Nasuverse With a Little Help from My Selves

Prince Charon

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#1
This began with a question: What if the <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Magic' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Second Magic</a> became, due to technological progress, a <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Magecraft' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>magecraft</a>, even if only partially? Well, once Rin found out (which could take a while, as she isn't exactly a science nerd), she'd want to talk to herself... by which I mean, her other selves.

Going into a little more detail, let's say that some time before the Fifth Holy Grail War, CERN discovered a way to exchange information with alternate realities. You need a massive particle accelerator, giant super-computers, and probably a million euros worth of energy a minute, but you can do it - transfer of matter, however, still requires a True Miracle. Some time after this, but still before the War starts, Rin hears about this from her science teacher, who is very excited by it. Correctly concluding that a limited form of the Operation of Parallel Worlds is now possible with magecraft, Rin goes through what information she has on the Second Magic, and attempts to set up communication with one of her alternate selves, and when it works, with others - given the source of her information on the Second Magic, her means of communication is probably a sword or other bladed weapon, made of gems.

I suggest that three become important to this story (any of which might be spun off into its own thread, if there's enough interest). Some of the items below may seem to bend or break the rules of the Nasuverse. This is intentional.

The first is in a 'magi are mostly not utter dicks' timeline (I was sure there was a thread for that, but I can't find it). The world resembles one of the more openly superheroic versions of the <a href='http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Pulp2.htm' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Wold Newton Universe</a>, mixed with the Nasuverse (so, a fair number of relatively low-power supers, some of moderate power, and very few high-power ones - even the strongest can at best match, rather than exceed, the top-tier Nasuverse characters - and not a lot of time-travelers or aliens; the Golden Age version (and any successors) may be the only Green Lantern, for example). The Magi Association is made up of good and neutral magi (and some evil ones pretending to be good), and administrates research into magics and magecrafts (and education in same, sometimes as a side effect), serves as a clearinghouse for information, assists superheroes and would-be superheroes in organizing, maintaining secret identities, and so forth, and encourages the advancement of science, for the benefit of humanity - and so that more things may be accomplished with magecraft. It was this timeline that contacted the CERN of Rin-0's universe, and showed them how to set up the cyclotron for transmission. While it is not a 'proper superheroes never kill' timeline, it is a 'most superheroes reserve killing for a last resort' timeline (e.g. Kiritsugu might still his Thompson Contender and Origin Bullets (if he actually has the same Origins), but would use them far less frequently than in canon).

Interestingly, there are about twice as many magi and magecraft users as in Rin-0's world, but their average power level is higher, rather than lower. The total world population is a bit smaller, as well, but not enough to account for the difference. The Magi Association has heard of the rule that this breaks, that the more magi there are, the less powerful each one can be, and the more people there are, the less dense their souls are, and thus the less magical individual humans can be, but considers it a disproven theory. It seemed to be true for a long time, as humanity seemed to be in decline, but the decline did not match up with the rise in population. Its currently believed that it was instead a combination of factors, environmental, biological (inbreeding is bad, m'kay? - and that may not be the only biological reason), magical, and cultural, that lead to the theory appearing to be true. Humanity has been on the upswing in that timeline, since the late 19th century. The Wold Newton meteor probably helped a bit, but there aren't enough people descended from those affected by it, for that to be the only factor.

The Rin of this world (let's call her Rin-1) lives with her parents, Tokiomi and Aoi, and younger sister, Sakura, and is pretty horrified to know what happened to Rin-0's family (and will be even moreso, when she finds out what Sakura's home life is like), and that Rin-0's main adult supervision for ten yours was Kotomine Kirei, whom she knows as a murderous supervillain. In fact, the more Rin-1 learns of the magi of Rin-0's world, the more it looks like an Evil Mirror Universe. Fortunately for Rin-0, their interaction is deep enough, and Rin-1 is perceptive enough, for Rin-1 to recognize that Rin-0 is a lot less heartless than a 'true magus' of her world is expected to be, despite what Rin-0 tries to tell herself.

