Naruto A brainstorm

DhampyrX2

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#1
I just had a thought. Most assume the Yondaime was Naruto's father. Who his mother is is entirely up to speculation, but it's assumed she's dead. Here's a thought that just came to me. What if his mother is not dead, but still had to leave right after he was born? What if his mother was the real reason he could contain something as powerful as the Kyuubi and not go mad like Gaara, rather than the quality the seals each father used to seal the biju in question...

What if Naruto's mother was the Dai Makaichou Hild?

I leave this up for your discussion :yay:
 

GenocideHeart

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#2
If his mom was the Daimakichou, then Naruto would be a Hitoshura, and he'd have incorporated and submitted Kyuubi a long time ago, like it was some common Magatama. :sweat:

Now, Marller... THAT could work. She even has blonde hair!
 

DhampyrX2

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#3
True, but then you don't get an Urd-onnechan showing up and raising hell because of how they treated her little brother. :flameon: :lonegunman: :mmm:

Of course now I have the idea of Mara as his mother in my head too...

EDIT: Hmmm, Mara shows up to offer Arashi a wish because he's racked up such a record as a prankster and general troublemaker in his youth, on top of what he accomplished as the Yellow Flash as an adult and the chaos it created in the other hidden villages. She offers the wish, and he as a student if Jiraya and successor to Sarutobi makes a lewd joke about bedding her. Surprise surprise, the wish is approved and Naruto is born. Mara is allowed to stay until her son in born, then she is immediately recalled to Nifelheim.

The only question left to remain is who will show up to check on Naruto and when. :evil:
 

cilrais

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#4
One of the goddesses(urd) could be naruto's mother, perhaps a misworded wish that brings them together, but once naruto is born and arashi dies the goddess is forced to return.

I think the real roadblock is thinking of the reason the goddess or demoness can't get back to naruto... if the mother was urd perhaps the entire naruto plane of existence was created to house the biju, and only first class unlimited gods/goddesses are granted knowledge of it, so when urd got put on probation she forgot about it, and consequently her son.
 

GenocideHeart

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#5
DhampyrX2 said:
True, but then you don't get an Urd-onnechan showing up and raising hell because of how they treated her little brother. :flameon: :lonegunman: :mmm:

Of course now I have the idea of Mara as his mother in my head too...
The funny thing is, Marller being his mom would explain so many things. Like why he's so inhumanly tough, even without Kyuubi's chakra - if you recall, Marller wrestled grizzly bears when she was training to recover her strength and endurance... Like mother, like son, I guess.

And it'd also explain why he loves causing chaos so much. :snigger:

BTW, whenever I try to contact you on AIM, you never answer. Why?
 

DhampyrX2

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#6
Probably the sound is off on my computer sometimes, or I set it to download something on my slow ass dial-up at night and then went to sleep.

As for the idea, well this even makes the council hatred of Naruto make more sense. If they were priviledged enough to know his true origins, and I can't see some of them not knowing about the woman their leader got pregnant that seemed to come from nowhere, then they might hate him and call him demon-child for a whole different reason. :no:

Of course they might regret it when mommy comes back for a visit. :snigger:
 

GenocideHeart

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#7
If Marller EVER came back to cherck on him, I'd feel sorry for Konoha... or what'd be left of it after Marller is through with it.

She may not win Mom of the Year awards, but I'd be willing to bet that she'd trash anyone who disrespected her child, simply because they're filthy mortals, and he's HER boy. He may be weak all you want, but like Hell someone such as Marller would let a mere mortal show disrespect to her kid...
 

DhampyrX2

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#8
Just picture her first meeting with someone like Sakura. :evil:

Of course this will beg certain questions of how to incorporate other OMG characters, or if I should at all. Well, Mara (sorry I'm just used to the US version of her name) is a given. Hild will make at least guest appearances. How could I throw in Urd and her attepts at matchmaking for Naruto-kun?

Well, Ayame could earn a wish, but that's almost too easy. Still, Ayame, as a non-ninja and thus more likely to earn heavenly brownie points, earns a wish that Urd comes to grant and wishes for someone nice like Urd to watch out for Narto-kun and help him find some real happiness in his life. Swish-bang, wish approved, hello Urd the semi-official fairy godmother to her greatest enemy/rival/old friend's half mortal, jinchuuriki son. :headbanger:

Although one must wonder who will be most upset by this, Urd, Mara, or poor Naruto as he's caught in the middle. Especially if he forms a close bond with Urd before his mother arrives.

