Twili Link

The Eromancer

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#1
Okay I've finally tinkered out how to realistically have "dark/shadow Link" and not have to pull bullshit out of my ass and hope it smells nice... <_<

If it wasn't obvious enough from the topic title I came upon the idea that using a Twili who resembles Link to a startling degree would be better than some half-thought out plot device where Dark Link is actually Gannon's creation.

See the real problem was Dark or Shadow Link as we've seen played out in OoT and Adventure of Link (I heard there was one in four swords but I've never played it and might be wrong) is that he was and has always been a creation to truely test the Hero's resolve and will to live -at least the way I see it. In OoT Dark Link was more than likely a temple gardian of some sort, to guard the Longshot. In Adventure of Link a final test for the bearer of the Triforce of Courage. But in the end none of them actually had any real life or personality. Mere copies and those can't really be used for story perposses in a realistic fashion.

But with the recent addition of Twilight Princess into the Zelda ranks I now see a viable option open. Make (for simplicities sake) "Sadow" AKA Dark Link, a Twili. It works so well too, here we have a race of shadow people; literally! Now in accordance I'd speculate that Sadow might lean more towards the magic side of combat rather than actually swordplay, the Twili got themselves in trouble because of that and really I see no reason for them to actually STOP using magic especially after they got banished. Might have even added fuel to the fire.

So, Sadow would be leaning more towards "Battle Mage" than he would "Fighter".

Now as for how this applies to you all? Well I know I've still got a few things to work out with this idea and their are a few things I'd like your opinion on, if ya wouldn't mind?

1st ~ The "Circuit-Tattoos" all Twili seem to have in some form or another. Would you all say its just naturally part of their appearance, something more or purely cosmetic?

2nd ~ Would all the Twili look more like Midna once Zhnat's spell was broken or would they just naturally look like that?

3rd ~ Midna seemed to have grey/white skin, can it be deduced that other Twili (assuming they are SUPPOSED to look like her) would/could have varrying shades of gray to pitch black in reflection to the light world's own multitude of different colors of skin-tone?

4th ~ Hair seems to be quite bright and vivid... by Midna's standards, are the Red eyes and Fire-red hair unique only to her or rather common?

5th ~ Assuming Sadow would take more after the "Battle Mage" approach to a fight what powers could we think he could use? Something dark and shadowy or is that just too obvious?
 

Deathwings

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#2
Interesting concept...

By the way, you really should read the "Legend of Zelda : Four Swords" official manga, it feature a complettly indepandant Dark Link who actually rebel against Ganon.

In fact, you really should read all the official manga you can get your hand on, because while not cannon compliant on certain matter, it does help in translating the game mechanic and it allow better insight for certain character first of all being Link since in the manga, he actually talk (gasp!)...surprising, isn't it ? ;)

Anyway...one of the explanation you could use to justify the fact that Link has a Twili equivalent is that the Twili are actually the descendant of the Sheika.

Because really, not only do they share that whole shadow obscession but the legend (in other word, the old man of Kakariko village) say that for each Hylian born a shadow folk (sheikan) is born as well...

That and I can totally see the Sheika losing their patience and lashing out at the Hylian for the discrimination.
After all, they're the royal family best vassal but they still can't go out in the open because other peoples distrust them.
It wouldn't be surprising if a little group of Sheika warlock decide to try a coupt and the whole specie got accused in return.

Or at least it's what I think... :huh.:
 

The Eromancer

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#3
I know about the manga, but don't know where the hell to find them. You have a link of something to a torrent or website I could have?

Anyways, so you say the Dark Link in "Four Swords" rebels against Gannon? How does that work, how is he any different from the others and Link TALKING?? Well I know he MUST have talked or either that everyone is VERY perceptive of his facial and body expressions- unlikely.

