Harry Potter Turn Back the Clock

[zerohour]

This came to me in a dream, so that means it's either brilliant, or incredibly stupid.

The basic idea, is that Voldemort realizes that the wizarding world as it is is too difficult to control, or too damaged by his attempts at power to bother with. PLus, it has the added difficulty of Dumbledore being around to oppose him, and the person dstind to oppose him.

So, he decides that if it's too difficult to rule now, and, like Harry in many a fanfiction, decides to go back in time to a point where he can conquer without the problems of today. There are plenty of times that he could go back to and establish himself as a major power, and solidify that power without anyone able to effectively oppose him. So by the time Harry is born, he effectively rules the magical world.

Harry, as one marked by the Dark Lord, would naturally have immunity to having his parents killed/forgetting the original timeline, otherwise, there wouldn't be much of a story.

Possible Points Voldemort Travelled to:
-Age of Merlin, perhaps killing and replacing Merlin as the greatest wizard ever
-Any point where there is a major conflict going on (WW1, WW2, American Revolution, Napoleon, etc.) the earlier, the better.
-World War 2. Covered by previosu option, but this would be a great time for Voldemort to assassinate Dumbledore and usurp Grindelwald and lead the Nazis to victory.
-Way, way back, before most spells and technology has been discovered.


Possible ways this can play out:
-Harry tries to go back in time and stop this from ever happening.
-There is a war between magical factions, and Harry's family is against Voldemort
-There is a war between magical factions, and Harry;s family is with Voldemort.
-Voldemort rules everything, forcing Harry to become the new "Dark Lord" to overthrow him.


So what do you guys think? Crazy enough to work, or just crazy?

 

[Tentrees]

Or Voldie flubs a spell (or wormtail twitches as his magic is drained to power said spell) and Voldie is sent so far back Gilgamesh is not even been written.

Can we say Ancient God King?

 

[Typhonis]

Have some real fun. He flubs it very badly..... looks around the forest he is in , wondering where the people are when he gets bitten in half by a hungry T rex.

 

[Oni_kawaii]

The Hyborian Age

All hail Emperor Voldemort Ruler of Stygia.
Now if only Thoth-Amon would stop trying to oppose him.

 

[Tentrees]

Or he goes back a few years before the time of the founders and his actions are such that they get to gether earlier and have a Crown mandate to produce both hit wizards and healers for the Crown to fight Voldiewarts....they vanquish him but are left dealing with his damage to England/Britain and the fact that he has had at least four seperate risings including the one that claimed Harry's parents. He is seen as a cleaning warror for magic by the purist factions and a eternal boogie man by the Light.

By the time of the Golden Trio Horgarts is part of the great educational network of England and is the premier magical academy for the Crown. More classes and many more teacher teaching a more balenced view of the world and magic and the laws set down by the Kings about the total renunciation of Black Magic.

By this point Voldie is down to one or two Horcrux and is majorly hurt.

 

[FreedInhibition]

Or he goes back a few years before the time of the founders and his actions are such that they get to gether earlier and have a Crown mandate to produce both hit wizards and healers for the Crown to fight Voldiewarts....they vanquish him but are left dealing with his damage to England/Britain and the fact that he has had at least four seperate risings including the one that claimed Harry's parents. He is seen as a cleaning warror for magic by the purist factions and a eternal boogie man by? the Light.

By the time of the Golden Trio Horgarts is part of the great educational network of England and is the premier magical academy for the Crown. More classes and many more teacher teaching a more balenced view of the world and magic and the laws set down by the Kings about the total renunciation of Black Magic.

By this point Voldie is down to one or two Horcrux and is majorly hurt.

I love this one. DO IT NOW.... please? Pwease!? *Doe Eyes*

 

[Typhonis]

Could be worse I guesss Harry gets sent back to the time of the Founders and meets a ginger...

" Greetings and well met stranger I am called Godric Gryffidor. By what name are you known?"

Harry rolled his eyes in exasperation at the man. This dream was just too damn weird. " You can call me Salazar Slytherin."

