Young Justice

Ordo

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#1
Check this out

Young Justice Independence Day

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwxPjo7s_7M' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Part 1</a>

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQMBN1c3Ms8&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Part 2</a>

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqFHZ7MGA9o&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Part 3</a>

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl0O_49lElU&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Part 4</a>

It's good to see the legacy of DC TV animation is alive and well.
 

crazyfoxdemon

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#2
I like how they decided to use the newest Aqualad from Brightest Day...
 

nick012000

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#3
crazyfoxdemon said:
I like how they decided to use the newest Aqualad from Brightest Day...
DC Wiki also says it's the <a href='http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-16' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>same universe</a> as the one where <a href='http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Super-Sons' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Batman and Superman got married and had sons</a>.

Maybe they're trying to appeal to the yaoi fangirl demographic as well.

Also, isn't Martian Manhunter the last living member of his species in the main DC Universe? That just implies all sorts of unsavory things about his relationship with Miss Martian in this.
 

sworded

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#4
In the comics Miss Martian is a White Martian who isn't an evil, sociopath bent on conquest, and there's always been a number of White Martians around.
 

Kayeich

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#5
Regarding the universe, note that the wiki points out that it's contradictory info. There's three different things that are supposed to be occuring in that setting that can't possibly be occuring in the same setting. I'd just ignore the tidbit about the universe, as it's not really relevant to the show.

Also, they're not so much using Aqualad from Brightest Day, as Geoff Johns liked his design so much that he pulled him into mainstream continuity, writing his origin story into Brightest Day. Of course, it's a different origin story, they have different names, and really the only thing they share are being black and having those water swords (and supposedly his being Black Manta's son, though cartoon hasn't confirmed that yet).

As for the show itself, it honestly bugs me for the most part, partly because I tend to have a strong distaste for "Darker and Edgier" treatments, and Young Justice was one of my favorite comic books due to it's lighthearted and humorous approach to teenage heroes.

So I feel the treatment is kind of a travesty, and feels more reminescent of the Titans series that followed it (which actually, I also tend to not think fondly of) after it was cancelled. And really, I wish they'd just called it Titans, and separated it from the Teen Titans cartoon that way (there's how many batman shows of different flavors without issues there?), than call it Young Justice when it has -absolutely nothing- to do with the comic book of the same name.

The creation of a new Aqualad also bugs me, as I don't see why they had to create this Marty Stu piece of shit character. He was created entirely to serve as the ethnic token character, but so that it's not so obvious that's his role, oh look, he's also made the LEADER of the group. And his personality SCREAMS "I'm a Marty Stu! Love me!".

Keep in mind that the comics had some time ago introduced a perfectly ethnic -and- female version, Aquagirl, who was a hispanic character and already existing. They couldn't have used her in the show for some reason? Did they need to keep a testosterone quotient that was higher to the number of girls?

And as nick mentioned, Miss Martian is a disturbing choice addition not just because she's younger than Martian Manhunter, but she's Jonzz's -niece- now (instead of a white martian), so either their race dies with 'em, or...

Arrowette being fused with Artemis...I can't really complain over the treatment, since she hasn't had an onscreen appearance. But that the costume in the promo poster is disgustingly green, and looks awful on her.

I don't generally have a problem with changes to Robin/Kid-Flash/Superboy, the reasoning for those changes make sense for the most part.

That said, it's also annoying that the show is using the 'teenagers are walking emotional time bombs' treatment to create GOLLY-GOSH-DRAMA. Well, except for Aqualad, because he's oh so mature and awesome, and look at his abs, I could just squee like a fangirl! *gags*

For all that though, the animation and fights were pretty damn solid and impressive. If you can go into the show without the mindset that this is supposed to be an adaptation of YJ, and don't mind emo/angry teenagers and think "darker and edgier" is awesome, this could be the show for you!
 

Mercsenary

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#6
nick012000 said:
crazyfoxdemon said:
I like how they decided to use the newest Aqualad from Brightest Day...
DC Wiki also says it's the <a href='http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-16' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>same universe</a> as the one where <a href='http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Super-Sons' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Batman and Superman got married and had sons</a>.