He doesn't say "Well, excuUuse me, Princess" does he? please say he doesn't!!! :rant:

...Right, moving along. :sweat:

Descendant of the Sheika. Now that's a concept I haven't thought of before, but it does make sense, this would of course mean that the red eyes of the Sheika would also be prevalent in the Twili as well and that the Twili you fight and kill on several occasions throughout the game are in fact twisted from their original form. Midna does say in the game that her people were changed but I didn't know if I should think they were changed mentally or physically. If I do the Sheika rout here then they were changed physically, obviously.

but there's still their skin-tone to deal with, not exactly normal. I could just say its a byproduct of living in the Twilight Realm for so long. The game doesn't really specify HOW long the Twili have been banished, but from what I gathered its been a VERY long time. Could work.

That and I can totally see the Sheika losing their patience and lashing out at the Hylian for the discrimination.
After all, they're the royal family best vassal but they still can't go out in the open because other peoples distrust them.
It wouldn't be surprising if a little group of Sheika warlock decide to try a coupt and the whole specie got accused in return.
Ehhh, didn't the game say the Twili were banished because they played around with magic in a manner they shouldn't have? I'm pretty sure its strongly hinted at that the Majora's Mask was made by the Twili, intentionally or not. Also like I said before, the Twili were banished for playing around with magic improperly not some Coup.

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Alright recap.

Twili are the descendants of the Sheika, or perhaps the other way around. They were banished from Hyrule by (?Goddesses?Sages?) for supposedly playing around with magic inappropriately. Its strongly hinted that the Majora's Mask is one such creation of the Twili or rather they corrupted it.

They have been banished for so long their bodies have begun to change and adapt to the new environment -perhaps there are some rather dangerous beasts in the Twilight Realm. Whatever the reason, their skin-tone now ranges from light gray to pitch black (there, now we have drow). Their eyes, the same red eyes as the Sheika, have withstood the test of time.

Some many centuries later Gannon was banished into the twilight realm by the Sages, probably from the divergent timeline where Link has gone back as a kid. Although that still leaves a lot to be explained for HOW he got his hands on a piece of the Triforce- but, oh well. (could also explain why the Gerudo seem to have vanished)

Once there Gannon and Zhant somehow met up, Gannon the ever powertrippy old-fart that he is comes up with some grand scheme to take Hyrule and uses ALL of the Twili through the gullible and power hungry Zhant to do it. After staging a successful coup in the Twilight Realm they storm Hyrule by force and ALMOST win, if it just wasn't for that one stupid ranch hand! (ha ha :snigger: ) Then the Twilight Princess story goes on and things get back to normal - for the most part.

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Okay, so that is what I've worked out so far, but there are still some questions I need answers too.

1st ~ The "Circuit-Tattoos" all Twili seem to have in some form or another. Would you all say its just naturally part of their appearance, something more or purely cosmetic?

-- I was thinking perhaps they are actually more than simple cosmetic tattoos, ALL the Twili seem to have them even the changed ones. Is it perhaps something along the same lines of Ruins on a magic sword? Or is it something deeper? Perhaps these circuit-tattoos are a reflection of the amount of Twili magic in an object? The more powerful something in the more "magic circuits" it has. This reflects both on individuals and items enchanted by the Twili.

5th ~ Assuming Sadow would take more after the "Battle Mage" approach to a fight what powers could we think he could use? Something dark and shadowy or is that just too obvious?

-- I still have no ideas for this one.

(NEW!) 6th ~ Warlock, would it be best to actually use the Warlock Class from DnD? A little variation but something along the same line perhaps? I kinda look at them as sorcerers who have an U.M.T. (Unlimited Mana/Magic Tap) and if that were the case and we combined my idea for #1 then Twili Warlocks could resemble the bone-dude (Kimimaru?) from Naruto with his cursed seal activated.
 

zeebee1

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#4
While it seems you came up with a viable solutiin there is one problem. There is no plot.
 

Konous

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#5
If it wasn't obvious enough from the topic title I came upon the idea that using a Twili who resembles Link to a startling degree would be better than some half-thought out plot device where Dark Link is actually Gannon's creation.