 

[He-who-voted-for-Kodos]

Or Voldie flubs a spell (or wormtail twitches as his magic is drained to power said spell) and Voldie is sent so far back Gilgamesh is not even been written

I was just in the Fate section. So my first thought when I read this was Voldemort meeting the King of Heroes and calling him a mudblood. This would naturally be followed by Gilgamesh calling Voldemort a mongrel, and impaling him on hundreds of swords as Voldie tries desperately to kill Gilgamesh. /Good End.\

 

[Tentrees]

Or he goes back a few years before the time of the founders and his actions are such that they get to gether earlier and have a Crown mandate to produce both hit wizards and healers for the Crown to fight Voldiewarts....they vanquish him but are left dealing with his damage to England/Britain and the fact that he has had at least four seperate risings including the one that claimed Harry's parents. He is seen as a cleaning warror for magic by the purist factions and a eternal boogie man byá the Light.

By the time of the Golden Trio Horgarts is part of the great educational network of England and is the premier magical academy for the Crown. More classes and many more teacher teaching a more balenced view of the world and magic and the laws set down by the Kings about the total renunciation of Black Magic.

By this point Voldie is down to one or two Horcrux and is majorly hurt.

I love this one. DO IT NOW.... please? Pwease!? *Doe Eyes*

It would change EVERYTHING AFTER ABOUT 950 or so. A major AU. Best done first as Voldiemort going back then in historical flashbacks as the kids learn about the histroy of magic and its interactions with the Crown and the History of Hogwarts.

From that point on it would also have major effect on the magical world, That is not a hope in hell of remaining hidden. But I strongly suspect that the Crown would have a significant say in the life of any magical.

So would the church having to come to terms with the Crowns wizards and witches both healing and protecting the realm against those who would use magic against their fellow men. (As appossed to daffy inventors like Arthur Weasley who have something go a little hay wire occassionally).

 

[Belgarion213]

If he went back far enough and had a big as effect I could see to a degree something that if you squinted at it right would be almost like ZNT. That is while there was a basic ruling class based on 'my stick is bigger than your stick' Voldemort basically changes all of human history by having some countries with literally a magical powerful ruling class. Now the numbers of magical wouldn't let that happen for the entire world but even if he lost horribly as the number of non-magical people rose up and tore down these guys could be interesting. Could be even more interesting if he succeeds and Harry finds himself in a world where the concept of magical power not automatically meaning authority is a 'relatively new' concept and there are still throwbacks. Yeah unlikely has hell but either direction would be rather interesting in a world building way. (Yes I know its highly unlikely that a magical powerful ruling class would occur in our world but it COULD be interesting to see how Voldemort tries to pull it of)

 

[zeebee1]

If Voldemort couldn't beat an old Dumbledore how would he defeat a younger one?

 

[Belgarion213]

Well to be fair an older Dumbledore probably has more time to delve into highly exotic magical law and branches that his younger counterpart just doesn't have the time to. While the younger Dumbledore probably has better reflexes and stamina, older Dumbledore would probably trump him with just perfecting his spells, practice and new magical branches/tricks.

 

[Tom_Badgerlock]

Well to be fair an older Dumbledore probably has more time to delve into highly exotic magical law and branches that his younger counterpart just doesn't have the time to. While the younger Dumbledore probably has better reflexes and stamina, older Dumbledore would probably trump him with just perfecting his spells, practice and new magical branches/tricks.

Most likely the opposite.

It seems to me Old!Dumbledore was very, very scared of actually doing anything given his... problem... with how he needed redemption.

Honeslty, i can't think Of Voldemort being anything but a mook in most setting <_<

 

[zerohour]

If Voldemort couldn't beat an old Dumbledore how would he defeat a younger one?

Depends on how much younger.

-Dumblerdore at the peak of his power? Probably not, unless he takes advantage of Grindelwald fighting him and slaying him while he's weak afterwards.
-Dumbledore as a student? Probably
-Dumbledore starting Hogwarts? Definitely. Moreso as he gets younger.