Rin-1's life could be described fairly accurately as a cross between a Japanese harem comedy, and an American superhero comic. Her father is a superhero, and she and Sakura-1 are his sidekicks, as well as being magi in training. The two of them are in competition with a few other girls for the heart (and other parts) of Shirou von Einzbern, sidekick and adopted son of the kind-of-Batmanish-but-with-magecraft hero Emiya Kiritsugu von Einzbern, a friend and ally of their father. Shirou-1 was orphaned during a fight between Kiritsugu-1 and Kirei-1, and thus was adopted by Kiritsugu and his wife, Irisviel. He appears to be both smarter and more powerful than Shirou-0 (of course, so does Archer). Prior to being contacted by Rin-0, Rin-1 and Sakura-1 agreed to share him, so as not to give any advantage away to their rivals - especially not Luviagelita Edelfelt. They might be inclined to share with Ayako-1, if necessary, as long as it reduces Luvia-1's chances - its not that they think she's evil (she isn't), or that she's foreign (she is), but that they don't think Shirou-1 would be happy with her, and do think he'd be to nice to dump her. (No, I don't have hero names for any of them, though I was thinking of calling Kirei-1 'Judas'.)

Rin-1 is rather technologically inclined, like most magi of her world, a bit of an otaku, and a fan of Western SF. She has a top-of-the-line cell-phone and a PDA souped up into a technomagical tricorder, both of which she carries in her civilian guise (the PDA looks fairly normal, just rather customized), and a sonic screwdriver, a lightsabre, wrist phasers, and a lightly armoured costume with a visor that duplicates her PDA's functions in a smaller package, for her hero ID. Style-wise, she's very much a technomage, though she does make use of crystal-based magecraft that overlaps well with Rin-0's gem-casting.


The second world Rin-0 works with much more closely resembles her homeworld, save that its about a year in the future, and the CERN experiment happend not that long ago. The timeline matches Rin-0's, to the best she and Rin-2 can determine (which does not mean things that they are unaware of all match up; that's important), up until Rin-0 heard about the breakthrough at CERN, which happened several months later in Rin-2's universe, well after the War. The Holy Grail War that she participated in resembles the Fate route (and thus, Rin-0 is aware that her world's Grail may have been corrupted). Shirou-2 doesn't appear to be much smarter than Shirou-0.

Some time after the War ended, and she recovered from her injuries, Rin-2 discovered the situation her sister was living in, and tried to rescue her. This lead to Rin-2 being back in the hospital, in a coma. One night, Sakura-2 went to visit her, and found Shirou-2 asleep, holding her hand and partially drained of prana from Tracing Avalon. Sakura-2, unable to remain for long, and not being in a healthy mental state, binds Rin-2 to Shirou-2 as a rather bizarre familiar variant (or at least, something kind of like a familiar). Rin-2 being both alive, and having vastly more (and better quality) Magic Circuits than Shirou-2, she could supply prana to him, or he could draw it from her, thus allowing him to Trace Avalon long enough to do some good. Sakura-2 left a note wrapped around Shirou-2's hand, and returned to the Matou mansion. Shortly thereafter, the mansion was destroyed by something dark and silent, that left it a pile of rubble, that most are afraid to approach - there's just something wrong with that place. Sakura-2 and Zouken-2 are both dead, as best the Mages' Association can determine, but they're really not sure what she did, or how she did it.

Rin-2 is still getting used to her new nature. She has begun to develop some succubus-like traits, and also finds it uncomfortable to disobey, mock, or harm Shirou. That's not to say she can't, just that its not easy. There may be other odd quirks, as its an unusual situation, and Sakura-2 was insane at the time, on top of that.

Variation: Rather than Fate, it appears to be a hypothetical Ayako route (which also includes the revelation of the corrupted Grail). Ayako getting involved is by no means healthy for her, and at one point, she was injured badly enough that she would have died, had Rin-2 not been present. Lacking the gem she used to save Shirou-2, Rin-2 chose to bind Ayako-2 to herself as a living familiar. This made their situation with Shirou-2 a lot more complicated, particularly after Sakura-2 bound Rin-2, and thus Ayako-2, to Shirou. Because Rin-2 has more and better Magic Circuits than Ayako-2, and she was not insane at the time, their bond is rather less quirky than Shirou-2's with Rin-2.


In Rin-3's world, where it appears to be the late 19th Century (17th year of Meiji, meaning 1885 - and this is confirmed by astronomical observations made by Rin-3, and looked up by Rin-0), but most of the F/sn cast are present, the magi have a disturbing amount in common with the Sparks of <a href='http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Girl_Genius_Wiki' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Girl Genius</a>. This includes the 'madness place', and a semi-instinctive spell that gives them a charisma bonus - the more powerful the magus, the greater the bonus, but the target must be able to hear them speak. Just as in GG, they tend to rule large swathes of territory openly. They're still magi, but they push the advancement of SCIENCE! even more than Rin-1's people. Alchemy and a sort of Steampunk technomagic are probably the most common magecrafts, but far from the only ones. The world population is quite a bit smaller than in Rin-0's timeline, either 'now', or in the 19th Century, being closer to that of the middle ages. The total number of magi and magecraft users is about the same as in Rin-0's timeline 'now', in 2004, as is their level of power - as far as Rin-3 can tell, anyway. Rin-3 has never heard of the rules that this breaks, and wonders why the Mages' Association of Rin-0's world didn't simply reduce the surplus population, if they really believed that theory.