Maybe they're trying to appeal to the yaoi fangirl demographic as well.

Also, isn't Martian Manhunter the last living member of his species in the main DC Universe? That just implies all sorts of unsavory things about his relationship with Miss Martian in this.
MMm no Miss Martian shows up in Teen Titans #37. Checked the Wiki.


Though... At least Most Common Superpower isnt all that blatant. :D
 

Kayeich

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#7
Mercsenary said:
Though... At least Most Common Superpower isnt all that blatant. :D
Miss Martian's a shaaaaaapeshifter =p
 

Ordo

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#8
Kayeich said:
As for the show itself, it honestly bugs me for the most part, partly because I tend to have a strong distaste for "Darker and Edgier" treatments, and Young Justice was one of my favorite comic books due to it's lighthearted and humorous approach to teenage heroes.
I really don't see any 'Darker Edgier' treatment so far. Yeah it's not lighthearted like Teen Titans, but it feels about the same balance of grit and comedy as Batman TAS, Batman Beyond and JLU.

I really do think people are throwing the term 'Darker and Edgier' around a little too much these days, and to date I don't think it fits this series. However, since one of the producers worked on Disney's Gargoyles (One of the BEST cartoons to ever come out of the Mouse House) I feel that it will tackle some interesting things and provide some fascinating characters.

The creation of a new Aqualad also bugs me, as I don't see why they had to create this Marty Stu piece of shit character. He was created entirely to serve as the ethnic token character, but so that it's not so obvious that's his role, oh look, he's also made the LEADER of the group. And his personality SCREAMS "I'm a Marty Stu! Love me!".
Who said they had to create Harly Quinn? That worked out wonderfully, and since DC writers decided to import this version of Aqualad over to their comics, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I can't call him a Marty Stu, so much as a (mostly) Sane young man. Robin's bright, talented and came up with the plan to beat Blockbuster, but he's not quite ready to lead just yet. Kid Flash is a team player but is not leadership material, Superboys to inexpierenced and Megan's too shy. Aqualad is just the best choice at the moment. We'll see if he survives the season still in charge.

That said, it's also annoying that the show is using the 'teenagers are walking emotional time bombs' treatment to create GOLLY-GOSH-DRAMA.á Well, except for Aqualad, because he's oh so mature and awesome, and look at his abs, I could just squee like a fangirl! *gags*
When that happens let me know, I'll comment on it.

If you can go into the show without the mindset that this is supposed to be an adaptation of YJ,
Done, since Teen Titans wasn't exactly a perfect adaptaion of the original comic.

and don't mind emo/angry teenagers
The only one whose emo/angry is Superboy, and once he calmed down he just seemed more overwhelmed and unsure than anything else. Makes sense he's only 16 weeks old.
 

Kayeich

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#9
I don't mind shows that tackle darker subjects or are more mature in theme, I rather liked Gargoyles myself. I'm not a fan of -adaptations- that do this, however, and I'm very hesitant to embrace them usually.

As for Harley Quinn, keep in mind that originally she was originally meant as a one-off character, she just proved rather popular and got an expanded role. It's a little different than creating a new character solely to lead a team of pre-established characters, especially when you had other options, and he appears to be the only ethnic character.

Right now, Aqualad's the only character to not really display any flaws, he seems well liked/respected by everyone, very calm compared to everyone else (including adults, who also pay attention more when he's talking), and he's very much responsible for calming/coercing Superboy into their side. That combined with what I said about his creation and his being selected as team leader is what's ringing bells in my head.

Maybe he'll display more flaws later on. I don't know, only had the one episode to go off of. But right now, a lot of his characteristics feel Stu'ish to me. The other characters did display flaws, suh as Robin's immaturity, Superboy's anger/lack of experience, or hell, Megan who got all of 2 minutes of screentime had shyness issues.

And again, I was bothered by the fact that they had to introduce a new black character, instead of using Aquagirl (hispanic/female), Empress (black/female), or Static (black/male), if the purpose was to have the token ethnic character, to name a few of the very available options.