Heck, Voldy might take some special pleasure into taking a young DUmbledore and Grindelwald under his wing and having them as his right hand men in the conquest of the world. Why kill when you can turn them to your cause?

 

[Lord of Bones]

Or he goes back a few years before the time of the founders and his actions are such that they get to gether earlier and have a Crown mandate to produce both hit wizards and healers for the Crown to fight Voldiewarts....they vanquish him but are left dealing with his damage to England/Britain and the fact that he has had at least four seperate risings including the one that claimed Harry's parents. He is seen as a cleaning warror for magic by the purist factions and a eternal boogie man byá the Light.

By the time of the Golden Trio Horgarts is part of the great educational network of England and is the premier magical academy for the Crown. More classes and many more teacher teaching a more balenced view of the world and magic and the laws set down by the Kings about the total renunciation of Black Magic.

By this point Voldie is down to one or two Horcrux and is majorly hurt.

I love this one. DO IT NOW.... please? Pwease!? *Doe Eyes*

Or, y'know, he goes back in time and sets himself up as Immortal God-Emperor of the World.

And lol at the Crown mandate. Since he goes back to a time earlier than the founders, he'd show up any time between the 8th and 10th centuries. There was no unified English royal family until 1066; and the current English royal family is directly descended from William the Bastard (aka the Conqueror).

Voldie would show up long before there was a Crown.

 

[zerohour]

So King Voldemort?


Hm... so what would be the social positions of muggles/mugleborn/halfblood/purebloods in Voldie's vision of utopia?

I'm thinking serfs/servants or concubines/lesser nobles/nobles or royalty.

That makes me wonder what the policy for introducing muggleborns into the wizarding world would be, would they be taken from their families at birth, or taken at age 11 when they start learning magic?

 

[Tentrees]

I think were missing the point that Riddle wanted to kill everyone. His actions were not geared toward long term rule but immediate gratification and personal power.

A monster on two legs with a wand.

I doubt he could make a governmennt from scratch. Thats to much like work and forcing his followers to make one ties them down pushing parchment. Even seconding the church and the various scribes aval;iable in th e950s wouln't give him the ability to really organize. At not without forming alliances and Riddle was never about power sharing.

as for muggleborn or half-bloods I think he would probably move to support not he purists butthe landed magical nobility. They had money, men, and political influence.

What did the purists have?

Thats assumiing he arrived with all his facilities intact and not in the middle of a witch burning where his snakiness would be labeled a demon and attacked on sight.

 

[Lord of Bones]

The guy planned out immortality, conquest and convoluted gambits; give him some credit. At that point in time, Voldemort would gather all magic-users under his banner; people forget that he's also a charismatic Magnificent Bastard in addition to being a reject from a genetics laboratory.

And you're assuming there is magical nobility. Given his tendency to play the power behind the throne, it's quite likely he'd disguise himself and start playing people off against one another.

 

[Tentrees]

Well pointed. Lord Bones. The power behind the throne thing might work for him but aI doubt that he would be able to do it all himself.

Then again he could use his puppet kings power to make his own school of magic...

 

[kingdark]

I read something like that on an obscure site a while ago. It was badly written so I'm taking the story and combining it with my own thoughts of the matter.

Several schools spread around the world in three branches. (plus one official branch)
and just to make this clear: there are several schools of each branch throughout the world.

A school for muggleborn where the most basic magic is taught for them to use as servants and what not. these graduates are considered nothing but low personnel amount up to nothing. Like a caste.

The second school was for half bloods. These are taught more magic and are middle class.

The third are the elite. Are taught by the best and can do anything they wish.

Dumbledore was forced into hiding and there is a fourth school of rebels and such that tracked down any magical to be taught as much knowledge as possible. The fourth school wasn't hogwarts but a facility hidden by dozens of wards so that it is impossible to find even by wizard kind.

The author said something of the house elves fleeing / leaving Hogwarts and joining this fourth school.

Harry wasn't raised by his relatives but would be / was still abused by / character of the new authors choice.