Rin-3 is a bit nuttier than the other Rins, especially once she gets going, and tends to rant and laugh more. She hasn't heard of anything like the Holy Grail War, but admits that it could be happening elsewhere, as world-wide communication is rather limited (somewhere between that of the GG world, and the RL late 19th Century). She lost most of her family to a worm attack from Makiri Zouken, but was able to save her sister with the help of Professor von Einzbern... by freezing her to death, extracting the quiescent worms from her very cold corpse, stitching her up, and then warming her, and reviving her with a properly channeled and filtered bolt of lightning (Rin-0: O_O "Eh, lets call that a last resort, OK?"). Her personal style of magecraft mixes gem magic with the more common alchemy and technomagic.

She is tsundere for Emiya Shirou, GENTLEMAN ADVENTURER!, and often supplies him with equipment ("S-stupid hero, I'm not doing this because I like you or anything!" *blushes cutely* "I just n-need someone to field test it."). Isn't fooling anyone - even the generally oblivious Shirou-3 saw through her act after a little while. Shirou-3 appears to be a fair bit smarter than Shirou-0 or Shirou-2 - he's only emotionally oblivious. He has a powerful familiar named Lily, whom he inherited from his father (though where Kiritsugu-3 got her, they don't know, and Lily claims not to remember). Apart from a fondness for wearing white, and being a very friendly and cheerful person, Lily seems a hell of a lot like the memories Rin-2 shared of the Saber Shirou-2 summoned, even having the same sword.


The various Rins wonder if the rules under which magecraft operate are different from world to world, or if different worlds found different exceptions and loopholes, and/or some of the rules are inaccurate.

One thing that the other Rins agree on, that Rin-0 really hopes they're wrong about, is their uniformly horrible luck with their own plans: when ever they make a plan, and it truly matters, bad luck will screw them over, every time. Enacting someone else's plan, they're generally OK, but their own plans fail, and it nearly always bad luck, rather than bad planning or inadequate information. Rin-3 reluctantly admits that this is why she asked for von Einzbern's help with Sakura-3 (von Einzbern planned the operation, in a scene somewhat reminiscent of <a href='http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090814' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this Girl Genius comic</a>), and needs to keep Shirou-3 in her territory (yeah, that's the only reason; sure). Its also why Rin-1 wants Sakura-1 to inherit the family Crest.

This is a serious problem for Rin-0, because the only people she can count on to make plans for her are either extradimensional (and would have to relay through the other Rins, unless she can get Shirou-0 to connect with Shirou-1 and/or -3), apparently stupid (i.e. Shirou-0), or evil (though Kotomine-0 would certainly be inclined to help with a plan that harms Zouken-0, for canon reasons, even - just not good ones) - or crazy and not necessarily willing to help, like Zelretch. Rin-0 is rather more interested in rescuing her sister than in winning the Holy Grail War, and dearly hopes that the Servant she summons can help her in that regard. "Right, my new cellphone has the right time, so I'll set an alarm to tell me when to do the ceremony. Now, where's the book that came with it...?"


So, thoughts?
 

Wilder

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#2
Shirou's superhero name giving you trouble? really? maybe something like 'Red Archer'. Also Batman!Kiritsugu? oh gawd yes, please tell me the whole family is basically a family of Batman style heroes and Sella's the Alfred?

...G-Gentleman Adventurer Shirou?

OH GOOD GOD YES! IMAGINE HIM MEETING THEIR ARCHER!
 

Lord of Bones

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#3
I have great difficulty in seeing Kotomine as a murderous supervillain. He'd troll the heroes and the villains.
 

Wilder

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#4
So....Kotomine is the Joker to Kiritsugu and Shirou's Batman and Robin?

.....

Oh god lord I love that image!
 

lask

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#5
Lord of Bones said:
I have great difficulty in seeing Kotomine as a murderous supervillain. He'd troll the heroes and the villains.
He already is a murderous super-villain.