On a side note it might be funny if Jiraiya and Mara loathe one another and argue over what's best for Naruto. It could work simply enough if the old letch made the wrong pass at the wrong time and Mara cursed with something to cause his eternal hatred. Total impotence around any willing woman he hasn't paid for might work. :help:
 
#9
You could have it that Mara, or whoever couldn't interfere with Naruto's life because he had somekind of destiny he had to accomplish, maybe something like defeat Gaara or something, and no god(dess) or demon(ess) could interfere in his life until his destiny was accomplished.
 

holyknight

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#10
cilrais said:
One of the goddesses(urd) could be naruto's mother, perhaps a misworded wish that brings them together, but once naruto is born and arashi dies the goddess is forced to return.

I think the real roadblock is thinking of the reason the goddess or demoness can't get back to naruto... if the mother was urd perhaps the entire naruto plane of existence was created to house the biju, and only first class unlimited gods/goddesses are granted knowledge of it, so when urd got put on probation she forgot about it, and consequently her son.
I thought...what a good reason for why Urd couldn't return...would be what she gave restricted heavenly knowledge...meaning...the knowledge needed for the 4Th Hokage to create the Shiki Fujin...changing the fate of the Naruto world......

As she was almost mad with grief and with her sanity pending on a thin line, due to being separated of her son...Hild and Kamisama accorded to seal her memories as she asked for that, til she recovered her sanity and matured enough to don't flip off....

Now how she would remember....i had two theories.....

1:Naruto is given a wish, after the Forbidden Scroll incident, and Urd goes to give him his wish...we all know what He damm deserves that.....and he asks....to know who were his parents......Cue the ultimate force breaking the seal in Urd's memories.....

2:Naruto, in the Battle with Haku(preference of Haku as a girl) invocates the Kyuubi's chakra....

Homever...the Fox notes what suddenly something has awoken in Naruto, and is draining almost ALL his power....The Orange-Red aura around Naruto changes into a solid BLACK..and forms a cocoon around him...the fighting stops as they watch the phenomena......Gato arrives...gloats..and gets turned into shis-Kebab courtesy of the ninjas.....

A few hours later....the cocoon starts to dissipate, and someone emerges of the cocoon, someone what doesn't look much as Naruto....

Black as night feathered wings, a height of 1.70 Mt.....Darkened skin.....Golden and far less spiked Hair......and his eyes.....Crystal Red.....like blood rubies...16 years old-looking.....and his features make feel Haku(girl on this one)...and Sakura...lost in adoration and lust.......

Meanwhile in Asgard, the Ygdrassil goes into havoc...as a Demon, Class 1, Category 1, UNLIMITED......has ascended in the Narutoverse...
 

Israfel

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#11
Meanwhile in Asgard, the Ygdrassil goes into havoc...as a Demon, Class 1, Category 1, UNLIMITED......has ascended in the Narutoverse...
Hehe, they'd be flipping out because a Class 1, Category 1, UNLIMITED demon with no doublet was in the Naruto-verse, that would give them something to flip out about.
 

holyknight

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#12
Israfel said:
Meanwhile in Asgard, the Ygdrassil goes into havoc...as a Demon, Class 1, Category 1, UNLIMITED......has ascended in the Narutoverse...
Hehe, they'd be flipping out because a Class 1, Category 1, UNLIMITED demon with no doublet was in the Naruto-verse, that would give them something to flip out about.
and cue.....the Ultimate Force correcting that in some wacky way.....who would become the Divine Doublet partner of Naruto? :huh.: :huh!: :p~ :unsure!: :headbanger: :sweat:

throw your bets..the table is open!
 

DhampyrX2

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#13
If you want to write it with Urd as Naruto's mom, go for it, holyknight. I'm sticking with Mara for my version. I will say this for Urd, though. She's half kami and half demon, so that might alter what Naruto would ascend into, and I doubt he'd be anywhere NEAR a Class 1 Catergory 1 Unlimited. That would make Kyuubi look like a newborn kit in terms of power. I can't see any 11 or 13 year old (depending on how you interpret the Narutoverse) ascending to that level, Kyuubi or no.

As for a doublet partner, well the obvious choices are Sasuke-teme (wrinkles nose at the thought off agnst boy as a kami), Hinata, or possibly Sakura (I know but she could keep Naruto in line).
 

