Wrestling: Entertainment or softcore porn?

GenocideHeart

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#1
I've been a wrestling aficionado since I was a small boy rooting for Antonio Inoki and Giant Baba o the obscure channels that aired Japanese puroresu. Sinc then, we've come a looooooooong way from it. First WWF, then ECW and WCW, which both died, then the change of name from WWF to WWE, and now TNA.

Sadly, wrestling has become less a matter of skill and more a matter of 'who can cheat in the lamest, most soap-opera-ish fashion'. It's a state of things that an oldskooler like yours truly isn't really happy with.

Wrestling USED to be about skill, even for the females (just look at a match with Lioness Asuka, Jumbo Hori or the Crush Girls), but now, it's all people with lots of steroid-induced muscles, while the skilled guys, like Rey Mysterio, Paul London and Brian Kendrick, are relegated to midcarder status at best because they're "too small".

The hell? Too small doesn't equal auto-suck. People like Edge are the ones who suck, because they have ZERO SKILL and even less mic talent. They just have the good luck of looking imposing. Well, it isn't enough.

Anybody can look threatening by standing around and grunting a lot but if all you can do is swing a hammer around, punch some fatass for 30 minutes and then hit a finisher (cough HHHcough), then why the hell should you get a tile shot?

And yet... I suppose screwing the boss's daughter helps. Otherwise, a guy like HHH wouldn't be winning titles left and right. -_-

Nowadays, wrestling is just a glorified softcore gay por soap opera, no more, no less... disappointing, in a way. How the mighty have fallen...

Well... say your piece now. I'll add more later...
 

Israfel

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#2
Bah, wrestling in the states is just plain horrible, I've always hated it. All it is to me is a way for a bunch of musclebound cheauvanists to rip their shirts off and grunt and hollar like the apes that they are. Not to mention it's all fake in the states.
 

GenocideHeart

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#3
Israfel said:
Bah, wrestling in the states is just plain horrible, I've always hated it. All it is to me is a way for a bunch of musclebound cheauvanists to rip their shirts off and grunt and hollar like the apes that they are. Not to mention it's all fake in the states.
Calling it 'fake' isn't entirely correct. If you mess up, you can easily hurt someone, or get hurt, really badly. Droz teaches.

But yeah, it's staged.
 

Israfel

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#4
Calling it 'fake' isn't entirely correct. If you mess up, you can easily hurt someone, or get hurt, really badly. Droz teaches.

But yeah, it's staged.
Well yeah I know you can get hurt, why do you think so many kids get hurt trying those stunts, and all the actual matches are completely staged and probably even choreographed ahead of time so I think it's pretty boring really.
 

SimmyC

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#5
Yeah. They are staged. I mean, just look at the background story. There is no way that they could be 'real' with that nutty soap opera storylines. Now, this doesn't take away the fact that they excellent athletes. They wouldn't be able to do what they could if they were all a bunch of puny weaklings. Still, the 'fakeness' of it all turns me off.
 

GenocideHeart

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#6
SimmyC said:
Yeah. They are staged. I mean, just look at the background story. There is no way that they could be 'real' with that nutty soap opera storylines. Now, this doesn't take away the fact that they excellent athletes. They wouldn't be able to do what they could if they were all a bunch of puny weaklings. Still, the 'fakeness' of it all turns me off.
I wouldn't mind it if the fights themselves were staged and the outcomes were scripted, but some of those 'storylines' are just retarded. Mae Young giving birth to a hand? Undertaker destroying the ring with lightning? HHH getting a car dropped on him and being fine one week later?

Ergh...
 

Israfel

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#7
I wouldn't mind it if the fights themselves were staged and the outcomes were scripted, but some of those 'storylines' are just retarded. Mae Young giving birth to a hand? Undertaker destroying the ring with lightning? HHH getting a car dropped on him and being fine one week later?

Ergh...
Meh, I don't watch wrestling so I'm not all that up on the 'storylines' but that does sound pretty lame. Especially the lightning thing.
 

GenocideHeart

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#8
Israfel said:
I wouldn't mind it if the fights themselves were staged and the outcomes were scripted, but some of those 'storylines' are just retarded. Mae Young giving birth to a hand? Undertaker destroying the ring with lightning? HHH getting a car dropped on him and being fine one week later?

Ergh...
Meh, I don't watch wrestling so I'm not all that up on the 'storylines' but that does sound pretty lame. Especially the lightning thing.
Actually seeing it is even lamer, trust me.

Also, Vince McMahon has this strange fixation with people physically kissing his ass. <_< Eeeew.
 

Israfel

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#9
Actually seeing it is even lamer, trust me.

Also, Vince McMahon has this strange fixation with people physically kissing his ass.á Eeeew.
Ugh! I don't want anyone anywhere near my ass, Hyne why would anyone like that.
 

Israfel

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#12
Perhaps because he'd like something else up his ass?
Exactly!!! I think we've stumbled upon a mass conspiracy here, all wrestlers must be gay and they're using the macho act to cover up for it.
 

GenocideHeart

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#15
Fatuous One said:
...bad mental image. :(
Just paying you back for bringing up all those unholy fetishes.
Dude, McMahon is like 70 years old. I can do without wrinkly asses in addition to all those fetishes, thanks a lot.

Though Rikishi's ass was scarier...
 