That being said... Every alternate Rin both being in a relationship with Shirou, and in an inarguably weaker possition in that relationship every time except world-3... It both seems disingenuous towards Rin (she is very much a top, I think), and streches disbelief. I would only have one Rin in a 'leads-to-romance relationship' with Shirou, and none if I was going to have world-0 Rin end up with him.

Also, the whole kill her and revive her trick World-3 pulled off seems solidedly beyond modern magecraft. If you want a Girl Genius type world then magecraft is most likely quite a bit stronger then it is in the modern age. Maybe they can't push the absolute boundries (much) further, but the average level will be quite a bit higher, and there will be a great deal more at those boundries, or finding the loophole in those boundries.

Still, sounds like a neat idea.
 

elric

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#6
Lord of Bones said:
I have great difficulty in seeing Kotomine as a murderous supervillain. He'd troll the heroes and the villains.
Indeed. Half the time he would foil a supervillian's plan just for the lolz.
 

lask

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#7
He locked dozens of children into complete sensory deprevation and used their pain and suffering to slowly siphon away their souls to feed a demigod bent on destroying civilization... because.

He's a somewhat more subtle TDK Joker, but yes, he's a supervillain.
 

Prince Charon

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#8
elric said:
Lord of Bones said:
I have great difficulty in seeing Kotomine as a murderous supervillain. He'd troll the heroes and the villains.
Indeed. Half the time he would foil a supervillian's plan just for the lolz.
Which does not contradict lask's point. Just because he trolls both sides, doesn't mean he's not a monster.
 

lask

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#9
Calling him a monster is an insult to monsters. Most will just eat you, or maybe plant their eggs in you while you're still alive. You need to upgrade to devil to get Kotomine. He's litterally done his best to cast the surviving victims of a desaster into hell... because.

To be fair, there are plenty of omnicidal supervillains just as bad (you don't really get worse here, simply because he'll support omnicidal efforts as they cause great pain and suffering), but they tend to be treated differently then the 'common' villains/
 

zeebee1

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#10
The issue is what Rin would take from all this. Right now all we have is a whole lot of back story.
 
#11
I'm liking this so far.

Maybe mention of a world where she gets a Caster instead of Archer and learns their magic (doesn't have to be Medea, maybe a different Caster)
 

elric

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#12
lask said:
He locked dozens of children into complete sensory deprevation and used their pain and suffering to slowly siphon away their souls to feed a demigod bent on destroying civilization... because.
Don't forget that these children were orphans. Orphans that he made.
 

nick012000

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#13
Heh. On the front page, the title is displayed as "With a Little Help from My...", and for some reason my mind filled in "Little Ponies". So, maybe one of the other selves Rin manages to contact is a unicorn from Equestria? Probably has a handful of gems as her Cutie Mark, and knows a Unicorn who's a bit thick but reliable and has a pair of swords as his. :p
 

lask

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#14
nick012000 said:
Heh. On the front page, the title is displayed as "With a Little Help from My...", and for some reason my mind filled in "Little Ponies". So, maybe one of the other selves Rin manages to contact is a unicorn from Equestria? Probably has a handful of gems as her Cutie Mark, and knows a Unicorn who's a bit thick but reliable and has a pair of swords as his. :p
You know, with the possible exception of Spark!Rin, Pony!Rin would almost certainly be the most powerful if going by the 'current' My Little Ponies: Friendship is Magic. By alot.

This discovery would both be something of a trick for the rest to find out (making some of the Rins dismiss Pony Rin for a while), and horrifying.

I Approve!
 

Prince Charon

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#15
A bit more information on Rin's means of extradimensional communication (or at least, Rin-0's): The Jewel Dagger Tohsaka Rin is a miniature, and far more limited, version of the Jewel Sword Zelretch. Holding it, and feeding it prana, allows Communication with Parallel Worlds - specifically, mental converse with one's alternate selves - only information can be exchanged, not matter, energy, or prana. You may select a self you've contacted, before, search for a self who fits some set criteria (some of which will be set by your subconscious, unless you have insanely good self control), cast out at random (which really just means your subconscious is determining all the criteria, which is not always a good thing), or be directed by someone else. So, for example, Rin-0 could point Shirou-0 at the minds of the Shirous in the worlds of the Rins she has contacted, and then Shirou-0 would afterwards be able to contact them without her help.

Speaking of Shirous, its quite possible that not all the ones in the OP have Sword as their origin. Shirou-0 and -2 certainly do, as they started out as canon Shirou, but -1 and -3 are different. They probably got Avalon, but that's not a certainty, as both Kiritsugu's could have had access to other methods of healing, and in fact, Shirou-3 might not have needed it. I have found nothing on what Shirou's Origin would have been, without Avalon. Because of Archer, the thought that his Origin could have been something like 'Precision' or 'Accuracy' occurred to me, but it could very easily be something else. Any suggestions?

