Bleach Untitled Bleach/AMG AU Fic Chapter Three

Andy2kk

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#52
GenocideHeart said:
As someone who is a mama's boy myself, I assure you you've got the way we think all WRONG. Most mama's boys would rather seek parental help from their mothers than ask strangers - in no small part because they figure if their mother can't solve it, nobody else can.? <_<

As a future note: 90% of Italians are 'mammoni' or mama's boys. We tend to heavily rely on and trust our mothers, as well as get very violent over perceived slights to our mothers' reputation. Insult an Italian, he'd probably just give you a cursory glance and walk away. Insult an Italian's mother, you are very likely to leave on a stretcher, if not in a coffin. So yeah, I know what I'm talking about when I'm thinking about mama's boys behavior.? :sweat2:
Well if that's Ichigo's POV, then he's given his own mother the biggest FUCK YOU there is. Basically erased her from existance! Hey mom, you died for me but screw you, I wish you away. In line with Ichigo's character... his honour, even if he does 'like' Belldandy would he let his real mother just be forgotten like that?
Right now the only one who can be thankful is Isshin, he's got a hot ass wife to screw.

Another point, will reread the whole thing eventually... but was Keiichi ever in this? Not the new brother, but Bell's Keiichi? Cause if so he's gotta be pissed that someone else gets to frak his girl.
 

Ghostface

Lazy Bastard...
#53
007 said:
Why not just split the chapter in half?
Because this is the second half of the chapter.

Well if that's Ichigo's POV, then he's given his own mother the biggest FUCK YOU there is. Basically erased her from existance! Hey mom, you died for me but screw you, I wish you away. In line with Ichigo's character... his honour, even if he does 'like' Belldandy would he let his real mother just be forgotten like that?
Right now the only one who can be thankful is Isshin, he's got a hot ass wife to screw.
I thought it was clear that Ichigo didn't make this wish intenionally. A relaxed slip of the tounge kind of thing.

Another point, will reread the whole thing eventually... but was Keiichi ever in this? Not the new brother, but Bell's Keiichi? Cause if so he's gotta be pissed that someone else gets to frak his girl.
No, O!MG Keiichi does not exist in this story.
 

Wheeljack

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#54
Andy2kk said:
GenocideHeart said:
As someone who is a mama's boy myself, I assure you you've got the way we think all WRONG. Most mama's boys would rather seek parental help from their mothers than ask strangers - in no small part because they figure if their mother can't solve it, nobody else can.á <_<

As a future note: 90% of Italians are 'mammoni' or mama's boys. We tend to heavily rely on and trust our mothers, as well as get very violent over perceived slights to our mothers' reputation. Insult an Italian, he'd probably just give you a cursory glance and walk away. Insult an Italian's mother, you are very likely to leave on a stretcher, if not in a coffin. So yeah, I know what I'm talking about when I'm thinking about mama's boys behavior.á :sweat2:
Well if that's Ichigo's POV, then he's given his own mother the biggest FUCK YOU there is. Basically erased her from existance! Hey mom, you died for me but screw you, I wish you away. In line with Ichigo's character... his honour, even if he does 'like' Belldandy would he let his real mother just be forgotten like that?
Right now the only one who can be thankful is Isshin, he's got a hot ass wife to screw.
Masaki *is* alive, I will say that, and I am planning on his encounter with her down the line (but not soon).

Ichigo's wish was not made, as Ghostface mentioned, intentionally, as Ichigo was far too tired and fading when the words slipped. Hell, he even assumed that Belldandy was some sort of ghost that decided to bug him on the one day he didn't want to deal with that stuff, only to learn the truth after the fact (and with another set of memories in his head).

The wish itself does *NOT* replace Belldandy with Masaki in that they simply switched places or that Masaki is erased in favor of Bell. The wish sent Belldandy back in time some several years before Ichigo was born, and in that timeframe somehow managed to interfere with what should have been Isshin's first meeting with Masaki (and because of that, they never met). Bell herself had very limited access to her powers due to the shift in time. Masaki, however is alive and doing well.

Another point, will reread the whole thing eventually... but was Keiichi ever in this? Not the new brother, but Bell's Keiichi? Cause if so he's gotta be pissed that someone else gets to frak his girl.
Keiichi from AMG will not be making an appearance. Ghostface and I talked about this last year I believe when I was still writing the prologues, and decided it was for the best to leave him out of it, even as a cameo.