Prince Charon

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#14
DhampyrX2 said:
As for a doublet partner, well the obvious choices are Sasuke-teme (wrinkles nose at the thought off agnst boy as a kami), Hinata, or possibly Sakura (I know but she could keep Naruto in line).
I'd say Sakura, as I have rather more respect for her (as a person, though not as a ninja) than for Sasuke-teme. Also, Goddesses aren't allowed to lie, right? What if they're prevented from lieing to themselves, as well?
 

DhampyrX2

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#15
She'd go completely nuts inside of a week. I can't see Sakura, or any ninja for that matter, living without some kind of self deception to help them sleep at night. Being a paid assasin isn't conducive to a healthy and honest lifestyle.
 

Moshulel

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#16
Well, Ayame could earn a wish, but that's almost too easy. Still, Ayame, as a non-ninja and thus more likely to earn heavenly brownie points, earns a wish that Urd comes to grant and wishes for someone nice like Urd to watch out for Narto-kun and help him find some real happiness in his life. Swish-bang, wish approved, hello Urd the semi-official fairy godmother to her greatest enemy/rival/old friend's half mortal, jinchuuriki son. dho.gif
think the real roadblock is thinking of the reason the goddess or demoness can't get back to naruto... if the mother was urd perhaps the entire naruto plane of existence was created to house the biju, and only first class unlimited gods/goddesses are granted knowledge of it, so when urd got put on probation she forgot about it, and consequently her son.
These two were done before, in Ah! My Naruto.
In that fic the whole realm is created to host the bijuu, and Urd get's a wish from Naruto that's somehow similar to what Keiichi wanted.

Black as night feathered wings, a height of 1.70 Mt.....Darkened skin.....Golden and far less spiked Hair......and his eyes.....Crystal Red.....like blood rubies...16 years old-looking.....and his features make feel Haku(girl on this one)...and Sakura...lost in adoration and lust.......
Not likely, from what i know of the AMG universe classes are earned, power is what they get from ancestry, but it's limited by the system till they get to the apropiate class.

Plus, as far as i know, wings don't belong to the goddess/demoness but to the angel/demon they are paired with.


As for a doublet partner, well the obvious choices are Sasuke-teme (wrinkles nose at the thought off agnst boy as a kami), Hinata, or possibly Sakura (I know but she could keep Naruto in line).
Errr.... NO!

The doubliet system doesn't work that way!

It doesn't pair mortals with demons/gods! And Naruto is by birth a demon!

If you do want to keep a tomboy as his doubliet partner... use Skuld. :p

I can't see any 11 or 13 year old (depending on how you interpret the Narutoverse) ascending to that level, Kyuubi or no.
He could have that power at a young age, though only if it's released by the system.

Also take notice that Skuld (the only AMG character i can think of that hasn't got her powers yet) CAN use transportation via medium (water in her case) even before she gets her powers! So Naruto will be able to use a medium as well...

Also carefull about the face marks...

If you need any help with the AMG stuff, i can help you guys with that, i'm up to date with the stuff...
 

GenocideHeart

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#17
I should point out that we do not see ANY half human demons or gods in A!MG. So far, mediums and divine/demonic powers seem to be exclusively for those who are either full demons, full gods or like Urd (half and half). A mortal's body, for starters, can't handle divine power, or demonic for that matter - it was flat out stated several times.

Also, Naruto would be outside the doublet power, because any actual Goddess, no matter how weak, would dwarf him in power, and teh doublet system works by pairing up similarly gifted gods and demons... hence, unless you introduce a half-human half-God, the balance would be disrupted even MORE by having naruto with a doublet than by leaving him without one.

Naruto, in this scenario, could probably 'unleash' Kyuubi as his demon servant (the demon counterpart of an angel), but since he's not a full demon, he can probably only do it for a very limited period and only with a conscious effort.
 

DhampyrX2

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#18
Naruto, in this scenario, could probably 'unleash' Kyuubi as his demon servant (the demon counterpart of an angel), but since he's not a full demon, he can probably only do it for a very limited period and only with a conscious effort.
Assuming he could control Kyuubi at all. Worst case scenario, he could let him loose, but couln't control him beyond letting him in and out of the seal. Really I don't see Naruto using much of his demon heritage at all. Remember he's canon Naruto in the beginning anyway, so he's mostly a nice guy. It would be more about how he'd react to the new craziness in his life than about him getting too powerful.
 

