40K and Horus Heresy Books

Ordo

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#1
This thread is dedicated to all information and discussion about GW Warhammer 40K novels.

At the moment I'm reading the Second Night Lords book 'Blood Reaver' by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. This Author impressed me with his book 'Soul Hunter' which was the first in the Night Lords series and went a long way towards showing the Traitor legions as more than blood drinking monsters. They're still the bad guys but are for more complex than one might first think.

Aside from that he did a fantastic job with the Word Bearers, so I'm expecting good things from him in the future.


Now all you Raven Guard fans, this is for you.

 

knight_of_ni

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#2
Chaos is the most interesting of the villain factions, though. Even with their general pigeon holing into certain personalities based on what they worship, they are far more fun to see than Tyranids, Necrons, or Orks. Tyranids are too bloody cheap, Necrons too much like zombies with guns, and Orks swing between a giant joke and lol spores. Dark Eldar come the closest, but there is no way to give them redeemable features, which means they are pretty two dimensional.
 

staplesdex2

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#3
I wonder, are there any books regarding the God-Emperor's origins?
 
#4
Just finished Blood Reaver. A D-B is easily one of my favorite Black Library authors now. Also, he's a 4channer. How fun is that?
 

Grunt

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#5
More Raven Guard books are always a good thing! With the audio books and the cameos, its nice to know they won't be forgotten that easily beneath all the space marines with their own army books ^^
 

Ordo

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#6
I am currently reading "Battle of the Fang" by Chris Wraight. This guy does a good job with space battles and he's given both sides of the conflict some rather interesting characterizations. The 'Sons' are not all corrupted chaos worshipping zealots. In fact they kind of admit that this entire fight is purely for spite and that even if they succeed, they'll still be a broken and damned legion. It's kind of a 'Since I'm going down, you're coming with me thing' so far.
 

Steel

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#7
Most of the sons were turned to dust against their will, iirc.
 

Ordo

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#8
True but the ones who were not, the Magus, are the ones expressing this sentiment. One of them even talks about how they pulled all these cultist together by promising them an Imperium built on knowledge, and admits that this lovely dream is unattainable now, with a note of sadness in his thoughts.
 

pidl

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#9
Is there another series like the Ciaphas Cain series, by which I mean lighthearted and humorous despite the crapsack universe it is?
 

pacifist

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#10
I'm afraid you'll have to look to fanfiction for that. A few decent Cain stories.

poker night
<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5338251/1/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5338251/1/</a>

Emperor's Ward
<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5427778/1/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5427778/1/</a>

Bane Of Cain
<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5460191/1/Bane_Of_Cain_A_Ciaphas_Cain_Story' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5460191/1/Bane...phas_Cain_Story</a>

Service in His Shadow
<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5447380/1/Service_in_His_Shadow' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5447380/1/Service_in_His_Shadow</a>


Anyone read 15 hours? The reviews look good now I just have to find a copy.
I'm looking for any recs of good Imperial Guard books as well.
 

Ordo

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#11
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning."

Emperor of Mankind
- The Outcast Dead by Graham McNeil
 

Ordo

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#12
Corax did not create monsters, he created a way to rebuild his legion in a matter of months. He improved upon the original Astartes design and would've had his legion rebuilt in short order...but traitors pretending to be friends, brothers, introduced a touch of the daemon into the new gene matrix. Corax's new army was turned into monsters by betrayal.

One man is to blame for he hesitated to carry out th traitors orders. Had that single man done the right thing, the Raven Guard would've been back at full strength in six months. With their new techique, loyal marines would've outnumbered Traitors at least 2 to 1 within a year.

One man, ended the best hope they'd had to date.
 

Ordo

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#14
Heretic, the Ravenguard are counted amongst the greatest warriors of the Imperium. Your vaunted Alpha Legion are traitors that thought themselves smarter than everyone else.
 

Ordo

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#16
A Curious Stranger said:
This coming from a traitor son of Prospero? The hypocrisy is killing me.
Traitor? WE remained loyal to the Emperor. It was only the machinations of Horus and the overzealousness of Russ that saw our Legion destroyed.
 