As for the characterization of them as teenagers being emo/angry, well, I can't entirely argue your point and it might just be my own impressions of where it's headed and how I felt the characters were being treated due to their differences from their original counterparts (those that had counterparts).

I watched the pilot back when it premiered instead of just now, and I'm really going off my impression of the episode back then.

The treatment of the adults for the 'kids' might also have been prevalent in that image, it's hard to feel the sense of trust one should expect from a mentor hero for a sidekick they've been working with for years.

About the only adult/teen interaction there that really worked for me was Superman's uncomfortable/awkward reaction to Superboy.
 

Estrecca

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#10
nick012000 said:
Also, isn't Martian Manhunter the last living member of his species in the main DC Universe? That just implies all sorts of unsavory things about his relationship with Miss Martian in this.
Recently a new Green Martian has resurfaced. Unfortunately, she is a Joker level psychopath who has brainwashed the Martian Manhunter into thinking that he has managed to revive his deceased species, including his late family. Hilarity is ensuing right now.
 

Ordo

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#11
Kayeich said:
Right now, Aqualad's the only character to not really display any flaws, he seems well liked/respected by everyone, very calm compared to everyone else (including adults, who also pay attention more when he's talking), and he's very much responsible for calming/coercing Superboy into their side. That combined with what I said about his creation and his being selected as team leader is what's ringing bells in my head.
I would argue that he's hesitant, and already made a bad call by releasing 'Superboy' when they didn't know if he was friend or foe. Morally it was the right thing to do, but it didn't make a lot of logical sense at the time.

And again, I was bothered by the fact that they had to introduce a new black character, instead of using Aquagirl (hispanic/female), Empress (black/female), or Static (black/male), if the purpose was to have the token ethnic character, to name a few of the very available options.
Since he is the son of Black Manta and does not yet know this, I imagine his background will be used to provide conflict later on. His loyalty to Aquaman will likely contrast with having to deal with who his father is, what he's done, and what it says about Aquaman that he kept the truth from him.

Obi Wan: Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
ù Star Wars Episode VI - Return Of The Jedi

Luke: That's Jedi code for, "I lied my butt off," isn't it?
ù Irregular Webcomic
Besides, since they already said they plan to kill characters off, they can have Aqualad go out in a blaze of glory at the end of the season, and bring in his replacement (one of the character you wanted) by the start of Season 2.
 

Crusader

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#12
Ordo said:
Obi Wan: Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
ù Star Wars Episode VI - Return Of The Jedi

Luke: That's Jedi code for, "I lied my butt off," isn't it?
ù Irregular Webcomic
? ? "All Jedi lie, Vos. Haven't you heard? It's part of our mystique."
? ? ?Sian Jeisel to Quinlan Vos
 

nick012000

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#13
Kayeich said:
And again, I was bothered by the fact that they had to introduce a new black character, instead of using Aquagirl (hispanic/female), Empress (black/female), or Static (black/male), if the purpose was to have the token ethnic character, to name a few of the very available options.
The new Blue Beetle, who's Hispanic as well, though I suppose the high-ups might think that's too close to white. :p
 

Kayeich

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#14
I would argue that he's hesitant, and already made a bad call by releasing 'Superboy' when they didn't know if he was friend or foe. Morally it was the right thing to do, but it didn't make a lot of logical sense at the time.
True. And I guess being overly idealistic/moral can in its own way be a flaw as well (it often is for certain characterizations of Superman and Captain Marvel).

Since he is the son of Black Manta and does not yet know this, I imagine his background will be used to provide conflict later on. His loyalty to Aquaman will likely contrast with having to deal with who his father is, what he's done, and what it says about Aquaman that he kept the truth from him.
At this point, we don't really know the backstory there between Aquaman/Manta/Aqualad, but probably.

Besides, since they already said they plan to kill characters off, they can have Aqualad go out in a blaze of glory at the end of the season, and bring in his replacement (one of the character you wanted) by the start of Season 2.
Wasn't aware they were planning to kill off characters. I suppose he -is- wearing a red shirt at that (but then, so is Robin).

That said, given he's already been introduced, I don't mind so much if they keep him instead of bringing in another character. It's already a done deal that he's there, after all, so all one can do on that subject is gripe on the 'What could have been' side of things.

