Naruto A brainstorm

GenocideHeart

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#26
Moshulel said:
False... Wellsper was a demon at the moment the "contract" was signed....
True, but he has lost his power. The doublet system is specifically meant to keep both sides in check. You think a CAT without powers can somehow act as a counter to Belldandy?

Either balance has been upset when Welspar's power was stripped, or he was outright removed from teh doublet system. It's meant to keep balance, and without two adequate powers balancing each other, the system can't work, so Wel?spar simply CAN?T be Bell's doublet anymore. He lacks the power AND he lacks the status.

And Peorth specifically says that if the conditions of a contract aren't met anymore, the contract can become void. So just because he was a demon when he signed it, doesn't mean it stays in effect.

False... Angels use Love from goddesse as a power source... take the power source away and bye bye!
Incorrect YET AGAIN. Rind specifies that a Goddess's FEELINGS is what enables Angels to use their POWER. She never said anything about it allowing them to LIVE. She specifically refers to their ability to use magical power. There's absolutely no proof whatsoever pointing to Angels needing a Goddess to live, while there's proof (Keiichi) that even if their Goddess is disabled, they can easily pass to another, despite them being supposedly 'one heart'. That os because the Angel's will and it's master coincides... that's what ONE HEART means. But they are referred to as TWO BEINGS, meaning each is his own being.

God-less angels probably have nio will of their own, and act on pure instinct... much like the Demon Servant did. It instinctively sought out Keiichi because it felt something it liked from him.

Then i guess i can ignore the images about the conflict between the two servants right?? :sweat:
So you're saying you'd ignore Urd's statement? And Urd KNOWS what she's talking about, being in conflict herself, but able to deal with it due to her nature.
 

Moshulel

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#27
Incorrect YET AGAIN. Rind specifies that a Goddess's FEELINGS is what enables Angels to use their POWER.
Care to compare manga issues? Mine has Rind stating that angel use a goddess love as a source of power. _-_

True, but he has lost his power. The doublet system is specifically meant to keep both sides in check. You think a CAT without powers can somehow act as a counter to Belldandy?
Wellsper is not just a simple cat. I'm not going to spoil it for you if you didn't got that far in the manga.

So you're saying you'd ignore Urd's statement? And Urd KNOWS what she's talking about, being in conflict herself, but able to deal with it due to her nature.
Both statements could be true you know?
 

GenocideHeart

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#28
Moshulel said:
Incorrect YET AGAIN. Rind specifies that a Goddess's FEELINGS is what enables Angels to use their POWER.
Care to compare manga issues? Mine has Rind stating that angel use a goddess love as a source of power. _-_

True, but he has lost his power. The doublet system is specifically meant to keep both sides in check. You think a CAT without powers can somehow act as a counter to Belldandy?
Wellsper is not just a simple cat. I'm not going to spoil it for you if you didn't got that far in the manga.

So you're saying you'd ignore Urd's statement? And Urd KNOWS what she's talking about, being in conflict herself, but able to deal with it due to her nature.
Both statements could be true you know?
Sigh. Rind, in my version, states that a Goddess's feelings, especially love, are what enable an Angel to use their powers. ANY feeling will work, it's justb tyhat Love is the one that gives the most bang for the bucks.

As for Welspar, he's been stuck in a Category 4 body... only a little higher than an Earth spirit. He's not a common house cat, but he's nowhere near his former level, and he himself says his new body is mortal.

So my point stands, unless you're saying that any supernatural being can be a doublet.
 

Moshulel

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#29
So my point stands, unless you're saying that any supernatural being can be a doublet.
No... but it's quite a issue if Wellsper isn't Bell's doubliet... it would mean she's without one.
 

toraneko

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#30
Well, Mosh and GH have the argument section of this thread taken care of, so I guess I have to stay on topic. :lol:

Interesting thought. If Naruto does have A!MG-style demon and/or angel heritage, does that mean that ramen is his alternate power source? That would explain why he eats so much of the stuff.

:ideabulb: ...especially if he's got divine or infernal power, but can't go through the same channels to get it as gods/demons do!
 

DhampyrX2

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#31
The idea of Naruto getting pishogue from ramen has its merits. I'll have to think about that one.

