Nasuverse Zelretch's Hallowe'en Experiments

[Prince Charon]

One of the many versions of Zelretch out there comes into contact with the BtVS episode <a href='http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Halloween' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Halloween</a>, by way of one of the many (many, many...) Alternate Halloween fanfics out there. Reading a few more, he decides to try an experiment: see if he can duplicate not only the Halloween spell itself, but the ability shown by Xander in canon, and lots and lots of people in fanon, to retain abilities of the costume-entity, after the spell has been cancelled. To maximise the knowledge gained, he talks a bunch of other Zelretchs into doing the same, in their Worlds. They will use mostly the same subjects, to observe how those subjects are altered differently. Specifically, the students of Homurabara Gakuen (though you could use the cast of Tsukihime, instead, if you like - not all the Zel's agree on who the most amusing victims are) are going to get a costume party on Hallowe'en, 2003, just a few months before the Fifth Holy Grail War - with special attention given to Rin, and those associated with her. Due to timelines that flow a little faster than others, the Zel's are mostly aware of how the Fifth Heaven's Feel will go without their interference, and so are curious about how it would go with this change. For example, suppose he sends Shirou a King Arthur costume, with, say, Rin as Guinevere, and Sakura as Lancelot?

If you especially want Ilya to be involved, Zel could arrange it. She summoned Herakles about a year before the Fifth War, but I'm not sure when she arrived in Fuyuki. Say, Shirou dresses as Kiritsugu, and Ilya as Iris (which I hope leads to her keeping the grown-up, not-going-to-die-in-a-year body, afterwards).

Crossovers are acceptable, but may need some adjustment to get them to work. Naruto, for example, has 'ninja' (or what they call ninja) apparently using the Second Magic at genin (beginner) level, which could have nasty effects on the readers' SoD.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

I am totally on board with Shirou as Kiritsugu and Ilya as Irisviel. That's a fantastic idea to use with a plot device that's been beaten half to death. You could write a solid story on that device alone. Shirou begins to get a better understand of Kiritsugu, possibly enough to know that he deeply loved Ilya and never wanted to abandon her. It's something he could tell Ilya afterwards. And Ilya...well. Depends on whether she gets Iris' final memories.

Hell, if Ilya had no costume, or at least no personality changing costume, her meeting Kiritsugu!Shirou could be good.

If Zelretch is going to try and get Ilya to be someone, he may go all the way and try to summon Justica. Perhaps there's a reason that in particular wouldn't work.

Moreover, I am greatly pleased with a Zelretch that does things not just for the lols, but for SCIENCE! Or at least in a scientific manner. Maybe they're using multiple realities to get sufficient results? Achieving multiple objectives with a single experiment, fantastic. Multiple Zelretchs disagreeing on who to torment is pretty funny too.

If this isn't a full down story, it'd make a fantastic collection of one shots.

 

[TmDagger]

How long 'till idea of ORT costume comes up??

 

[Prince Charon]

How long 'till idea of ORT costume comes up??

That could be really short story.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

How long 'till idea of ORT costume comes up??

That could be really short story.

Zelretch: Well, time to go!
*Kaleidoscope teleport*
Zelretch: Note to self: ORT was a bad, bad idea and I am ashamed I considered it. Now, what clothes did Brunestad wear...

 

[Prince Charon]

How long 'till idea of ORT costume comes up??

That could be really short story.

Zelretch: Well, time to go!
*Kaleidoscope teleport*
Zelretch: Note to self: ORT was a bad, bad idea and I am ashamed I considered it. Now, what clothes did Brunestad wear...

Well, I was thinking that each Zel ran the experiment in his own timeline, and then shared the memory, but yeah.

I wonder if he'd ever have someone dress as himself. Imagine a Shirou who had briefly been Zelretch, and thus could Trace and use the Jewel Sword, and any other blade Zel had seen in his life. For that matter, such a Shirou might be able to make new swords, rather than just copies.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

How long 'till idea of ORT costume comes up??

That could be really short story.

Zelretch: Well, time to go!
*Kaleidoscope teleport*
Zelretch: Note to self: ORT was a bad, bad idea and I am ashamed I considered it. Now, what clothes did Brunestad wear...

Well, I was thinking that each Zel ran the experiment in his own timeline, and then shared the memory, but yeah.

I wonder if he'd ever have someone dress as himself. Imagine a Shirou who had briefly been Zelretch, and thus could Trace and use the Jewel Sword, and any other blade Zel had seen in his life. For that matter, such a Shirou might be able to make new swords, rather than just copies.

While this is true and would be interesting....would Zelretch really risk just handing some kid, and a third-rate magus at that, his precious Second Magic?

 

[Prince Charon]

How long 'till idea of ORT costume comes up??

That could be really short story.

Zelretch: Well, time to go!
*Kaleidoscope teleport*
Zelretch: Note to self: ORT was a bad, bad idea and I am ashamed I considered it. Now, what clothes did Brunestad wear...

