Bleach An early end to Aizen.

[Thorn]

Kind of a simple idea.

What if at the end of the soul society arc, where Aizen thinks he's a bad ass simpmly because he took down a few already winded Shinigami, what if Urahara Kisuke showed up?

I always thought that he should've shown up and gone toe to toe with Aizen.

You've gone far enough with my Hougyoku, Aizen. I'm afraid I can't let you go any farther."

"Bathe in his blood! Benihime!"

 

[praeceps11]

You do realize that that would put a premature end to your story. That idea would probably only be a one-shot or maybe at most a two-shot unless you decide to add redicueless amounts of OCs to be the new villains.

 

[immolo]

You do realize he owned Toushiro so badly it wasn't even funny and Toushiro wasn't winded. I'm pretty usre judging by his unbreakable illusion thing that even Byakuya unwinded would get beaten. Think about it Aizen has to be stronger than all Arrancar since he is the leader and it is an anime where that is always the case. Ichigo with his Hollow got beaten by Uliquoria and Byakuya got owned so badly by Ichigo's Hollow it pretty much won the fight for Ichigo.

 

[Thorn]

You do realize he owned Toushiro so badly it wasn't even funny and Toushiro wasn't winded. I'm pretty usre judging by his unbreakable illusion thing that even Byakuya unwinded would get beaten. Think about it Aizen has to be stronger than all Arrancar since he is the leader and it is an anime where that is always the case. Ichigo with his Hollow got beaten by Uliquoria and Byakuya got owned so badly by Ichigo's Hollow it pretty much won the fight for Ichigo.

Eh. I just have a hard time believing that if all those captains there hadn't already been in battle, Aizen would've gotten owned pretty hard.

Is Toshiro the fox captain guy? If it was, it was kind of natural for him to get beat so easy. He had a bucket on his head all the until that point and was just someone we saw every now and then in a captains meeting.

I haven't seen the Arranacar arc, I just know a few things about it.

 

[knight_of_ni]

Well if you really wanted to do this fic, you could have Zaraki mysteriously achieve bankai in the middle of that confrontation, though, I don't think he was there.

Really it was a good this how things could have been resolved, and people do it often to villains in other series, but Aizen, is nothing if not calculating, he wouldn't take a chance by revealing himself as the traitor, unless he was sure that he would survive the encounter. Aizen is also the main villain so it kills the plot for him to die so soon.

 

[immolo]

You do realize he owned Toushiro so badly it wasn't even funny and Toushiro wasn't winded. I'm pretty usre judging by his unbreakable illusion thing that even Byakuya unwinded would get beaten. Think about it Aizen has to be stronger than all Arrancar since he is the leader and it is an anime where that is always the case. Ichigo with his Hollow got beaten by Uliquoria and Byakuya got owned so badly by Ichigo's Hollow it pretty much won the fight for Ichigo.

Eh. I just have a hard time believing that if all those captains there hadn't already been in battle, Aizen would've gotten owned pretty hard.

Is Toshiro the fox captain guy? If it was, it was kind of natural for him to get beat so easy. He had a bucket on his head all the until that point and was just someone we saw every now and then in a captains meeting.

I haven't seen the Arranacar arc, I just know a few things about it.

Generally he is called Hitsugaya but I didn't want to bother with the spelling.

 

[Thorn]

You do realize he owned Toushiro so badly it wasn't even funny and Toushiro wasn't winded. I'm pretty usre judging by his unbreakable illusion thing that even Byakuya unwinded would get beaten. Think about it Aizen has to be stronger than all Arrancar since he is the leader and it is an anime where that is always the case. Ichigo with his Hollow got beaten by Uliquoria and Byakuya got owned so badly by Ichigo's Hollow it pretty much won the fight for Ichigo.

Eh. I just have a hard time believing that if all those captains there hadn't already been in battle, Aizen would've gotten owned pretty hard.

Is Toshiro the fox captain guy? If it was, it was kind of natural for him to get beat so easy. He had a bucket on his head all the until that point and was just someone we saw every now and then in a captains meeting.

I haven't seen the Arranacar arc, I just know a few things about it.

Generally he is called Hitsugaya but I didn't want to bother with the spelling.

Ooooh! I'm just not used to seeing him referred to as Toushiro. Sorry. You're right. Hitsuygaya got wasted...