Wonderbee31

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#17
Having been a worker in small venues here in the US and abroad, I can say that the current state of wrestling is teh suck, sot like 30 minutes of good in 3 hours of suck. You can easily hurt yourself if it goes wrong, and it does, belive me.

I can also say that these days, I can't watch WWE anymore, as it's getting to be what WCW was like in the bad old days, that is: a certain section of almost constant winners, with not much new talent being brought in, and the ones that are good, are pretty much left out to dry, imo. WWE will die a sad and lonely death within the next several years if they don't do something to get things jazzed up like they did in the old 'Attitude' era.

Oh yeah, that butt was big, and wrinkled, that's the truth.
 

TheWickerMan

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#18
I really dislike WWE, I almost never watch it anymore. TNA/NWA is so much better.

It reminds me of the wrestling back in the 80's, have little soap opera shit, and a good amount of wrestling. I just wish that Mysterio, London, Hendrick, and RVD would wise up and make the jump. Where they could actually USE their skills.

Plus I hate Randy Orton. :angry:
 

wonga316

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#19
I think you have to accept it for what is - fake and all the other bullshit included.

Remember, it's not shakespear that we are watching nor are the all the people involved in it's production are the smartest going around. so what do we expect?

but in saying that, seeing brock land on his head from a failed shooting star press at wrestlemania was awesome :p
 

Israfel

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#20
Yah, as people start to see how stupid it is it will start to die out, literally, from all the wrestlers eventually screwing up at one point or another and then killing each other off by accident and/or going to jail for manslaughter and with no new ones coming in it'll die out.
 

GenocideHeart

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#21
The biggest problem WWE has is that Cripple H is killing the younger talents. He's basically pulling the same shit Hogan did in WCW - pushing his friends, no matter how much they suck *AHEM Randy Whorton AHEM*, and forcing those he dislikes, like Paul Burchill, to either job or be mired in the midcard swamp.

I can name a dozen wrestlers in WWE alone who deserve a title shot more than The Decerebrated Assassin does. Offhand: Paul London and Brian Kendrick, Paul Burchill, Rey Mysterio, Super Crazy and Psychosis (By the way, Vince, NICE FUCKING JOB firing Juventud just because he actually tried to ENTERTAIN the crowd. Fuck you, old goat.), William Regal, Tajiri (who left WWE recently), Hardcore Holly, Nunzio (as Little Guido in ECW he owned), Rob Van Dam, Shawn Michaels, hell even Ric Flair, who despite being twice HHH's age, is still 100x better. WOOOOOOOOOOO! :lol:
 

TheWickerMan

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#22
GenocideHeart said:
The biggest problem WWE has is that Cripple H is killing the younger talents. He's basically pulling the same shit Hogan did in WCW - pushing his friends, no matter how much they suck *AHEM Randy Whorton AHEM*, and forcing those he dislikes, like Paul Burchill, to either job or be mired in the midcard swamp.

I can name a dozen wrestlers in WWE alone who deserve a title shot more than The Decerebrated Assassin does. Offhand: Paul London and Brian Kendrick, Paul Burchill, Rey Mysterio, Super Crazy and Psychosis (By the way, Vince, NICE FUCKING JOB firing Juventud just because he actually tried to ENTERTAIN the crowd. Fuck you, old goat.), William Regal, Tajiri (who left WWE recently), Hardcore Holly, Nunzio (as Little Guido in ECW he owned), Rob Van Dam, Shawn Michaels, hell even Ric Flair, who despite being twice HHH's age, is still 100x better. WOOOOOOOOOOO! :lol:
I totally agree.

And Paul Burchill is awesome. Argh! :p I had no idea that Juventud got fired. That sucks, but this means that he might jump over to TNA. Which is good. :D I mean look at Christian, he's become something more than a joke in WWE.
 

GenocideHeart

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#23
TheWickerMan said:
I totally agree.

And Paul Burchill is awesome. Argh! :p I had no idea that Juventud got fired. That sucks, but this means that he might jump over to TNA. Which is good. :D I mean look at Christian, he's become something more than a joke in WWE.
It's a testament to how good Burchill is that he's still being cheered when he has a totally shitty gimmick like 'pirate Paul'.

As for Juventud, he was fired because he overextended a match on Velocity, and used a bunch of high flying move despite WWE forcing its wrestlers to cut back on those for fear of having to pay health insurance. -_- Never mind that a cruiserweight is DEFGINED by his high flying moves.

The icing on the cake was him executing a 450 off the top rope. WWE deemed the move 'too dangerous' after Cripple H was sore during practice from it. Same reason why they banned the piledriver - HHH was afraid of taking one, never mind that his Pedigree is more dangerous...

It's sad when a pampered relative of McMahon can decide who does what in WWE...
 

wonga316

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#24
GenocideHeart said:
Same reason why they banned the piledriver - HHH was afraid of taking one, never mind that his Pedigree is more dangerous...
wow... is that true about the pile driver? so like the undertaker can't even do the tombstone?
 

GenocideHeart

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#25
wonga316 said:
GenocideHeart said:
Same reason why they banned the piledriver - HHH was afraid of taking one, never mind that his Pedigree is more dangerous...
wow... is that true about the pile driver? so like the undertaker can't even do the tombstone?
Taker is pretty much the only person who can still do a piledriver. And lately, he uses the chokeslam more as a finisher.

Everybody else is barred from using it.
 
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