Ero I'm sorry to say that sounds like a worse plot device than the Ganon one. At least OoT Dark Link was based DIRECTLY on link, Twili link according to yours would just have them look alike, with no basis for how it would work out.


Why not have Midna give Link some of her blood out of need to save him and that alters his genetic code?
 

The Eromancer

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#6
Konous said:
If it wasn't obvious enough from the topic title I came upon the idea that using a Twili who resembles Link to a startling degree would be better than some half-thought out plot device where Dark Link is actually Gannon's creation.


Ero I'm sorry to say that sounds like a worse plot device than the Ganon one. At least OoT Dark Link was based DIRECTLY on link, Twili link according to yours would just have them look alike, with no basis for how it would work out.


Why not have Midna give Link some of her blood out of need to save him and that alters his genetic code?
and sometimes I hate intelligent people.

Look, I haven't worked out a plot yet, this is character backstory. Plus in a way deathwings kinda fleshed the Twili out more and gave the Sheika more history.

I'm not trying to create a Twili who both looks and acts like Link, gods that so cliche I'd kill myself. No, I'm trying to create a character who has more LIFE to them. Sure he may look astoundingly like Link but that's where I draw the line and make "Sadow" all his own.

He's not Link's dark reflection (he could be an enemy), he's not going to fight like Link, he's not even going to act like him.

But for now, I'm focusing on his looks and possible powers. I'll get into his personality when I finally start to write my fic. But most importantly of all I'm just trying to give the Twili MORE. Like those little questions I ask at the end of each post so far. I'd just like your opinion on them, not to much to ask is it?

This is more world building than character building people, right now I'm focusing on the Twili people at the moment. I'll get into cultural inclination later.
 

SotF

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#7
One option would be to go with the an anti-Link of sorts, not an evil Link, but a more anti-hero Link rather than a straight hero
 

The Eromancer

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#8
That's exactly what i was thinking actually. The story would be kinda similar in that you have "the Hero" saving the day, but with this one... its more of "he got dragged, kicking and punched all the way to save the day" Anti-Hero.

Such characters like Artimes and Jarlaxle from R.A. Salvatore's Forgotten Realms books are the main insperation here. And in classic Zelda style... there will be puzzles, many MANY puzzles.
 

Deathwings

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#9
The Eromancer said:
I know about the manga, but don't know where the hell to find them.? You have a link of something to a torrent or website I could have?

Anyways, so you say the Dark Link in "Four Swords" rebels against Gannon?? How does that work, how is he any different from the others and Link TALKING??? Well I know he MUST have talked or either that everyone is VERY perceptive of his facial and body expressions- unlikely.?

He doesn't say "Well, excuUuse me, Princess" does he? please say he doesn't!!! :rant:

...Right, moving along.? :sweat:

Descendant of the Sheika. Now that's a concept I haven't thought of before, but it does make sense, this would of course mean that the red eyes of the Sheika would also be prevalent in the Twili as well and that the Twili you fight and kill on several occasions throughout the game are in fact twisted from their original form.? Midna does say in the game that her people were changed but I didn't know if I should think they were changed mentally or physically.? If I do the Sheika rout here then they were changed physically, obviously.

but there's still their skin-tone to deal with, not exactly normal.? I could just say its a byproduct of living in the Twilight Realm for so long.? The game doesn't really specify HOW long the Twili have been banished, but from what I gathered its been a VERY long time.? Could work.