#17
Yeah yeah, considering now Ahriman's lost his original vision of coming back to the Imperium in favor of taunting the servants of the 'Corpse-God,' your Legion remnants assaulting the Space Wolves' monastery and how you actively embrace your flesh change mutations as 'blessings' from the Tzeentch, I don't think you have any room to talk.
 

Ordo

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#18
Yeah, the majority of my legion was true to the Emperor until death, since only about a 1,000's sons remained after the wolves burned our world. Now why did the Alpha Legion turn traitor?

Oh Right...because a bunch of Xenos told them it was a good idea.

Brilliant.
 
#19
So I just got Know No Fear, the newest Heresy novel. It's about the Ultramarines, which might be a turn off for a lot of fans, but it is very, very good. I mean, I was quite surprised. The last time Abnett wrote about the Ultras (the movie), they came off as very generic. It wasn't even the animation, the writing itself was just very forgettable.

Not here.

Heresy-era Ultramarines are a whole new breed from the Codex worshipping Ultrasmurfs of modern day. They don't check the Codex everytime they have to go to the bathroom in case they're breaking rules (hint: Ultras, you're not supposed to do that in the first place. The Codex is a living document that's supposed to change with the times, not be set in stone like you think it is), but rather in two broad steps.

1) Theoretical: How did I get in this situation, what future situations will I enter, etc...?

2) Practical: How do I rip this moron in front of me a new asshole?

Awesome.

Anyway the plot (don't worry no spoilers) is that the vast majority of the Ultramarines, maybe around 200,000 of the 250,000 in existence are all gathered on a single planet called Calth, as they ready themselves to invade Ork space with backup from the Word Bearers. As we all know though, the Heresy is on, and the unsuspecting warriors of Ultramar are in for a rude surprise.

Pros:

Strong characters. Unlike the Ultramarines movie, every character here stands out. One marine in particular is incredibly humorous, with a deadpan delivery and badassdom to match.

I also really want to point out Guilliman's character here. His was the single best written of the entire novel and it really goes to show Abnett's mastery of the character. You remember how just about every time a Primarch is introduced, everyone is all 'Oh lo, I'm not worthy,' and then weeps at their beauty, etc, etc...? Not here. Guilliman's always been thought of as the most human of the Primarchs and it shows. He's not an inscrutable force of nature. He's an inhumanly skilled man doing the best he can at the job he's great at. His rage at the betrayal is very convincing, and overall it's just a blast to see him. Something I thought I'd never say about Rowboat Girlyman.

Betrayal. Now that was very good too. In the Horus Heresy novels I'd read, I never really clicked with the betrayal thing. Sure it was sad when Horus turned and the Luna Wolves fought the Loyalists, when the Space Wolves killed the Thousand Sons and such, but here the betrayal factor of it all is highlighted very well. It really goes into the whole 'Brother vs Brother' aspect of the war even for the rank and file Marines.

Action was good. Nothing too much to note, general Bolter Porn passed easily.

Cons:

Neglected or Shoddy subplots. One in particular really springs to mind, and that's the introduction of a Dreadnought character early in the novel. By seeing his POV you'd think you'd get to see him kick Heretic ass, but all he gets is an ending that feels like Abnett hastily added on for closure after he'd built him up so much. Very disappointing.

Ollanius Pius is changed yet again. First he was a regular Guardsman, then he was a Terminator, then he was a Custodes, now he's a freaking Immortal who's been around forever just like John Grammaticus. He dates back to Ancient Greece for God's sakes.

Favorite moment of the novel has to be when Guilliman punches through Kor Phaeron. Immensely satisfying.

I highly recommend you all check this out.
 

Lord Raine

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#20
I liked it better when he was just a man.

It really encapsulated the entire point of 40K. Humanity is going to die. We're on an inexorable backslide into oblivion. The Orks are too numerous, the Necrons too implacable, and the Tyranids completely unstoppable. But Chaos is worse than all of them.

Pius was going to die.

He didn't care.

He stood, and faced a literal God of Death and Evil, War and Destruction.

Why?

Because my Emperor needed every second I could buy him. Even if it was only one.

Warhammer 40K is the polar opposite of Lovecraft. Yes, we face alien monstrosities and supernatural horrors far beyond our kin and understanding. Yes, our defeat is inevitable. Yes, our footprint is, ultimately, insignificant.