Well, I was thinking that each Zel ran the experiment in his own timeline, and then shared the memory, but yeah.

I wonder if he'd ever have someone dress as himself. Imagine a Shirou who had briefly been Zelretch, and thus could Trace and use the Jewel Sword, and any other blade Zel had seen in his life. For that matter, such a Shirou might be able to make new swords, rather than just copies.

While this is true and would be interesting....would Zelretch really risk just handing some kid, and a third-rate magus at that, his precious Second Magic?

Well, I'm assuming that Zelretchs in different timelines have varying personalities. There might be one who has some reson to want another person to understand the Second Magic, or who wants to see what someone with the Origin and Element 'Sword' will do with it. Canon Zelretch at least was willing to give a copy of the plans to the Jewel Sword to the Tohsaka family as a multigenerational homework assignment, though that's really not the same thing.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

How long 'till idea of ORT costume comes up??

That could be really short story.

Zelretch: Well, time to go!
*Kaleidoscope teleport*
Zelretch: Note to self: ORT was a bad, bad idea and I am ashamed I considered it. Now, what clothes did Brunestad wear...

Well, I was thinking that each Zel ran the experiment in his own timeline, and then shared the memory, but yeah.

I wonder if he'd ever have someone dress as himself. Imagine a Shirou who had briefly been Zelretch, and thus could Trace and use the Jewel Sword, and any other blade Zel had seen in his life. For that matter, such a Shirou might be able to make new swords, rather than just copies.

While this is true and would be interesting....would Zelretch really risk just handing some kid, and a third-rate magus at that, his precious Second Magic?

Well, I'm assuming that Zelretchs in different timelines have varying personalities. There might be one who has some reson to want another person to understand the Second Magic, or who wants to see what someone with the Origin and Element 'Sword' will do with it. Canon Zelretch at least was willing to give a copy of the plans to the Jewel Sword to the Tohsaka family as a multigenerational homework assignment, though that's really not the same thing.

Yeah, that's my point. He expects to Tohsakas to spend multiple generations trying to puzzle out his work. Whereas Shirou, potentially, sees Zelretch's memories and gets free Second Magic. That's not earning power, that's a handout.

Maybe you could sell it, but it'd be difficult.

 

[zeebee1]

The whole point of this is that he's handing out power and skill for at least one night.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

The whole point of this is that he's handing out power and skill for at least one night.

If all Zelretch can come up with is giving people power and skills, he's not as smart as advertised.

I got one: Shirou/Kirei dresses as Tohsaka Toikomi and Sakura as Tohsaka Aoi. Shinji is Kariya. Rin isn't warned.

Drama ahoy! Grab the popcorn!

 

[Prince Charon]

The whole point of this is that he's handing out power and skill for at least one night.

If all Zelretch can come up with is giving people power and skills, he's not as smart as advertised.

I got one: Shirou/Kirei dresses as Tohsaka Toikomi and Sakura as Tohsaka Aoi. Shinji is Kariya. Rin isn't warned.

Drama ahoy! Grab the popcorn!

Wow. That's going to mess with everyone (mind you, Shinji certainly deserves the crushing guilt he'd get).

Another thought that will mess with them: Shirou gets an Archer (EMIYA) costume, and gets to see where his ideals lead (as well as a lot of skills he wouldn't have at this point, and knowledge of how the 5HGW could go, if Rin summoned whichever Archer she got in EMIYA's timeline - its either implied or confirmed that she didn't have EMIYA). Possibly, all of them with enough magic circuits (or who are sufficiently likely to have magic circuits transferred into them) get costumes of themselves as Counter Guardians. Trauma all around.

 

[zeebee1]

Shirou might see the evils that man can commit, but he's not just going to just drop his ideals. He'd be more likely to be upset with the one controlling the counter guardians.

 

[Prince Charon]

Shirou might see the evils that man can commit, but he's not just going to just drop his ideals. He'd be more likely to be upset with the one controlling the counter guardians.

Trying to change Alaya would be a pretty damn epic task. Sadly, probably beyond them.

Probably. I could see them possibly trying, though.

 

[zeebee1]

Shirou has a world to save. The counter guardians can wait until he's brought about world peace. A true hero rises from the grave through sheer will to free the just from injustice.

 

[He-who-voted-for-Kodos]

...Shirou gets a Jack Rakan costume?

 

[TmDagger]

...Shirou gets a Jack Rakan costume?

Would fit, I suppose. Both are walking armories, both don't die when they are killed, both are synonymous with GAR...
Now Shirou with some of Rakan's Awesome... scary...

 

[zeebee1]

While he'd do well with Rakan's weapons the actual fighting style would use too much power. Eternal Negi Fever is something he will never be able to duplicate.

 

[TmDagger]

While he'd do well with Rakan's weapons the actual fighting style would use too much power. Eternal Negi Fever is something he will never be able to duplicate.