One thing that Rins -1 and -3 have in common, is that they make use of artificial gem growing (and crystal-growing, in Rin-1's case) equipment, and these manufactured gems and crystals work just fine. They don't have quite as much capacity as natural gems, but their relative cheapness and convenience more than makes up for that.

As for the bit in world-3 that lask mentioned, I should like to point out that magecraft can do anything technology can, generally faster and cheaper, and in some cases, with a better chance of success. We could do what was done to Sakura-3 now (though with a defibrillator or similar device, not lightning), and the biggest limit is that it would take to long, thus greatly reducing the patient's chances of survival. It also could have been done in the RL 19th century, with even less chance of survival. Thus, the speed and rapid healing made possible by magecraft makes it a viable operation, as long as you've got enough prana.

About all the Rins wanting their Shirous: it would've made more sense if the first paragraph of this post had been in the OP - her subconscious included some criteria that her conscious mind wouldn't have. The submissive position is due to sharing canon-Rin's luck problem, and I tend to see Rin as more of a switch than a top (for that matter, just because Rin-1 is willing to share, and doesn't plan to have the Crest, doesn't mean she never dominates anyone), so its a YMMV thing.

@zeebee1: Good question. What would she take from all this? I've got a bit in the OP, she wants to rescue her sister, and has developed an interest in technology, and probably technomagic, but what else? Anyone have suggestions?

@the DragonBard: Hmm. Which Caster, though? If she summoned Merlin, she'd have gotten punk'd and trolled heavily, but probably come out stronger for it, given Arturia's example. Perhaps a world where she (possibly with Sakura, if she wasn't yet sold in that timeline) was a Master in the Fourth War, and summoned <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Nursery_Rhyme' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Nursery Rhyme</a>? Speaking of Fate/Extra, what might she have been able to learn from <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Playable_Caster_%28Fate/Extra%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Tamamo-no-Mae</a>? That Caster doesn't seem to like her <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills#Witchcraft' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Witchcraft</a>, much.

Hmm, maybe she found a Rin who summoned Morgan le Fey. Would have some interesting interactions with Arturia, no? Related thought: She summons an Arturia who got her wish for someone else to be King, so that Arturia became Merlin's apprentice. Would be hard to make her not seem like an OC called Arturia, though.
 

zeebee1

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#17
One thing is to figure out what Rin can learn. Many of these people use magical systems totally alien to her. If only information can be transferred then alien magic systems and fighting styles wouldn't be useful.
 

Prince Charon

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#18
zeebee1 said:
One thing is to figure out what Rin can learn. many of these people use magical systems totally alien to her. If only information can be transferred then alien magic systems and fighting styles wouldn't be useful.
There's a step in your logic that's missing. Either you didn't think of something, or you forgot to say something.
 

zeebee1

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#19
I don't see what's wrong. This spell is like a telephone call. She can only be instructed. But being told how to make a particle phase inducer would go over her head. I doubt the super hero reality to would be much different. She'd gain nothing if she talked to a version of herself who had a different fighting style.

Ultimately, the only things she could learn would be things within her frame of reference.
 

Prince Charon

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#20
zeebee1 said:
I don't see what's wrong. This spell is like a telephone call. She can only be instructed. But being told how to make a particle phase inducer would go over her head. I doubt the super hero reality to would be much different. She'd gain nothing if she talked to a version of herself who had a different fighting style.

Ultimately, the only things she could learn would be things within her frame of reference.
OK, I was too vague, sorry. My intention is that it more sort of lets you share thoughts and memories.
 

Prince Charon

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#21
If Rin-0 and Shirou-0 are able to learn the charisma booster spell (its only semi-instinctive, rather than fully, after all) from their World-3 selves, what effect, if any, would that have on the story? I mean, Shinji would probably have little to no resistance, for one thing.
 

Prince Charon

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#22
From the 'A Change of Philosophy' thread:

Cherry_lover said:
Prince Charon said:
Y'know, it hadn't occurred to me that Sakura could have been better off with Zouken. :huh!:? :ph43r: I'd like to think Tokiomi wouldn't have done that, but its plausible that some version might.? Would be a terrible thing to learn, for a Rin using Second Magic. (This is assuming the circuits are extracted fatally, or that they're extracted, and then she's given to Zouken.)
I'm not sure that that version of Sakura would have been worse off, actually. At least she'd have died quickly, if she died at all (and, no, that version of her would not have been handed over to Zouken because she'd have been no real use to him without magic circuits).

