Naruto What You Want To Read In Naruto

Matdeception · Jan 12, 2015

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Loki Fenrisulf IV said:

Come up with a different mission. The whole Wave mission really only happened because Naruto lost his cool from all the D-rank missions. If he doesn't lose that, the eventual C rank mission is a great stepping stone to introduce an original plot arc and get those juices going, letting you touch on your creative side while also evolving the characters of those involved, ect.

Yorae Rasante · Jan 13, 2015

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goldenarms said:

Yes, that is basically what I did.
Was tempted to adding Rumors, but since rumors at the start of the story were that Naruto was no-good and according to Mizuki some were that he and Kurama ere the same being, which would end with... Well, a second, evil Naruto walking around according to Persona 2 Innocent Sin and both Narutos with a superpowered fox form, I guess, but I didn't think of it at the time...

Matdeception said:

Yes, if Naruto did end up going to Wave I can't help thinking of it as forced, even though a reader said otherwise earlier... And I can't see how the usual excuse of "helping the team already on mission" really helps, since the team being sent is the same level as the one being helped.
It is kinda hard to let go of plans to use Haku's death as a tool to help Naruto's growth, but yes, I guess this is for the best.
All I need to do is make Team Gai get the mission first.

goldenarms · Jan 13, 2015

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Loki Fenrisulf IV said:

Somehow, I don't see Team Guy going ahead with the mission after an assault on them by ninja when the mission said anything but. This is the same guy who wanted his students to wait a year before taking the Chunin Exams in order for them to mature a bit, so doing reckless things does not strike me as his forte at all.

atlas_hugged · Jan 13, 2015

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goldenarms said:

On the other hand, this is the same team that has waited that year, and likely is mature enough to make the decision. It could be justified: Gai has had a year (or a little under that) to teach them, he knows what they're capable of, and could be motivated by their desire to do the right thing.

Yorae Rasante · Jan 13, 2015

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atlas_hugged said:

Also, even if Gai doesn't just agree he is too much of a nice guy to just leave and not get some extra help for Tazuna (actual competent extra help, not just excuses to add Team 7 midway), and if he does agree his team is the one I'd give more chance to complete it if we didn't have canon showing Team 7 was successful.
To be honest I won't go in details, it is just for my and the reader's peace of mind that the situation will be handled.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 13, 2015

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Also, Team Guy is overpowered for a Genin team. AND possibly the worst possible team for Zabuza and Haku to fight.

nixofcyzerra · Jan 13, 2015

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Keep in mind that Naruto in his Initial Jinchuuriki state is ridiculously strong. He basically punched out a giant snake. The best strength feat of Gai's students, on the other hand, is Lee pulling that big tree root out of the ground.

So how would you expect Team Gai to deal with Haku's Ice Mirrors? Like, maybe if Lee opened a few gates he could break them, but then he's basically out of the fight, and I'd give the edge to Haku in a Haku vs. Neji + Tenten fight.

And Neji wouldn't have learnt Kaiten yet.

Yorae Rasante · Jan 13, 2015

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Yes, Neji hadn't learned Kaiten, or at least mastered, until the third stage, but for as much as Haku was reflected in the mirrors his attacks were actually unidirectional. He is also faster than Sasuke was at the time, and Sasuke was fast enough to be able to almost hit Haku when he was able to see him.

Lee, on his side, would probably need to take off his weights, but even with them he was faster than Sasuke enough he wasn't able to defeat him easily with his sharingan on.

You mentioned dealing with Haku's Ice Mirrors as if the only way to deal with them was by overpowering and breaking the mirrors, but it has a big weakness in the user having to move by going outside the mirrors, not counting that even Haku mentions it takes a lot of chakra to use. It is usually not that much when the user is much faster than the opponents, but both of the others are fast enough it does become one.

At least I think so...

nixofcyzerra · Jan 13, 2015

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True, but keep in mind that Haku was literally toying with Naruto and Sasuke almost the entire time, right up until Sasuke awoke (or reawoke) his Sharingan, which was perfectly suited to track the fast-moving senbon and follow Haku's movements in a way the Byakugan isn't. Also keep in mind that post-Edo Tensei Haku made that mirror in the sky to sneak-attack Sai, and the Ice Release: Ice Rock Dome of Magnificent Nothingness to protect himself and Zabuza from exploding tags.

So I guess if Team Gai speed blitzes Haku they might have a shot, but I very much doubt that Haku can't shrink the gaps between mirrors (except that he would have had to made more mirrors and thus use more chakra,) and if he gets them out, Team Gai's screwed.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 13, 2015

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Also, Guy not having slaked off and being able to defeat Zabuza easier the first time. Neji seeing Haku hiding and telling Guy, as well intercepting the senbon. Tenten ripping off her clothes and offering to have sex with Zabuza on the spot for a chance to touch his big meat cleaver.

Altered Nova · Jan 13, 2015

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I think Neji has a decent chance against Haku. His fight with Kidoumaru was basically the same situation as the Ice Mirrors, with him being attacked from every direction simultaneously. And he's used to sparring with Lee, who is way faster than the Sasuke who couldn't keep up with Haku's senbon. So I think Haku would have a very hard time putting Neji down even if he managed to trap him inside the mirrors. The only question in my mind is if the mirrors have any weak points Neji could attack with Jyuuken to shatter them.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 13, 2015

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Also: would the Kirigakure no jutsu work against the Byakugan's x-rays vision?

thecuiy · Jan 13, 2015

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I would think it would be super effective if the user were to just saturate the air with water+chakra

Knyght · Jan 13, 2015

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Effective against the Sharingan and Rinnegan but I don't think the Byakugan would have much trouble when it can expand its range, zoom in and see through obstacles.

ankokudaishogun · Jan 13, 2015

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thecuiy said:

Except Kakashi never said he couldn't see in the mist because it was saturated of chakra, but simply because it was blocking his sight.

goldenarms · Jan 14, 2015

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nixofcyzerra said:

You forget one major difference between Team Guy and Team 7...