It is canon that Rakan was not born powerful(like Nagi). He had to slave away for every scrap of power he's got. He is called an Ultimate Hardworker for a reason.
Technically Shirou can try to train himself up to the same lvl.

 

[Prince Charon]

While he'd do well with Rakan's weapons the actual fighting style would use too much power. Eternal Negi Fever is something he will never be able to duplicate.

It is canon that Rakan was not born powerful(like Nagi). He had to slave away for every scrap of power he's got. He is called an Ultimate Hardworker for a reason.
Technically Shirou can try to train himself up to the same lvl.

Huh. That gives me the thought of Shirou going as Rock Lee, the only Narutoverse 'ninja' who doesn't have a power that would be True Magic in the Nasuverse.

Either way, Shirou would have a clear idea of how to train himself up, which is pretty important. This assumes that their methods would work in the Nasuverse, which I'm going to say 'yes, they do, because otherwise the spell wouldn't have been able to turn them into those characters'. So, let's say that the spell either adapts the abilities to the Nasuverse equivalent, or only connects to parallel worlds that operate by Nasuverse rules.

I thought about suggesting one where Matou Sakura dresses as Kinomoto Sakura, but those cards are to damn powerful. <a href='http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Sakura' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Kasugano Sakura</a> would be more workable.

Going in another direction, the more people who have some belief in a magecraft, the more powerful that magecraft can be, even if the level of belief is quite small. So, dressing up as Jedi or Sith would allow them to use a fairly powerful magecraft style. Unfortunately, Zouken's actions have already put poor Sakura in close contact with the Nasuverse's Dark Side...

Of course, the right character could help her a lot. Revan, for example. There's also the issue that most of the kids don't exactly have great emotional control, but the skills of the Jedi would help with that, despite movie-Anakin having apparently skipped or slept through those lessons (cartoon-Anakin is rather better at it).

Not sure about Shirou's ability to Trace a lightsabre, but already knowing it intimately from having dressed as, say, Obi-Wan Kenobi would certainly help a lot.

EDIT: Weird thought: Shirou is dressed as Anakin, and several girls are dressed as Padme, but different versions of her, none of whom poor Anakin can say with absolute certainty is or is not the right one.

Later EDIT: If Shirou went as Jack Rakan, might Ilya go as <a href='http://negima.wikia.com/wiki/Evangeline_A.K._McDowell' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The Visitation of Woe</a>?

 

[zeebee1]

Well, it might work if the transformation permanently rewrote Shirou's body. His small amount of magical circuits can not be increased, and there is a limit to how much each of them can hold.

 

[Deathwings]

Well, it might work if the transformation permanently rewrote Shirou's body. His small amount of magical circuits can not be increased, and there is a limit to how much each of them can hold.

Small number ? What ? :huh:

Shirou has 27 Circuits, which is above average. It only seems small because Rin is a goddamn freak of nature.

The problem is that they are, for reason canonically unknown as far I've seen so far, of low quality. A mere 10 units of prana at absolute maximum power and they take overheating damage at that point.

 

[TmDagger]

Well, it might work if the transformation permanently rewrote Shirou's body. His small amount of magical circuits can not be increased, and there is a limit to how much each of them can hold.

Small number ? What ? :huh:

Shirou has 27 Circuits, which is above average. It only seems small because Rin is a goddamn freak of nature.

The problem is that they are, for reason canonically unknown as far I've seen so far, of low quality. A mere 10 units of prana at absolute maximum power and they take overheating damage at that point.

I always assumed it's because he was not trained properly from early childhood. So his Circuits degraded from disuse.
edit. A lot of people seem to forget that reserves of Od(energy produced by soul) are not hampered by number of MC's in any way, shape or form. So, once properly developed, they should allow Shirou to more or less ignore low quality of his MC's.

 

[zeebee1]

I thought the problem was his lack of training had him rip his circuits apart, and he only survived because of Avalon. There is a reason tracing is considered a hobby magic.

 

[Ura Mamoru]

As far as I had understood, Projection/Gradation Air is considered a 'hobby' mostly because of how little time anything projected remains for. Most magi feel it more worth it to get/make the object themselves rather than waste prana projecting an item that will only linger a short time, except when necessary.

As for the circuits, I thought Shirou was making pseudo-circuits through his nerves because he was never taught how to use his existing circuits. Whether by lack of use, or by personal trait, each of his actual circuits can't channel much prana.


Let me see if I have this right.

So, Shirou has 27 circuits, this number being above average. Each circuit can focus 10 prana at max (this number being below average), but reaching the threshold causes backlash on Shirou's body. In result, once he knows how to use his proper circuits, Shirou can manage up to 270 prana units at once, whether in one magecraft utilizing all of his circuits, or divided up among up to 27 individual phenomena, right?

Or can one circuit be devoted to multiple magecrafts at once?