As for whether or not he does exist, probably not. If he does, then we can say in this universe that fateful night when he made the phone call never happened as his sempai's never went out.
 

Andy2kk

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#55
I figured Masaki was alive and know that Ichigo didn't make the wish on purpose. I mean his continuing the wish even though he had the chance to take it back was messed up. I meant Ichigo erased her sacrifice, erased her love for him, their family. Also shouldn't Ichigo be asking WTF and HowTF could Belldandy have him and his sisters. Did she steal 3 eggs from Masaki's ovaries? Cause otherwise (if you forget about the previence sentence) Ichigo and his sisters would be demi-gods, right?

This fic reminds me of that Kasumi Oji arc. The bit where that ninja with the mirror sword was trawling through Ichigo's memories. He was playing with Ichigo's memories of his mother, it was like even though Ichigo loved her it was like he let her go and finally got some closure. I know it's not the same thing, but I think Ichigo would have the 'courage' to let Belldandy go, do the painful thing even though it'll mean not having a mother anymore. That's Bleach all over and more importantly that's Ichigo.
 

GenocideHeart

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#56
I'm guessing Ichigo kept the wish active BECAUSE she sacrificed herself for him. He decided it was better to know she was alive somewhere, even if he could never meet her again, rather than dead for his sake, something he always felt was exclusively his fault.

He pretty much did that exclusively for Masaki's sake, not his own gain. You are looking at it from the wrong perspective, he genuinely feels this is for the best, even if it means never seeing his original mom again. Because taking it back... would be tantamount to killing her again, and THIS time it'd be solely his choice. Not something he can bring himself to do.
 

Darkforce222

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#57
His family played a huge part in it, too. Ichigo wasn't willing to take his sisters' mother away a second time.

Though he's still pissed on some level at Isshin for forgetting his mother, but that's irrational-yet-understandable. He also feels alienated from his family because new memories or no, Masaki's sacrifice made a way bigger impact on Ichigo than Belldandy likely ever will. And he feels accepting a new mother would be betraying the one that died for him that only he remembers.

It's an awesome bit of characterization, honestly. It pretty much fits the Ichigo we know to a T.
 

nick012000

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#58
It'd also explain why Ichigo might go to Urahara rather than Belldandy to get his soul fixed. ;)
 

Tsuki_CB

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#59
Ya well considering how the manga is going I wish we could see something a little more off the rails then ZOMG!!!! ICHIGO BECAME A HOLLOW OH NOOOOO! I mean what was the point of even making him half divine if your just going to do the same old thing to him, cause if that's how it's going to end up I might as well just drop this and read something else.

Might I also add that even if he is upset with Bell that dosn't mean he dosn't trust her or care for her, after all if he didn't then why was he ashamed of what he almost said?

Another thing you have to realize is that Bell would make it to the fight before Kiske would, you don't think Bell would really let any son of hers go off to slay hollows and she not keep an eye on the energy signatures? She would be over there in a heart beat, maybe even before it concluded, Byakuya can throw out some kinda non interference agreement between SS and Heaven, and that would let him take Rukia while Ichigo remains intact, and since he is determined to go you could have Urd, as she would be more likely to help break rules that piss her off, teach him how to start tapping into his divinity which would allow you to do so much more then just hollow powers, I imagine it would be nowhere near as flashy, but powerful as all get out, and much more harder to control for him.
 

GenocideHeart

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#60
nick012000 said:
It'd also explain why Ichigo might go to Urahara rather than Belldandy to get his soul fixed. ;)
<_<

Jesus christ, again with Urahara. Feelings of betrayal or not, he's unlikely to choose a SUSPICIOUS, NOT ENTIRELY TRUTHFUL, MANIPULATIVE, PLACES RUKIA IN MORTAL DANGER JUST TO FIX HIS OWN MESS MAD SCIENTIST over someone who, for all that he has misgivings about her, showed him nothing but kindness, support, understanding and who bent over backwards to do a good job raising both him and his sisters, not to mention she gave up her OWN family to stick by the contract - or have you forgotten she hasn't seen her own sisters in a couple decades thanks to Ichigo's ass-backwards wish?

He should feel at least a LITTLE guilty that his wish caused her to be separated from her own family for this long, not to mention the considerable pain it put her through with, y'know, the whole GIVING BIRTH at all.