I just hope they at least make him a little more interesting than he currently is though, or that they introduce a little more friction between him and the other characters than this easy understanding/respect he has going at the moment.
 

cgobyd

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#15
I really don't see how this is darker or edgier then Young Justice. Yes they haven't had very much of the wacky/light humor that YJ was known for but at the same time YJ itself had some really dark elements. Just to name a few dark elements in the comic.

First YJ had a GHOST who had been violently murdered by her older brother* was held in a air tight chamber by a secret government organization until she escaped and ran to YJ, but then later has a dangerous obsesive crush on Robin and even tried to kill Spoiler because she viewed her as competition. And then we we find out that she is constantly staring into a void so deep and dark that being put into it drives criminals near insane.

*who went on to become a supervillian (and we find out that he killed her so that he could get demonic powers) who is eventually killed by his own father who believed him to be so far beyond salvation that death was the only way.

Then we have Arrowette who is a hero only because her mother, a hasben z-list sidekick, wishes despretly to relive her glory days so she pushes her child into olympic level archery/fighting training (and it is hinted destroyed any childhood she had).

Finally we have Slobo who is a clone of Lobo created when Lobo was shot up so badly that there was only blood and meat left. Then in the later chapters it is revealed that Slobo deals with inferiority issues because he views himself as a cowered because he ran away from the fight that created him. Then he starts to go blind because only one of the clones was supposed to survive and absorb all his dead 'brothers' (who the living one killed) so his genetic material is breaking down and he is slowely dying. Finally he is turned into living (though unable to move) stone and left like that until he is destroyed in the far future.

That doesn't even get into the social commentary issues or the fact that not even half way through they were going to be forcefully disbanded because a giant consperacy of elderly superhero's was framing them.

Secondly I think Megan could easily still be a White Martian because IIRC Miss Martian wasn't known to be a White Martian until a long time after her introduction and even if they know that she is a White Martian which is better to tell prospective teammates 'She is the Manhunters niece' or 'She is from a race of psycotic murderers who committed global genocide because they felt like it, but she is a Really nice person... Really'.
 

Coelacanth

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#16
I just watched the first episode. I have to say that I enjoyed it.
 

zeebee1

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#17
I've read Young Justice. This isn't Young Justice. It's Teen Titans, comic book version, with a different cast.
 

Coelacanth

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#18
zeebee1 said:
I've read Young Justice. This isn't Young Justice. It's Teen Titans, comic book version, with a different cast.
Exactly, Robin isn't leading anyone.
 

Mercsenary

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#19
<a href='http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>They changed it. Now it sucks.</a>


YOU'RE TEARS. THEY MAKE ME LAUGH.
 

crazyfoxdemon

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#21
A Curious Stranger said:
THIS IS NOT TIM DRAKE! THERE IS NO BART ALLEN!

FUCK DC!!!
I dunno... This Tim Drake reminds me a lot of the early Robin comics..
 

Hashasheen

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#22
dr.michael92 said:
I just watched the first episode. I have to say that I enjoyed it.
This. I'm going to take a wait and see approach, but seriously, not everything has to be the same from the comics.
 
#23
Quit ya crying. Personally I'm loving this new series, free of DC's convolutions via a fresh start, and as serious as Justice League Animated. Win win combination in my books no matter what anyone else says. Its familiar enough that you can recognize things in it, but not bogged down in exact imitation.

Give it a chance.

And A+ on animation budget, and voice acting. So if that stays consistent its going to be a worthwhile ride.
 

Coelacanth

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#24
Himitsu the Hunter said:
Quit ya crying. Personally I'm loving this new series, free of DC's convolutions via a fresh start, and as serious as Justice League Animated. Win win combination in my books no matter what anyone else says. Its familiar enough that you can recognize things in it, but not bogged down in exact imitation.

Give it a chance.

And A+ on animation budget, and voice acting. So if that stays consistent its going to be a worthwhile ride.
Pretty much this.

The animation really is top notch and the action is pretty good.
 

Prince Charon

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#25
I'll giving it a chance, but I'm to cynical to expect much from it.
 
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