That and I can totally see the Sheika losing their patience and lashing out at the Hylian for the discrimination.
After all, they're the royal family best vassal but they still can't go out in the open because other peoples distrust them.
It wouldn't be surprising if a little group of Sheika warlock decide to try a coupt and the whole specie got accused in return.
Ehhh, didn't the game say the Twili were banished because they played around with magic in a manner they shouldn't have? I'm pretty sure its strongly hinted at that the Majora's Mask was made by the Twili, intentionally or not. Also like I said before, the Twili were banished for playing around with magic improperly not some Coup.

~~~~~

Alright recap.

Twili are the descendants of the Sheika, or perhaps the other way around. They were banished from Hyrule by (?Goddesses?Sages?) for supposedly playing around with magic inappropriately. Its strongly hinted that the Majora's Mask is one such creation of the Twili or rather they corrupted it.

They have been banished for so long their bodies have begun to change and adapt to the new environment -perhaps there are some rather dangerous beasts in the Twilight Realm. Whatever the reason, their skin-tone now ranges from light gray to pitch black (there, now we have drow). Their eyes, the same red eyes as the Sheika, have withstood the test of time.

Some many centuries later Gannon was banished into the twilight realm by the Sages, probably from the divergent timeline where Link has gone back as a kid. Although that still leaves a lot to be explained for HOW he got his hands on a piece of the Triforce- but, oh well. (could also explain why the Gerudo seem to have vanished)

Once there Gannon and Zhant somehow met up, Gannon the ever powertrippy old-fart that he is comes up with some grand scheme to take Hyrule and uses ALL of the Twili through the gullible and power hungry Zhant to do it. After staging a successful coup in the Twilight Realm they storm Hyrule by force and ALMOST win, if it just wasn't for that one stupid ranch hand! (ha ha :snigger: ) Then the Twilight Princess story goes on and things get back to normal - for the most part.

~~~~~~

Okay, so that is what I've worked out so far, but there are still some questions I need answers too.

1st ~ The "Circuit-Tattoos" all Twili seem to have in some form or another. Would you all say its just naturally part of their appearance, something more or purely cosmetic?

-- I was thinking perhaps they are actually more than simple cosmetic tattoos, ALL the Twili seem to have them even the changed ones. Is it perhaps something along the same lines of Ruins on a magic sword? Or is it something deeper? Perhaps these circuit-tattoos are a reflection of the amount of Twili magic in an object? The more powerful something in the more "magic circuits" it has. This reflects both on individuals and items enchanted by the Twili.

5th ~ Assuming Sadow would take more after the "Battle Mage" approach to a fight what powers could we think he could use? Something dark and shadowy or is that just too obvious?

-- I still have no ideas for this one.

(NEW!) 6th ~ Warlock, would it be best to actually use the Warlock Class from DnD? A little variation but something along the same line perhaps? I kinda look at them as sorcerers who have an U.M.T. (Unlimited Mana/Magic Tap) and if that were the case and we combined my idea for #1 then Twili Warlocks could resemble the bone-dude (Kimimaru?) from Naruto with his cursed seal activated.
I do know a website, but unfortunately, said website host the French version of the differents manga...do you know French ? :sweat:

Well, anyway...I can still give you a basic rundown of each Link I know of...

OoT!Link is the basic hero, bright and somewhat naive as a kid, the desolation in Hyrule 7 years later force him to grown up mentally as well. He is still an optimist but see the world at it is, really dark. As a side note, the manga actually give us the origin of LinkÆs earring, they are sheikan mark of accomplishment given to him by Impa for surviving her training, Link is an honorary sheika warrior. :p

MM!Link is the same as OoT!Linkàas a side note, the manga clearly state that Termina is a parallel dimension of Hyrule.

4Swords!Link(s) is the son of the actual captain of the royals knights and the youngest knight as well as Zelda childhood friend. He is very prideful and until he is forced to cooperate with his doubles consider having teammates as a bother. Each double is an incarnation of one of his rarely show face (red=anger, blue=cheerfulness, violet=cold and calculating).

I am not going to describe the Link from the Oracle branch because they are mostly a mix of OoT!Link and green Link from 4 Sword.