But we will not go quietly into the night. We will face the Orks and the Necrons and the Tyranids, we will stare into the very heart of Chaos, and we will say 'no.'

I liked it better when he was just a man.
 

Grunt

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#21
That actually reminds me of one of my favourite 40k books...have a quote.

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'The secret of whether the enemy can possible win may be the darkest secret of all,' Gavalon said, his sonorous voice becoming even more distant and ruminative.

'Darker than the secret hidden by the Golden Throne itself. Everything we know and believe, of course, tells us that the Imperium cannot possibly win in the end. In the fullness of time, the only possible victory is that of Chaos. In the fullness of time, the only possible fate for humankind is extinction. And yet the Imperium fights on - and who knows what petty victories they might win the meantime, or what the true value of those petty victories might be?'

'We who are proud to be dwellers in Gulzacandra and followers of the Changer of the Ways might say, and might even believe, that we are the heroes of the eternal struggle - but we know in our hearts that it is not true, and that the Imperium has the monopoly on heroism.'

'We fight out of choice, driven by pride and lust and fury, and everything we do hastens our own end and the end of our species. They fight for duty, driven only by faith. They know that they cannot win, but they fight on, determined to survive for another hour, another year, another century... even though they know that they cannot survive forever.'

'It is they, not us , who maintain the game and make it worth the playing, it is they not us, who are the game. The ultimate triumph of Chaos, which lies so far in the future as to be of little concern to short-lived creatures such as you and I, is absolutely certain. The ruination and destruction of all mankind is but a tiny part of that culmination.'

'The Imperial forces have nothing to fight for but a trivial postponement, and yet they fight. They have made their emperor a god, and are surely right to do so, for if anyone less than a god could ever deserve to become one, what other kind of man could it be but the emperor?'

'The imperial forces are the heroes, because they have nothing to win but a momentary eye blink in the hour of eternity, for the sake of which they have sacrificed every freedom, every thought, every hope and every pleasure. They will never know how grateful my Divine Master and those like him must be for all their sacrifices, or what the true value of their petty victories must be.'
 
#22
A Curious Stranger said:
So I just got Know No Fear, the newest Heresy novel. It's about the Ultramarines, which might be a turn off for a lot of fans, but it is very, very good. I mean, I was quite surprised. The last time Abnett wrote about the Ultras (the movie), they came off as very generic. It wasn't even the animation, the writing itself was just very forgettable.

Not here.

Heresy-era Ultramarines are a whole new breed from the Codex worshipping Ultrasmurfs of modern day. They don't check the Codex everytime they have to go to the bathroom in case they're breaking rules (hint: Ultras, you're not supposed to do that in the first place. The Codex is a living document that's supposed to change with the times, not be set in stone like you think it is), but rather in two broad steps.

1) Theoretical: How did I get in this situation, what future situations will I enter, etc...?

2) Practical: How do I rip this moron in front of me a new asshole?

Awesome.

Anyway the plot (don't worry no spoilers) is that the vast majority of the Ultramarines, maybe around 200,000 of the 250,000 in existence are all gathered on a single planet called Calth, as they ready themselves to invade Ork space with backup from the Word Bearers. As we all know though, the Heresy is on, and the unsuspecting warriors of Ultramar are in for a rude surprise.

Pros:

Strong characters. Unlike the Ultramarines movie, every character here stands out. One marine in particular is incredibly humorous, with a deadpan delivery and badassdom to match.

I also really want to point out Guilliman's character here. His was the single best written of the entire novel and it really goes to show Abnett's mastery of the character. You remember how just about every time a Primarch is introduced, everyone is all 'Oh lo, I'm not worthy,' and then weeps at their beauty, etc, etc...? Not here. Guilliman's always been thought of as the most human of the Primarchs and it shows. He's not an inscrutable force of nature. He's an inhumanly skilled man doing the best he can at the job he's great at. His rage at the betrayal is very convincing, and overall it's just a blast to see him. Something I thought I'd never say about Rowboat Girlyman.

Betrayal. Now that was very good too. In the Horus Heresy novels I'd read, I never really clicked with the betrayal thing. Sure it was sad when Horus turned and the Luna Wolves fought the Loyalists, when the Space Wolves killed the Thousand Sons and such, but here the betrayal factor of it all is highlighted very well. It really goes into the whole 'Brother vs Brother' aspect of the war even for the rank and file Marines.