GenocideHeart

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#19
DhampyrX2 said:
Assuming he could control Kyuubi at all. Worst case scenario, he could let him loose, but couln't control him beyond letting him in and out of the seal. Really I don't see Naruto using much of his demon heritage at all. Remember he's canon Naruto in the beginning anyway, so he's mostly a nice guy. It would be more about how he'd react to the new craziness in his life than about him getting too powerful.
He probably can. Keiichi is just human, but the Goddesses' influence by being near him gave him a small modicum of divine power, just enough for him to host one of Rind's angels and act in unison with it.

Granted, when he had the Demon Servant, he could not control its actual power at all, but he could still unleash and return it at will. So my guess is that a half demon probably could restrain Kyuubi, although the Kyuubi's abilities probably will run rampant whenever Kyuubi feels like it.

It'd actually be amusing if Kyuubi was willing to obey Naruto, due to his demonic heritage. Or at least, if he had him in sympathy for having to tolerate 'those arrogant human fools'.
 

Moshulel

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#20
Naruto, in this scenario, could probably 'unleash' Kyuubi as his demon servant (the demon counterpart of an angel), but since he's not a full demon, he can probably only do it for a very limited period and only with a conscious effort.
Ummm... no!

As far as i know no servant is sealed in the demon/goddess they serve, so i dont think that's possible.

Off course he could break the seal but i don't see Kyuubi as the puppy type (Unless you have the Mom having a chat or two with him. :p)

And except for Keiichi (who was forced by circumstances to become a host) all other goddesses are able to control their angels.

Also, Naruto would be outside the doublet power, because any actual Goddess, no matter how weak, would dwarf him in power, and teh doublet system works by pairing up similarly gifted gods and demons... hence, unless you introduce a half-human half-God, the balance would be disrupted even MORE by having naruto with a doublet than by leaving him without one.
Depends on the take, if Naruto is going to be a human with some demonic heritage he will most likely be left out of the system (similar to earth spirits) but if he were to take it after his mother and develop some demonic powers i doubt it.
 

GenocideHeart

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#21
Moshulel said:
Ummm... no!

As far as i know no servant is sealed in the demon/goddess they serve, so i dont think that's possible.

Off course he could break the seal but i don't see Kyuubi as the puppy type (Unless you have the Mom having a chat or two with him. :p)

And except for Keiichi (who was forced by circumstances to become a host) all other goddesses are able to control their angels.
Two corrections:

One, angels and demon servants are sealed to begin with when they are assigned to their goddess/demon. Remember Urd's egg? The seal on Noble Scarlet broke by itself when the angel had matured and Skuld was ready to use it... but before that, she broke it herself because she really wanted an Angel, if you recall. And unless I'm mistaken, she had no clue what she was doing.

So, the seal put upon Kyuubi isn't going to be a problem.

Second, WRONG. Keiichi could control the angel to the extent that he chose when to call it out or send it back in. He simply couldn't control its own use of the power, in that the Servant was eager to please him, and took all his 'wishes' literally. And note that even Belldandy was struggling to control it - remember when she tried to loosen a screw for Keiichi when he was working on the engine, and ended up dismantling it? Urd later commented that even Belldandy couldn't handle that demon, and ironically, Keiichi did a better job at it than her.

And for the record, demons and angels are normally bound to the goddess/demon they serve. Rind's angels are a special case, as she herself admitted, and that's one of the main reasons why Keiichi was able to use one of them at all.

As for teh Demon Servant, it was without master (that's why it was assigned to Welspar), so Keiichi was able to use it. But it's flaty out stated - repeatedly - that an angel and its goddess are intimatel?y connected, and teh same goes for demons and servants. Since Kyuubi is essentially becoming part of Naruto as time goes by, the intimate bond is there.

And since Naruto, in this idea, is half demon, there's no telling whether his heritage would interfere with the way the Shiki Fuujin works or not. So him using Kyuubi as his Servant is acceptable, as is Kyuubi being willing to cooperate, since he'd be the son of a fairly powerful demoness, and thus probably more important than some random human in Kyuubi's eyes.

Depends on the take, if Naruto is going to be a human with some demonic heritage he will most likely be left out of the system (similar to earth spirits) but if he were to take it after his mother and develop some demonic powers i doubt it.
Your theory is shot down by the manga itself. Velspar has been removed from the doublet system due to his punishment (Urd mentions it in passing, although it's worded vaguely), yet he still has demonic powers - at least enough to sustain a Servant - although the bulk of them were selaled.

So, apparently, if someone has demonic powers but is too weak for an appropriate doublet to be found, they are outside the doublet system.