Minish Cap I know nothing about because the manga like the game didnÆt interest me all that muchà

Now, the version I prefer ALttP!Link, who is also the one in LinkÆs Awakening by the way. That particular Link has the same make up as OoT!Link with some little exceptions : he was actively trained in the sword and he is a real battle maniac. What I mean is that he is completely addicted to the adrenalin that come with dungeon exploring. The last difference is that he also has one acidic sense of humor (he even mock Zelda once if I correctly remember)àhe actually is a pretty cool shonen hero. :p

By the way, one of the common trait between all Link that I need to point out, is that they all are rather prideful (4Sword!Link even more so) and generally never lost an occasion to boast.

Well, other then thatàthe sheika issue, letÆs seeà

One, keep in mind the saying ½ history is written by the victor ?àdo you really believe that the royal families would openly say in their history record ½ Okay we fuck up. Big time. We push the sheika so far that they finally snap and push backàhard, as in letÆs-stole-the-triforce-and-slaughter-these-hylians-assholes hard. ?, do you ?
Even the Light Guardian could be lying, they obviously were created to fight the shadow magic, do you really think they would describe their enemy as anything but evil in that situation ?

Time to put some grey area in that ultra Black & White world that is The Legend of Zelda.

For the skin thing, keep in mind that they were send into a sunless world completely filled with shadow energy and they continue to use their magic after thatàitÆs bound to produce some mutation in their DNA, such as the blue/grey skin.

The tattoos are most likely traditional in nature, they could also be use to help in channeling their magic since they seem to glow when exposed to energy sources (like MidnaÆs Helmet of DoomÖ).

They definitely would be warlock or at least warmageàdonÆt forget to add some basic ninjutsu in the mix, at least for their warriors (they do need some, everyone cannot become a mage), because while not the most reliable of source, SSBM do show Sheik has ninja style fighter (kunai, Shunshin and agility Ó la Spiderman).

TP most likely happen after OoT, there far too many hints to be otherwise, chief among them the fact that Ganondorf is already in possession of his triforce.
Another little thing in order to make the royal families look a little less shiny and all, make the Judgment Tower (which was a prison it should be noted) what is left of the gerudo fortress or simply built on it. Building such a thing where once stood the gerudoàdonÆt you think it would be the ultimate insult for a tribe of thief ? A petty revenge against a tribe who gave birth to Ganondorf (and end up under his thumb as well, the first to too, not that the hylian, in their greeeeeat wisdom, care or anything), he ?

Well, that close what I had to sayàthis is actually my biggest post here, damnà

Fell free to ask advice on this any time. B)
 

Lord Raine

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#10
First off:

The tattoos aren't cosmetic. Too much of a coincidence. Look at all the Shadow Magic we've seen so far. Notice a recurring theme? It's that circuit pattern, and it's everywhere. On the portals, the ground when they warp in, the atmosphere of lands that have been Covered in Twilight, on their bodies (whether they've been 'turned' or not). It's even on their most powerful artifact (the Fused Shadow made Whole).

No way is it just cosmetic. That's got something to do with their magic, and it's most likely something that all of their magic has in common. A trademark of Shadow Magic, if you will.


What is it, exactly? IIRC, the story mentions that the Goddesses 'sealed' the power of Shadow Magic when they cast what we now know as the Twili into the Shadow realm. It's possible that the 'runes' are the limiters that the Goddesses placed upon Shadow Magic, inhibiting it and keeping it's users from growing too powerful.

What did Ganon do? Simple. He used his Triforce piece to undo the limiter on Zants magic, by combining his own 'Dark' magic with Zants 'Shadow' magic. Remember, Minda 'almost' recognized the shard for what it was. She said that it was 'similar' to Shadow Magic, but seemed 'more wild'.

It's possible that Ganons 'Dark' magic is actually Shadow Magic, but because he has a Triforce piece, he can bypass the 'restrictions' that were placed upon it by the Goddesses.


So here's what I think happened. Take it as you will, and keep in mind that I can't remember all the details.

War for the Triforce. We see a group of people harness it's powers for themselves. These three (if the cutscene means anything) Knights of Hyrule use it's powers to grow strong, both in the arts of magic and swordsmanship. The best, the greatest, and the most powerful. But power corrupts, and these three men fell into Shadow as they gave up more and more of their humanity, delving deeper and deeper into the Black and Forbidden Arts, and bringing ruin upon the land as they ruled with iron fists and dark will.

