Basically what was wrong with Vergere's teachings of the force? I've gone over them in my head and I can't really see anything wrong, her whole point was that the force can't really be divided into good and evil as it was a part of the universe and beyond such definitions, and that it depended on the person to decide whether or not to use such power for good or evil, so what is wrong with this teaching? :huh.:
Vergere's teachings
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I don't know if you could call Vergere's teachings wrong, to follow what she lays out the person has to have an insane amount of personal discipline, that's where it's flawed. By saying there's no dark side it's practically saying you could use the dark side, just as long as you're using it for good.
We saw in the Dark Nest Trilogy what exactly that way of thinking does to the Jedi Order, and it's not a good thing.
Vergere's teachings aren't Sith (and she wasn't a Sith no matter what Lumiya and Krayt have said), but they're too close to the dark side and skewed by the fact that Vergere had been living with the Vong for 40+ years.
What it all comes down to is someone could follow Vergere's teaching and still be a Jedi only if they had an insane amount of self discipline. They'd need to recognize when things were getting too dark and pull back and I'm thinking there is absolutely no one who could follow her message to the letter.
My views on Jacen falling to the dark side (before FOTJ's retcon that Jacen was going crazy because of Abeloth) is that he was a junkie that was looking for a way to achieve the oneness he had with the force when he defeated Onimi. Once he ran out of force techniques from the various different force sects around the galaxy, he turned to Lumiya and the Sith. Lumiya used Jacen's connection to Vergere to twist her words to fit her preferences.
Vergere's too polarizing a figure, probably your best bet to finding a complete answer to your question is to look up a thread on Vergere at the Jedi Council Forums. Sure you could find one pretty quick.
We saw in the Dark Nest Trilogy what exactly that way of thinking does to the Jedi Order, and it's not a good thing.
Vergere's teachings aren't Sith (and she wasn't a Sith no matter what Lumiya and Krayt have said), but they're too close to the dark side and skewed by the fact that Vergere had been living with the Vong for 40+ years.
What it all comes down to is someone could follow Vergere's teaching and still be a Jedi only if they had an insane amount of self discipline. They'd need to recognize when things were getting too dark and pull back and I'm thinking there is absolutely no one who could follow her message to the letter.
My views on Jacen falling to the dark side (before FOTJ's retcon that Jacen was going crazy because of Abeloth) is that he was a junkie that was looking for a way to achieve the oneness he had with the force when he defeated Onimi. Once he ran out of force techniques from the various different force sects around the galaxy, he turned to Lumiya and the Sith. Lumiya used Jacen's connection to Vergere to twist her words to fit her preferences.
Vergere's too polarizing a figure, probably your best bet to finding a complete answer to your question is to look up a thread on Vergere at the Jedi Council Forums. Sure you could find one pretty quick.
Kind of. It was all about getting dangerously close to the Dark Side, using that closeness, and having the self-control to avoid Falling. AFAIK, Master Windu was the only one to do this; everyone else who tried to master <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_VII:_Juyo_/_Vaapad' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Vaapad</a> (rather than the older Juyo variant of Form VII) fell to the Dark Side.
Mace was pretty close to falling too with his "We have to kill Palpatine in cold blood NOW" attitude during his final battle. Granted, he was right, but he was still veering from the Jedi way of doing things.
If anything Vergere was closer to that Force users in general should have been trying to do rather than polarizing into Jedi and Sith. She would have worked well with the likes of Revan and the Exile, had she not been skewed by her years in Vong captivity. Her views on the Force were only wrong in that they differed from Jedi teachings, which we can objectively see as flawed.
For example, if Anakin had beed raised under the Order Bastila helped to forge after Revan's departure, his marriage would have been acceptable and he most likely would not have fallen. The Revan-age Order, Old Republic Order, and Luke's New Jedi Order all had differing views on the Force that would have caused conflict between each group, yet dissenting from the existing order of the time automatically made you wrong and on the way to the Darkside. Frankly, that's BS as what might be seen as wrong to one order was perfectly acceptable to another.
If anything Vergere was closer to that Force users in general should have been trying to do rather than polarizing into Jedi and Sith. She would have worked well with the likes of Revan and the Exile, had she not been skewed by her years in Vong captivity. Her views on the Force were only wrong in that they differed from Jedi teachings, which we can objectively see as flawed.
For example, if Anakin had beed raised under the Order Bastila helped to forge after Revan's departure, his marriage would have been acceptable and he most likely would not have fallen. The Revan-age Order, Old Republic Order, and Luke's New Jedi Order all had differing views on the Force that would have caused conflict between each group, yet dissenting from the existing order of the time automatically made you wrong and on the way to the Darkside. Frankly, that's BS as what might be seen as wrong to one order was perfectly acceptable to another.