Naruto's mortal nature itself is the biggest obstacle, anyway - the doublet system is a deep connection, if you recall its explanation - if one of the two were to die, the trauma could potentially kill the other part of the doublet. And mortals, even those with demonic heritage, don't last forever - unlike Goddesses and demons.

Unless he was made immortal by either Yggdrasil or Nidheg - which would imply ditching his mortal part forever - Naruto isn't going anywhere near a doublet with an actual Goddess. The risks are too great for the Goddess in question.

...if you actually bothered to read the fine print about the doublet system, you'd KNOW why it cannot work with a half-breed... pay more attention...
 

GenocideHeart

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#22
Oh, and one more thing: there ARE cases of beings with extreme power that are outside the doublet system. Besides Morgan Le Fay, whose power puts her already at demigod level, it is mentioned by Fujishima in an interview that both Celestin and the Lord of Terror aren't under the doublet system, despite them being respectively a god and a demonic entity.

So there are exceptions... and Naruto can well be one of those exceptions.

Besides, it all depends on what Kamisama decides to do. If he says 'no doublet', then that's what will be done. His will, after all, can even supersede the Ultimate Force. He just tends to go along with it most of the time.
 

Moshulel

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#23
One, angels and demon servants are sealed to begin with when they are assigned to their goddess/demon. Remember Urd's egg? The seal on Noble Scarlet broke by itself when the angel had matured and Skuld was ready to use it... but before that, she broke it herself because she really wanted an Angel, if you recall. And unless I'm mistaken, she had no clue what she was doing.

So, the seal put upon Kyuubi isn't going to be a problem.
Correction, the statement is not correct.

The angel presented there was sealed in a egg not inside the goddess, also normally angels are not handed to goddesses until they are ready for them.

Remember that angels/demonic servants need a host to survive while Kyuubi did fine without one. There are different mecanics at work.

Second, WRONG. Keiichi could control the angel to the extent that he chose when to call it out or send it back in. He simply couldn't control its own use of the power, in that the Servant was eager to please him, and took all his 'wishes' literally. And note that even Belldandy was struggling to control it - remember when she tried to loosen a screw for Keiichi when he was working on the engine, and ended up dismantling it? Urd later commented that even Belldandy couldn't handle that demon, and ironically, Keiichi did a better job at it than her.
False...

Until that moment Bell did quite a good job with Holly Bell. It was the fact that she had two servants that didn't fit her well.

] Oh, and one more thing: there ARE cases of beings with extreme power that are outside the doublet system. Besides Morgan Le Fay, whose power puts her already at demigod level, it is mentioned by Fujishima in an interview that both Celestin and the Lord of Terror aren't under the doublet system, despite them being respectively a god and a demonic entity.
Celestine and Morgan Le Fay are not canon material, the whole movie is NOT canon material!

As for the Lord of Terror, keep in mind that he is The Ultimate Destruction Programm.

But it's flaty out stated - repeatedly - that an angel and its goddess are intimatel?y connected, and teh same goes for demons and servants. Since Kyuubi is essentially becoming part of Naruto as time goes by, the intimate bond is there.
Not the same... while the goddesses and their angels are in perfect harmony and comunication, i doubt Naruto would agree with the Kyuubi. That if he can get in contact with it in the first place. And keep in mind A Goddess and her angel are "Two bodies with one heart"

You're also comparing servants that LIVE for that to a beast that caused only death and destruction.

Your theory is shot down by the manga itself. Velspar has been removed from the doublet system due to his punishment (Urd mentions it in passing, although it's worded vaguely), yet he still has demonic powers - at least enough to sustain a Servant - although the bulk of them were selaled.
I don't think so, keep in mind, that would leave Bell without a doubliet partner...


In fact i can see Kyuubi behaving just like TLT, who fooled Urd into releasing him.

What we saw so far about the seal, is that too much power and Naruto looses himself, so unless he's going to have a masive power-up i don't see a puppy Kyubi here.

Edit: Finally fixed.
 

GenocideHeart

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#24
Moshulel said:
Correction, the statement is not correct.

The angel presented there was sealed in a egg not inside the goddess, also normally angels are not handed to goddesses until they are ready for them.

Remember that angels/demonic servants need a host to survive while Kyuubi did fine without one. There are different mecanics at work.
Incorrect again. Angels and demonic servants do not NEED a host to live, they need ojne to use their power without burning themselves out. The demon servant could have survived just fine without a host, if all you are interested in is survival. Also, Rind's twin angels can de-attach from her and act independently, as could the demon servant.

Granted, Rind's twin angels are not standard ones, but the point stands.