But, in any case, Tokiomi wouldn't have done it. He actually did care about Sakura, even if he cared more about her well-being as a magus than as a person. There's no way he'd have taken her circuits away from her, because as far as he is concerned, giving her the chance to he a great magus is the most important gift he can bestow on his daughter. He's a complete moron and a terrible father, yes, but that doesn't mean he didn't genuinely love Sakura (and Rin). He just loved them in a very magus-like way, and failed to consider the possibility that there was more to life than just being a great magus (such as having a loving family and a happy life).

Rin seeing a version of her father who had done that would be a horrific shock to her, though. He would likely have died in much the same way as in canon, however (because Kariya would have been even more pissed at him for hurting Aoi's daughter), and thus she might well never find out.
Cherry_lover said:
nick012000 said:
I'm pretty sure Rin would figure it out when they're both on the floor writhing in pain from the magic circuit transfer, if not, the occasion impulse to lop off whatever limb they were transferred onto afterwards would probably tip her off. She's not stupid, and it's not like this sort of thing is exactly subtle. If the anime/movie are accurate to the censored version of the visual novel, she might be able to draw on Sakura's supplies of prana, as well, which would also be something that'd tip her off.
Well, she'd know that she'd got circuits from somewhere, I guess, but in that situation I doubt she'd have ever even met Sakura, because if Tokiomi intends to use her as nothing more than a source of circuits to transport into Rin he's not likely to raise her properly, and he's certainly not going to let Rin get to know her or feel affection for her if he's intending to kill her as a circuit transplant. Also, I'm pretty sure you couldn't transplant someone's entire magic circuit into another without killing the person you're taking the circuit from, either.
It depends on whether Evil!Tokiomi wrote down what he'd done. Likewise, it could be considered normal behavior in a world with much nastier magi. Not a world I'd want to visit, and if, say, one of the Rins from 'With a Little Help from My Selves' encountered the Rin of that Earth (assuming she's evil/brainwashed enough not to consider it wrong), I could see her immediately cutting off contact, and warning the others.
So, here it is.
 

Cherry_lover

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#23
Prince Charon said:
It depends on whether Evil!Tokiomi wrote down what he'd done.? Likewise, it could be considered normal behavior in a world with much nastier magi.? Not a world I'd want to visit, and if, say, one of the Rins from 'With a Little Help from My Selves' encountered the Rin of that Earth (assuming she's evil/brainwashed enough not to consider it wrong), I could see her immediately cutting off contact, and warning the others.
Well, yeah, the question is whether it's just Tokiomi being a bastard, or whether Rin takes the same attitude as well. I mean, it's well within the realms of possibility that magi in the main Nasuverse would do things like that (hell, the Einsberns essentially do treat people like that, only they do it with homonculi and not with "normal" humans), and I doubt the Association would give a crap if they did, provided they did it without endangering the secrecy of magic. So, I don't honestly think that it needs magi in general to be any more nasty, just Tokiomi.

Certainly, though, you're right that any version of Rin who came across that world would be very upset by the situation there, and would likely try to keep away from that universe as much as possible. It does depend, though, on what the version of Rin in that universe felt about the idea. Whether she felt a little bad about it (like I said, I doubt she'd have even known Sakura (she'd have likely been raised in a cage in the basement or something...), so she wouldn't feel any sense of loss for her sister) or whether she just didn't care, and whether she was a genuinely good person but with different morals (so she simply couldn't see what was wrong with it, at least until the main Rin talked to her and mentioned that, in her universe, the "donor" was very much still alive, and made that Rin realise that she was a real person whose life had been nothing but suffering and not just a tool to provide her with circuits) or whether she was a truly bad person who just didn't care how much her sister had suffered to provide her with circuits.
 

Prince Charon

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#24
What would Shirou-0 take from his counterparts, do you think, other than new swords, and better Tracing skills? I'm assuming, of course, that Rin-0 lends him the Jewel Dagger, at some point before the War properly starts.
 

ranmatoushin

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#25
I was just thinking, wouldn't Rin be just slightly unhappy about finding out about the CERN tests, and wouldn't the clocktower be VERY happy?

because by Nasu verse rules there is no longer a second magic, because it (the second magic) can now be accomplished by science, witch will impact on those who are aiming for it or already have it.
 
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