Reacting to this, the Triforce itself responded, and the Goddesses (through the Triforce) cast the three Warlocks and all their followers outside the realm of Hyrule to dwell forever in Twilight. Stripped of their former glory and with their powers 'sealed' to prevent them from returning, the race of people (who eventually named themselves Twili) eked out a living in the Twilight, honing their magics and perfecting their society.

However, in their infinite wisdom, the Goddesses foresaw the need for the Twilis power one day in the future. Knowing that despite the harsh punishment they meted out, none are ever truly beyond redemption, the Goddesses left behind a single link between the World of the Dawn and the Realms of Twilight.

The Twilight Mirror.


Time marches on, as it always does. The seasons change, the cycle of life and death goes on. And a single path of blood from the ancient line of Hyruliean Knights continues to survive. From this line, a hero springs forth time and time again to protect and defend. An eternal savior, reincarnated throughout the millennia again and again to save the Realms of Hyrule no matter what threatens them.

His foe? Another whose line can be traced. For while Link is of a line of Hyrule Knights, so is the one known as Ganondorf.

Time and again they clash, and each time Ganondorf is forced to retreat into the ether and regroup.

Until one time, his plans are foiled even more greatly than he could have guessed. Captured, contained, and sentenced to pass through a hole in the world itself, from which none had ever escaped.


But luck was with the Darkness that day. For when Ganondorf awoke, he found himself not alone in the reaches of a neverending void, but in a bastion of magic.

The Old Magics. The Forbidden Magics. A place where the forces the he thought he alone possessed were but common fare.

But something was wrong. Something was. . . different, about this magic.

It was weak. Tame. Diluted and flaccid.


It was then, at that moment, that the final pieces to the puzzle fell into place. There, in the Realms of Eternal Twilight, the being known as Ganon became the first to realize the true history of Hyrule, and what it must entail.

There, he understood that his own magics were nothing more than Twili magic restored with the power of the Triforce. He realized that his line was of the line of traitors and oathbreakers, the line of the Warlocks. He realized that he was the first male child of his line, the first to be born with such magical powers, solely because he possessed a piece of the Triforce, which voided the decree of the Goddesses. He was nothing less than the Dark Knights of Legend, reborn through blood and the Sacred Golden Power.

Armed with a knowledge that no other possessed and with all the powers of the Old World at his fingertips, he set out in Darkness to find one who he could use and dispose of. A Pawn, one who could be played for a fool, and set to fall when the time was right.

He found Zant.


But all is not lost, for Hope always finds a way. The link was left for good reason, and even closed it still holds a connection to the Dawn. And through this tiny, infinitesimal crack in the worlds, a whispered blessing of Light slips through, a spark that ignites the soul of one who knew not what he was.

Without parentage or lineage, without meaning or worth, still the spark of hope burns in the breast of one who is nothing less than royal, even though he knows it not.

For within him, there is birthed something that has not been seen since the days when men beheld the Triforce with their own eyes. A blood that is as ancient as the Heros himself, a direct descendent of the Warlocks of lore.


Hope is found in the oddest of places. Even in the breasts of those who lost their Hearts long ago.

Who is he, this Hero of Darkness?

Who is he, blessed by the Goddesses, who atones for the sins of an entire race?

This man, this wizard, this swordsman, who seeks to save his people even if it means consorting with that which he was bred to hate.

He is the fulfiller of the silent pact made long ago on a wartorn world. A promise between gods to uphold Justice when Justice was served.


He is Sadow, a lost prince of the Twili, and this is his story.




I'll think over a plausible system of magics and how to integrate them into swordsmanship, and post my thoughts on it when I'm done.
 

The Eromancer

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#11
I have to say, I'm amazed by the concept you've written based entirely on my own ramblings and scattered ideas. But there are a few things here and there that my own knowledge just won't let me get over to use it.... though now I have something to work with... maybe.