Action was good. Nothing too much to note, general Bolter Porn passed easily.

Cons:

Neglected or Shoddy subplots. One in particular really springs to mind, and that's the introduction of a Dreadnought character early in the novel. By seeing his POV you'd think you'd get to see him kick Heretic ass, but all he gets is an ending that feels like Abnett hastily added on for closure after he'd built him up so much. Very disappointing.

Ollanius Pius is changed yet again. First he was a regular Guardsman, then he was a Terminator, then he was a Custodes, now he's a freaking Immortal who's been around forever just like John Grammaticus. He dates back to Ancient Greece for God's sakes.

Favorite moment of the novel has to be when Guilliman punches through Kor Phaeron. Immensely satisfying.

I highly recommend you all check this out.
an immortal how the hell did that happen i thought only emperor and the primarchs had infinite lifespan card among humans

I liked it better when he was just a man.

It really encapsulated the entire point of 40K. Humanity is going to die. We're on an inexorable backslide into oblivion. The Orks are too numerous, the Necrons too implacable, and the Tyranids completely unstoppable. But Chaos is worse than all of them.

Pius was going to die.

He didn't care.

He stood, and faced a literal God of Death and Evil, War and Destruction.

Why?

Because my Emperor needed every second I could buy him. Even if it was only one.

Warhammer 40K is the polar opposite of Lovecraft. Yes, we face alien monstrosities and supernatural horrors far beyond our kin and understanding. Yes, our defeat is inevitable. Yes, our footprint is, ultimately, insignificant.

But we will not go quietly into the night. We will face the Orks and the Necrons and the Tyranids, we will stare into the very heart of Chaos, and we will say 'no.'

I liked it better when he was just a man
agreed Pious should have remained the brave guardsman who gave everything for his emperor far more of an impact
 
#23
Grunt said:
That actually reminds me of one of my favourite 40k books...have a quote.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

'The secret of whether the enemy can possible win may be the darkest secret of all,' Gavalon said, his sonorous voice becoming even more distant and ruminative.

'Darker than the secret hidden by the Golden Throne itself. Everything we know and believe, of course, tells us that the Imperium cannot possibly win in the end. In the fullness of time, the only possible victory is that of Chaos. In the fullness of time, the only possible fate for humankind is extinction. And yet the Imperium fights on - and who knows what petty victories they might win the meantime, or what the true value of those petty victories might be?'

'We who are proud to be dwellers in Gulzacandra and followers of the Changer of the Ways might say, and might even believe, that we are the heroes of the eternal struggle - but we know in our hearts that it is not true, and that the Imperium has the monopoly on heroism.'

'We fight out of choice, driven by pride and lust and fury, and everything we do hastens our own end and the end of our species. They fight for duty, driven only by faith. They know that they cannot win, but they fight on, determined to survive for another hour, another year, another century... even though they know that they cannot survive forever.'

'It is they, not us , who maintain the game and make it worth the playing, it is they not us, who are the game. The ultimate triumph of Chaos, which lies so far in the future as to be of little concern to short-lived creatures such as you and I, is absolutely certain. The ruination and destruction of all mankind is but a tiny part of that culmination.'

'The Imperial forces have nothing to fight for but a trivial postponement, and yet they fight. They have made their emperor a god, and are surely right to do so, for if anyone less than a god could ever deserve to become one, what other kind of man could it be but the emperor?'

'The imperial forces are the heroes, because they have nothing to win but a momentary eye blink in the hour of eternity, for the sake of which they have sacrificed every freedom, every thought, every hope and every pleasure. They will never know how grateful my Divine Master and those like him must be for all their sacrifices, or what the true value of their petty victories must be.'
:jawdrop:

That's beautiful :hail:. What's the name of the book that the quote is from? Whats the page number?
 

Grunt

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#24
It's from "Pawns of Chaos" , no idea what the actual page was. I just saw it quoted in a review and remembered the book. ^^;
 
#25
So Void Stalker is out in ebook format. I read it. Won't say much about it due to, you know, spoilers.

It's really neat. You all should read it.
 
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