In the original timeline, he thought he was protecting the rest of his family from the mess he was in, as Karin and Yuzu were too young and Isshin APPARENTLY powerless. But Belldandy is a frigging reality-warping GODDESS who likely has more power in her pinky than everyone in Karakura thrown together, with Byakuya and Renji added in for good measure. For him to go to some strange-looking guy he has just met over his mom who literally warped time and space over a not-even-serious wish of his... Gee, I dunno. I'm sure the suspicious, obviously non-reality warping dude will do a better job and will be a lot more trustworthy than his goddess mom...

I hope I explained in detail why Urahara is the very LAST choice he'd pick in this particular situation to get his soul fixed. Now let's drop this angle. -_-
 

Wheeljack

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#61
Guys, regarding things like the Soul Society Arc, Hollow Forms, Urahara, etc., are not set in stone at this moment.

At this time I have an idea of what I would like to do, as well as some things that I would probably want to keep the same or similar, but I have not put any of it to pen or given any detailed thought as of yet. I really would like to get through this first book first before I worry about when shit begins to hit the fan in Book II.

Things like Hichigo, a character that I personally like, I would like to keep, but how to go about it may end up being different this time around. Hell, he may arise but succumb to Ichigo's divine side due to it being stronger in the end. I'm not sure yet.

Even things like Renji and Byakuya coming to take Rukia may end up playing out differently and not go exactly the same, if the same at all as in the OTL.

There are still things and high points from OTL that I want to try to keep similar when I come to it, but how it will play out is something that has not gone into detail yet. At this point, in Book I, things like the Shinigami won't come to fore until much later.

Also keep in mind this is an alternate universe as well, so obviously some things are going to turn out differently, be it events, powers, strength, etc.

I will say though that the talk on this has given me some ideas for later, one of which I had a thought of but now with a new angle I had not considered previously that could be very useful.

Andy, Bell having Ichigo and his sisters as such are due to the wish, that being that if they, meaning he and his sisters, could have a mother like her, would include them. Therefore they were brought over. Keiichi is the wild card. But, they *are* her blood (Yuzu has her eyes, for example).

Also, Genocideheart pretty much hits why Ichigo would keep the wish. Also keep in mind that his recinding the wish would also erase his brother. Not only would he lose what he has now, Masaki and Keiichi would be gone forever. Secondly, Ichigo has the emotions and memories of the version of himself that grew up here. He has to contend with those feelings as well. He can access some of them, but the vast amount is images and sensations that he would have to put real thought to to bring them up. After all, can any one of us pull up all the memories of our lives in a single instance when we want it? There are going to be triggers every so often (moreso now), but that will give way as time goes by.

Also keep in mind, is that I did write this with every intention of keeping the timeline as it is now. Ichigo's currently trying to rediscover his place in it. I also wrote this, because I always did like Ichigo's emphasis on family, and I can be such a sap when it comes to that stuff. When the idea of the mother/son dynamic came up, using Bell and Ichigo, it got me thinking to the point of finally throwing my hat in the ring and actually writing.

Darkforce, Ichigo's not angry at his father for that(also, Isshin can't remember someone he's never met), he's pissed off because he doesn't understand why he's getting in trouble in the first place. He's doing what he normally does, but for the rest of them, this is a bit different from what they know (as well as the first time they had to drag the aftermath of his fight to Isshin's clinic).

As for an update. Chapter 4 is essentially finished. It is currently in beta and I am waiting to talk to Ghostface later on today on anything I need to revise or rewrite. I am somewhat concerned as it has nearly been a year since the last chapter came out, and I hope that it does meet with everyone's expectations. A lot of what was once fresh in my mind for when I wrote the outline was long gone when I finally was able to start writing, so hopefully it still goes well, as I know that what I was originally thinking for chapter 4 came out a little differently than when I wrote the outline last May.
 

Andy2kk

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#62
Andy, Bell having Ichigo and his sisters as such are due to the wish, that being that if they, meaning he and his sisters, could have a mother like her, would include them. Therefore they were brought over. Keiichi is the wild card. But, they *are* her blood (Yuzu has her eyes, for example).
About to read the next chapter but had to ask this first.... they have Bell's blood, so that does make them demi-gods, right? Half Death God, Half Pure God. Youza that would make Ichigo different.
 
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