In the meantime, I just had this thought. Ayame will get a wish that will essentially make Urd Naruto's personal guardian angel.fairy godmother to try to bring happiness into his life. Obviously this will result in disasterous matchmaking attempts and some friendship/sibling relationship type bonding.

Enter Mara who sees Urd cozying up to HER son. Now, she won't go off on a killing spree because 1.) the gods would stop her, and 2.) it would upset Naruto who she wants to build at least some kind of relationship. That doesn't mean she'll let her worst enemy/rival just influence him without any challenge.

Enter Mara's matchmaking attempts to counter/one-up Urd. Namely a few succubi, Kin, Tayuya, ...Anko. :evil:
 

GenocideHeart

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#32
DhampyrX2 said:
The idea of Naruto getting pishogue from ramen has its merits. I'll have to think about that one.

In the meantime, I just had this thought. Ayame will get a wish that will essentially make Urd Naruto's personal guardian angel.fairy godmother to try to bring happiness into his life. Obviously this will result in disasterous matchmaking attempts and some friendship/sibling relationship type bonding.

Enter Mara who sees Urd cozying up to HER son. Now, she won't go off on a killing spree because 1.) the gods would stop her, and 2.) it would upset Naruto who she wants to build at least some kind of relationship. That doesn't mean she'll let her worst enemy/rival just influence him without any challenge.

Enter Mara's matchmaking attempts to counter/one-up Urd. Namely a few succubi, Kin, Tayuya, ...Anko. :evil:
I don't recommend that Urd angle. It'd make your fic a copy of Ah! My Naruto.

Just go with Marller alone, and for once, leave the Goddesses out of the damn loop. Demons need some lovin' too.
 

DhampyrX2

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#33
Maybe, but I can still have Mara try her hand at matchmaking. Just for the image of her setting up her baby boy on a date with Anko-chan if nothing else. :p
 

holyknight

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#34
DhampyrX2 said:
Maybe, but I can still have Mara try her hand at matchmaking. Just for the image of her setting up her baby boy on a date with Anko-chan if nothing else. :p
Although...i can see Naruto in fits of horror....as the Kyuubi starts to comment how Naruto's mom is HOT(for a Demon like Kyuubi, she would be a royal catch)...along with the chain of NC-17 rated thoughts from the damm fox......... :flameon:

And what would be the "Kryptonite effect" item for Naruto....??...Dango? Flowers?....Fangirls?? :headbanger:
 

DhampyrX2

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#35
Probably some kind of music like most of the kamis and demons in O!MG. As I recall Disco makes Mara dance like a spaz, rock makes Belldanady homicidal, and polka makes Urd sleep.

Really, I'd see the Kyuubi soiling itself at the sight of someone so much higher up than it is on the food chain. It went from being top biju to whimpering puppy in terms of power in the space of one teleport from another dimension on Mara's part.

Hmmm, if you tweak music to be just sounds, maybe shy stuttering is his weakness? It makes him oblivious and stupid for set periods of time.

Poor Hinata-chan. :blue:
 

SMWhat

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#36
For some reason, I see something like this happening:

She's seen this sort of thing happen before, many times, having a half-(insert powerful being of choice) offspring. And then she's seen the whole cliche before, when the powerful being meets his/her kid again after a bunch of years and reveals his true heritage. And then the kid gets all stupid, thinks he's invincible, and gets him/herself killed by being cocky or doing something he/she shouldn't. (E.g. PhaÙton).

What if she appears, reveals that she's his mother, but doesn't reveal what she really is, instead opting to sort of "blend in"?
 

toraneko

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#37
holyknight said:
And what would be the "Kryptonite effect" item for Naruto....??...Dango? Flowers?....Fangirls?? :headbanger:
Yaoi manga.

...don't look at me like that. I know at least some of you were thinking that.

...and if you weren't before, well, you're welcome. :snigger: :ph43r:
 

toraneko

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#38
SMWhat said:
What if she appears, reveals that she's his mother, but doesn't reveal what she really is, instead opting to sort of "blend in"?
I like it. It'd create a hell of a lot of tension for the straightforward Mara to be so deceptive in a village full of ninja.

Hehe. Imagine: she loses her temper with some drunken nin who try to hit on her, and scares the piss out of 'em. Next day, they remember what happened, and point her out as "That scary devil-woman!" Cue Mara nearly having a stroke before realizing they mean it as a figure of speech.
 
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