Team Guy isn't Team 7.

This battle goes down faster than a five dollar ho, as Neji can literally see the ending. If Zabuza didn't know much about the Sharingan, despite knowing about the tragedy of the Uchiha Clan, there's an equal and likely chance that he doesn't know much about the Byakugan, either, which means he loses hard. Haku loses the element of surprise either because Neji had long since seen him waiting in the trees, or Neji reads him and/or Zabuza* with Byakugan and determines that Haku's not a hunter-nin, but an ally. And Neji can shut down Haku with even a slight brush.

In a nut, unless Zabuza and Haku realize their vulnerability and successfully take out Neji, the only way they're leaving Wave is in body bags. Or body bag storage seals.

* Zabuza may have been put into a death-like trance, but I'm pretty certain his chakra system will still be active for Neji to see, and since dead people don't normally have chakra...

nixofcyzerra · Jan 14, 2015

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I dunno, Haku was bad-ass enough in part 1 that he could be revived in Part 2 by Edo Tensei and still be a significant threat, even after power creep, and Team Gai were still just Genin at that point.

goldenarms · Jan 14, 2015

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nixofcyzerra said:

I'm not saying Haku wouldn't be a threat; I'm saying that Haku isn't that big of a deal to this group, as opposed to another that didn't possess this exact combination of people. What worked against Team 7 isn't necessarily going to work against Team Guy, as they have several advantages over them -- they're one year older than Team 7, which also means they have a full year of practical experience coupled with intense training, an active bloodline ability that neutralizes almost all forms of deception and takes away the element of surprise, and of course, Guy himself, who isn't "out of practice" like Kakashi was.

Given all that, there's a very slim-to-none chance of Zabuza and Haku winning against Guy's squad in their first contact, not without an unexpected support unit showing up to facilitate an escape for them. And depending on how badly they're trounced, I highly doubt they'll stick around for a second encounter -- one week later, Gatou mysteriously disappears, and all his holdings are ransacked during the night.

nixofcyzerra · Jan 14, 2015

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Wait, I can't remember, was it ever actually stated in the manga that Kakashi had gotten rusty? Or did he just have a bad showing?

Altered Nova · Jan 14, 2015

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Kakashi admitted to himself that he was badly out of shape when he was training himself with one-handed cliff climbing during the Chuunin Exam break.

I assume the reason Kakashi is training himself as well as Sasuke is because shortly before that Orochimaru made him shit himself with just his killing intent. Kakashi had believed himself to be able to compete with Orochimaru but Orochimaru casually shattered that delusion and made him realize just how much his skills had stagnated.

13ry4n · Jan 14, 2015

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I want a fic that explains Gato's stupid evil tendency. Seriously what kind of shipping magnate is he? It's an island with easy access to basically 50% of the continent! With a little imagination and money Wave could've become the economic power, he would've made his money back in no time and he'd have earned an assload of good will.

Altered Nova · Jan 14, 2015

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That's easy to explain. Gato doesn't just want to be rich, he also wants to be a tyrant. Helping Wave Country thrive economically might earn him more money in the long run, but then he doesn't get to be a cruel, oppressive dictator.

da_fox2279 · Jan 14, 2015

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Altered Nova said:

There's a fic idea. A Gato who actually runs Wave Country like a Mafia Don - making the place an economic powerhouse, while using his businesses and the trust he's earned from the populace to run highly illegal goods and products behind the scenes.

Knyght · Jan 14, 2015

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I've actually had that idea for a while. One of my musings where there was no Wave mission and Gatou decides to turn Wave into a profit-making business after getting rid of any opposition (or starting with that instead of driving it into poverty).

And who knows? Maybe that's the story behind Mayor Gatou from SEG-CISR's Toonami Naruto fanfic.

Knyght · Jan 20, 2015

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I'd like to see a real Fourth Shinobi War where war breaks out between the five great nations and all those caught in-between. Where the meat of the story is about Konoha fighting against the other hidden villages instead of Akatsuki - who may be working during the chaos or simply not exist here - and the characters maturing in a warring world instead of a more peaceful one.

It could start before Part 1 with the Kyuubi Attack, Hyuuga Incident or Uchiha Massacre acting as the trigger. So Naruto's generation could have grown up in the climate of war like the previous generation and be shaped by that experience, especially since they would probably be graduated and promoted early.

It could start during Part 1 with the Konoha Crush which was meant to the fan the flames of war as well as destroy Konoha itself. Homura and Koharu's fear that a war could break out in response to their weakened state could come true, or the invasion could play out even worse for Konoha to make it so. Naruto and Jiraiya being unable to go on their training trip, or even search for Tsunade to become Hokage, would make an interesting start.

It could even start between Part 1 and 2 while Naruto's on his training trip which throws it all into disarray.

Or it could start during Part 2 in response to the upheaval in Oto from Orochimaru's death, the theft of the hidden villages' jinchuuriki or as a consequence of Sasuke's actions. And Akatsuki continues to carry out their plan as the village war with each other instead of focusing on the real problem that they're allowing to grow.

I just think it'd be a nice change of peace for a story to actually involve the war instead of threaten the characters with the idea of it.

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