 'mockery' of the Horus Heresy and the wounding of the emperor. And would at least make things much more difficult for the Imperium and Autobots to ally against common threats.
Well considering the state of the Imperium, the perceived mockery of "the Horus Heresy" would merely be one of the countless points that would prevent them to ally with eachother.

Philosophically, WH40K mankind is much worse than the Decepticon.

Any kind of alliance between the Autobot conglomerate and the Empire of Man is doomed from the start because one of the Imperium mission statement is "You Shall suffer no Xeno". I fear that the Cybertronian as a whole fall into the Xeno category.

Only one man could make this alliance work, sadly he has been indisposed on his throne for 10 millenia and has shown no sign of recovery.

An alliance with the Tau could work providing that the ethereal cast is not a catspawn for the C'tan. Even if the Tau are free from any kind of external influences (Chaos, C'tan, Tyranid,...). The Ethereal Cast are annal retentive bastards suffering under the delusion that THEY know what is the greater good for the Galaxy as a whole. Id est :" My WAY! or no way at all!"

The eldar are smug backstabing bastards who has been dying since Slaneesh's birth. Plus, they hate the transformers and would probably love to see them destroyed.

Expect for short ponctual alliance, or the Dino Ork, the Autobot Conglomerate will have great difficulties to find staunched allies in this war thorned Galaxy.
Oh I dunno... The Autobots COULD produce evidence that theyw ere allied with Humanity in the past, and all things considered I could see the Adeptus Mechanius interested in a alliance (Read chance to examine cybertonian tech)... well out side of the "I heart Necron" factions :p

granted it would be a long shot and likely take centuries (If not milleina) for it to occur..

that having been said. that was only one idea off the top of my head. Another is that Tzeentch could use this 'Horus Mockery' (as the Imperials would likely call it) to further divide the Imperium. Even if by implying to certain more fanatical memebrs of The Ecclesiarchy, that memebers of The Adeptus Mechanicus were pursusing such heretical tech (possible alliance).

Hmm for that matter it could be part of a scheme to convince the Imperium to shy away from imitating Cybertonian tech (After all if hte Imperium stopped useing the Warp the chaos powers would have less oppurtunities for mschief).

Also don't forget the idea of Waspinator as the secret head of the Adeptus Custodes. Which would likely make them pro, albiet highly subtle about it, Cybertonian.

Woah.. big thought! one of Tzeentch's longer term schemes.. expose the pro-cybertonian *or even waspinator!* Adeptus Custodes with the long term goal to conivnce hte imperium to replace the body guards of the Emperor with a more 'corrutable' bodyguard!
 

railhazard

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#49
Woah.. big thought! one of Tzeentch's longer term schemes.. expose the pro-cybertonian *or even waspinator!* Adeptus Custodes with the long term goal to conivnce hte imperium to replace the body guards of the Emperor with a more 'corrutable' bodyguard!
Rather unambitious compared to the whole Horus heresy scheme.

Now here's my idea about Tzeentch long term scheme.

He plans to give to the Imperium what they always wanted, the return of the GEoM.

Several millenia after the Horus Heresy, It became evident to Waspinator that the Imperium envisioned by his friend is hopelessly unsalvageable.

He had an Epiphany. The only way to save mankind from its downward spiral of destruction, is to bring back the Emperor.

To do that, he planed to transfer the Gestalt Soul forming the Emperor into a blank Maximal Protoform. Aware of the consequences if this gambit fail (particulary for the Astropath beacon network), he schemed and planed in the shadows of the golden Throne for millenia with the assistance of the Adaptus Custodes.

To prevent the collapse of the Astropathic network, he planed to extract the Initial Psychic Gestalt which formed the Emperor, letting bonded to the golden throne the gestalt formed from the souls sacrificed to sustained the GEoM.

He pulled the "Autobot Spike" gambit much more successfully than Wheeljack. The Emperor is alive, lucid and as stable mentalywise as he ever was. But there were several side effect.

-His psyker level was lowered from unfathomable to Delta level.

-Being a Robot in disguise, even if his alternate mode mirrored perfectly his former body, shot down his credibility with the High lord of Terra.

In fact, H.L declared him an impostor, a foul machination from the Blasphemous Cybertronian. Waspinator, the GEoM and the adeptus custodes are forced to escape from Terra.

CIVIL WAR!

While the Emperor(slowly recovering his Psyker power) and the H.L are fighting each other, Tzeentch can enacted his "Starchild" gambit upon the Gestalt Soul bonded on the Golden Throne. The New caretaker of the Golden Throne will keep feeding the Gestalt on the golden throne with psyker soul until it reach a critic point.

Then once said critic point is reached, they would shutdown the throne, freeing the gestalt, creating a second Eye of Terror centered on Terra and the Solar segmentum.

The resulting warp storms so close to Mars and would destroy the Void Dragon and blow-up the Great Warding built by the Necron.
 
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