False...

Until that moment Bell did quite a good job with Holly Bell. It was the fact that she had two servants that didn't fit her well.
Incorrect again. Urd states that the Demon Servant is incompatible with Belldandy, and she was trying to 'convert' it to an Angel, if you recall (that's why Welspar's fur becomes spotted with white, the Demon servant was tainted by Bell's divinity, so to speak, and had been partially angelized... or did you miss that?).

Celestine and Morgan Le Fay are not canon material, the whole movie is NOT canon material!

As for the Lord of Terror, keep in mind that he is The Ultimate Destruction Programm.
Correction again. While the OAV isn't part of the manga, Fujishima himself addressed the issue of Celestin when asked, meaning he considers him canon enough to actually talk about him.

That, and unlike most OAV, Fujishima himself created the characters in it. So he KNEW what he was doing when he made Celestin.

As for the Lord of Terror, it was a routine created directly by Nidheg. That much I can concede, however note that he does disrupts balance by bringing chaos. Heaven, however, declined to create a similar routine, so for all intents and purposes, the Lord of Terror is a massively unbalancing force that Heaven did not bother to counterbalance.

Not the same... while the goddesses and their angels are in perfect harmony and comunication, i doubt Naruto would agree with the Kyuubi. That if he can get in contact with it in the first place. And keep in mind A Goddess and her angel are "Two bodies with one heart"

You're also comparing servants that LIVE for that to a beast that caused only death and destruction.
Actually, we have no freaking idea WHY the Kyuubi did what it did, so you're assuming it had no motive. Also, demons have proved that collateral damage is a perfectly fine consequence if it means achieving their goals. They may not be evil per se, but the only reason why nobody in A!MG got killed is BECAUSE the three Goddesses were there - which, might I add, is in direct violation of the doublet system, since there's three goddesses concentrated in a single spot, and only one demon (Marller) counterbalancing them, thus imbalancing the situation towards Order, since demons pretty much only have Marller constantly stationed there. (Welspar was depowered and no longer counts)

The whole thing between Heaven and Hell is to try and get things done without upsetting the balance in a catastrophic way, hence why they have a series of rules and failsafes. You can't tell me that three goddesses living and interacting with mortals isn't an imbalance... if anything, it's Heaven that's breaking the rules.

I don't think so, keep in mind, that would leave Bell without a doubliet partner...


In fact i can see Kyuubi behaving just like TLT, who fooled Urd into releasing him.

What we saw so far about the seal, is that too much power and Naruto looses himself, so unless he's going to have a masive power-up i don't see a puppy Kyubi here.
That's why I mentioned it. Welspar is no longer a suiotable doublet for Bell, as he's been all but declassed to a Level 4 lifeform (without demonic powers). If he's still part of the doublet system, it means a mortal lifeform CAN be a goddess's doublet, which rapes your theory that only goddesses and demons can be doublets to each other. And if he isn't, then your theory is shot down as I said.

Either this is a plothole that Fujishima forgot aboput, or there are indeed exceptions to the doublet system. It's rather simple. The facts are there in teh manga for everyone to see, the only reason why Welspar can still talk and remember is because he cursed himself to do so, but for all intents and purposes, he's been declassed to common house cat, and he himself mentions his new body is quite mortal.
 

Moshulel

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#25
That's why I mentioned it. Welspar is no longer a suiotable doublet for Bell, as he's been all but declassed to a Level 4 lifeform (without demonic powers). If he's still part of the doublet system, it means a mortal lifeform CAN be a goddess's doublet, which rapes your theory that only goddesses and demons can be doublets to each other. And if he isn't, then your theory is shot down as I said.

False... Wellsper was a demon at the moment the "contract" was signed....

Incorrect again. Angels and demonic servants do not NEED a host to live, they need ojne to use their power without burning themselves out. The demon servant could have survived just fine without a host, if all you are interested in is survival. Also, Rind's twin angels can de-attach from her and act independently, as could the demon servant.

Granted, Rind's twin angels are not standard ones, but the point stands.
False... Angels use Love from goddesse as a power source... take the power source away and bye bye!

Incorrect again. Urd states that the Demon Servant is incompatible with Belldandy, and she was trying to 'convert' it to an Angel, if you recall (that's why Welspar's fur becomes spotted with white, the Demon servant was tainted by Bell's divinity, so to speak, and had been partially angelized... or did you miss that?).
Then i guess i can ignore the images about the conflict between the two servants right? :sweat:
 
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