Anyways, I was going to use those "circuit-tattoos" to reflect just how powerful (magically speaking) the Twili are from individual to individual. the more and larger the tattoos the more powerful you are.

Or alternatively they could work in the same manner Psionic tattoos are used in DnD, more of a siphoning tool than actual reflection of power or chains, as with your idea (good one too). With psionics you have the swirly smoking tattoos in design, but all psionic items and magic devives all have a common theme going for them as well. it just all relates back to it being Psionic power in nature.

So, using the same idea, only with Twili magic. We'll just have to say the Twili learned how to use magic a bit differently, or maybe it truely IS different. I don't know yet.

Right now I'm brushing up on my Zelda Lore and character knowledge.

:eek:t: The Term "Warlock" could actually be taken as a compliment, you need a basic grasp of tribal living to truely comprehend what a warlock is and how the name relates as such. But the best example of a Warlock would be the Apache, Geronimo. He was a man who broke his tribes own vows to surrender to continue on the path he saw as the most righteous. If Geronimo is an oath-breaker then the term Warlock can't be all that bad. Rebels in general, for whatever reason they rebel, can also be called Warlocks.

The term warlock, moves more along the spellcasters only because of popular fiction and incorrectly understanding the context it implies.

Hell you could even go as far to say George Washington was a Warlock during the days of the Revolutionary war.
 

toraneko

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#12
Well, I can be pretty sure from the beginning that Ganondorf wasn't a user of magic in the same way as the Twili. The Twilight, its people, and all their magics - hell, even their architecture - contain those "circuits".

Ganondorf never showed any such thing, nor did Koume and Kotake, the witches who taught him magic.

The Triforce couldn't have been used before Ganondorf touched it, either. It was sealed away from the very beginning of time, according to the story told in Ocarina of Time.
Furthermore, it was stated in Twilight Princess that the crime of those who would become the Twili was their endless lust for power, and the thing that finally got the Goddesses to snap and seal them away in the Twilight Realm was their attempt to use their powerful magic to breach the seal and attain the Triforce for themselves. It failed.
Also, A Link to the Past has shown us that when someone touches the Triforce, the Sacred Realm becomes a reflection of the heart of the one who touched it. It was still the unspoiled Sacred Realm until Ganondorf came, so he had to have been the first.

We know, from Ocarina of Time (stated to take place about a century before the start of Twilight Princess), that Ganondorf was the King of the Gerudo race. They are a race that is entirely female, except for the one male born every hundred years. That male is made their King at birth.
In OoT, the Gerudo were rather numerous. They visibly outnumbered the Hyrule guards. Yet, they didn't wage war on Hyrule. Why?
1. Hyrule's royal family possesses powerful magic in their bloodline, and staunch defenders in the Sheikah. Do not fuck with magical ninja elves.
2. Think about it. Race of females. They'd clearly need to take males from the Hylian stock every now and again to keep their numbers up. War might endanger the breeding stock.

So, why are there few to no Gerudo (with the only possible exception that I've seen being Telma) in Twilight Princess?

I expect it has a lot to do with their former hideout being currently overrun by undead monsters.

It most certainly has to do with the Triforce. Twilight Princess is explicitly based in the Young Link OoT Ending continuity - that is, Link was sent back to before he first met Zelda, they thwart Ganondorf's plans by telling the King of Ganondorf's evil plans.

What follows is conjecture, mixed with facts as given in Twilight Princess:

Link didn't draw the Master Sword, thus the gate to the Sacred Realm remained sealed. Thus, Ganondorf couldn't acquire the Triforce through trickery like he originally planned to.

The King banishes Ganondorf back to the Desert and declares war on him. Frustrated, Ganondorf is still determined to acquire the Triforce so that he can conquer Hyrule. In the meantime, he's got a war on his hands, and thanks to the powerful magic of the Royal Family of Hyrule, he is guaranteed to lose in the long run. He is aware of this, and this frustrates him. Bit by bit, he delves further into black sorcery (the likes of which Koume and Kotake were banished for), and its corrupting influence, combined with (feeding on?) his desperation, drives him mad.

Ultimately, he gathers together the majority of the Gerudo at their desert home. There, he conducts a black ritual that sacrifices every life except his own, and punches a short-lived back door into the Sacred Realm. He thus obtains the Triforce of Power (his greed for power leaves him too far out of balance to take the whole thing), and with it, the means to truly wage war on Hyrule.

(This black ritual is the reason why there are all those undead monsters in the Arbiter's Grounds. They're the remains of the slain Gerudo, animated by their resent of their betrayal and death at their King's hands.)

The other two pieces, as in Ocarina of Time, went to Princess Zelda and Link, since those two most embody Wisdom and Courage, respectively. With their efforts, Ganondorf's army of demons and monsters is vanquished, and he - through only the strongest effort of the Sages - is captured.

With the Triforce of Power in his grasp, Ganondorf can overcome even death, so executing him is impossible; he has to be sealed. (Similar thing happened at the end of Ocarina of Time.)
Since he'd broken into the Sacred Realm before, the Sages decide not to seal him there - if he got in, he might be able to get back out again now that he has the Triforce of Power. Therefore, they decide to seal him between the realms of Light and Twilight, using the Twilight Mirror - which is then broken, and the pieces scattered, to prevent his unsealing.

Fast-forward awhile, and you come to the beginning of Twilight Princess. That story is told from there, and like in the end of the game, the Triforce of Power disappears from Ganondorf's hand.


The part where this becomes especially useful for story purposes is: Where did the Triforce of Power go?
 

The Eromancer

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#13
I was hoping you'd type out all we had discussed earlier - so I wouldn't have to! :p

I just make things sound bad.

The part where this becomes especially useful for story purposes is: Where did the Triforce of Power go?
*ding, ding, ding!* I've got it! I now know how to write this damn thing!!! Thanx Tora!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :crazy:
 

happerry

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#14
The part where this becomes especially useful for story purposes is: Where did the Triforce of Power go?
This story has that question in it as the set up for book two.

"That seems to have done it," said one Divo to another. "The Triforce will have three proper vessels again, at last. I can hardly believe it! I mean, how long have we been waiting for this?"

"Too long," said the other. "And that little tease a while back was utterly frustrating. I mean, Gannondorf finally, finally, FINALLY dies, and then that F#KING troll snatches it up and it's in another imperfect vessel!"

"Well, I'll round up the others and we'll start planning our grand return! I can hardly wait!"
 

cilrais

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#16
Every time I see this topic title I read it as "Twilek Link", which would be weird.
 

The Eromancer

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#17
cilrais said:
Every time I see this topic title I read it as "Twilek Link", which would be weird.
ohhh I can imagine it now, star wars / Legend of Zelda crossover.... dear gods help me.
 

foesjoe

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#18
cilrais said:
Every time I see this topic title I read it as "Twilek Link", which would be weird.
And I thought I was the only one who did that.
 

Jakkun

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#19
Here is an alternate source of the Twili people. They were Hylians, the original Hylians. Zelda went overboard in her desire to empower her people and gain knowledge. She led her people on an attempt to breach the Sacred Realm, and failed. The goddesses punished her and her people by sealing them away. Then they created a new Hylian race that was altered enough to hopefully not go down the same route.

The Hylians are stated to be the most magical of the races. The Shiekah are more combat than magic. All it takes is a Manipulative!Zelda, or at least that is how it is going to be in the version I am working on. My idea was based on one of GH's ideas, where Good is actually evil, and Evil is good. However in my idea, she doesn't fail to obtain the triforce, which means that it is moot towards the point of creating the Twili. Maybe in some round about way they could be the same, and the triforce was replaced, but it seems pointless, when it could be a better tale on its own.
 
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