 

[SimmyC]

You do realize he owned Toushiro so badly it wasn't even funny and Toushiro wasn't winded. I'm pretty usre judging by his unbreakable illusion thing that even Byakuya unwinded would get beaten. Think about it Aizen has to be stronger than all Arrancar since he is the leader and it is an anime where that is always the case. Ichigo with his Hollow got beaten by Uliquoria and Byakuya got owned so badly by Ichigo's Hollow it pretty much won the fight for Ichigo.

Just because Aizen is the leader of the Arrancars, doesn't mean he is necessarily the strongest either. Granted, it's a logical assumption given that it doesn't appear that the Arrancars are necessarily united (and so a coup might have happened if it didn't). But then, if not power, you might have the 'father/son' notion. After all, it was Aizen that created the Arrancars for the most part (IIRC. There might have been Arrancars before, but he was able to make the really powerful ones). They could be indebted to him because of that. Not necessarily because he is the strongest, but because he created them.

 

[praeceps11]

Aizen could have Vizard powers because if I remember correctly the stone could just combine the powers of Shinigamis and Hollows and I don't think it was ever specified just to be able to make Arrancar. So that would make him even more powerful and give a reason why he rules the Arrancars besides giving them power, him being part Hollow and all.

 

[sigfried27]

Just because Aizen is the leader of the Arrancars, doesn't mean he is necessarily the strongest either. Granted, it's a logical assumption given that it doesn't appear that the Arrancars are necessarily united (and so a coup might have happened if it didn't). But then, if not power, you might have the 'father/son' notion. After all, it was Aizen that created the Arrancars for the most part (IIRC. There might have been Arrancars before, but he was able to make the really powerful ones). They could be indebted to him because of that. Not necessarily because he is the strongest, but because he created them.

I have seen the arguments on how Aizen can lead the Arrancar while still being less powerful then them, and some points make some sense. The only problem I have with any of this is from the scene when Grimmjaw returns after his unauthorized trip to Karakura.

Firstly, Grimmjaw seems to actually be afraid of Aizen's power. Granted, Grimmjaw is only ranked 6th, and it is something that can be misconstrued, but still, he seems to be genuinely afraid of him.

Secondly, while it is hard to really judge, it seems that at the least, the blind guy whose name I can't recall at the moment, has grown more powerful since joining with Aizen in his ordeal. Granted, it was somewhat of a surprise attack, but he seems to deal with Grimmjaw fairly easily and cuts off his arm, as opposed to before when he couldn't beat Kenpachi in a two on 1 fight. If he has grown more powerful, then it is likely that Gin and Aizen have as well.

 

[immolo]

Oh there is also the whole thing in anime where the main antagonist is generally the strongest, and since Aizen is the main antagonist that would generally make him the strongest.

 

[trevelyan1983]

Technically, Aizen doesn't absolutely have to be stronger than the Arrancar - he just needs them to think he is.

However, I cannot believe for even a moment that Aizen would be stupid enough to raise the power levels of his subordinates to dwarf his own - that way lies betrayal and ignominous slaughter. Especially when you've already betrayed one set of benefactors.

After all, if your boys betray the enemy, they'll betray you as soon as you put a foot wrong, ne? :sisi:

 

[SimmyC]

Well, I never said Aizen can't be the most powerful. And so far, at least his subordinates think, he is the most powerful.

However, doesn't mean he is so out of reach that the others can't 'foolishly' take him on. That being said, I would honestly be surprised that he would be weaker than them, or merely equal. I just threw out that you can't say he is the most powerful given that we, really haven't seen him much of his power after he left Soul Society.

 

[ttestagr]

First of all, the idea in the first post is impossible as is. Urahara can't enter Soul Society at all. Also, there were at least 3 captains present at the end who are stronger than he is: Jyushiro, Shunsui, and Genryusai.

As for Byakuya, after going all out against Ichigo and with the massive injuries he got in that fight, he was still able to outpace Gin's Shinsou and snatch Rukia from Aizen's grasp before she was hit. In perfect condition, I would put Byakuya equal in ability to Aizen even though he's much younger.

 

[immolo]

Except he would never hit Aizen since he wouldn't know where Aizen was becuase of the perfect illusion that can trick every sense even reiutsu sensing. For example what Aizen did against Hitsugaya. I also don't beleive Aizen was really trying since he was positive of his own power. Also inhis fight against Sajin Komamura he does the same thing again kicks his ass with the black coffin attack. If your right about Byakuya than the Final Boss in the entire series would get easily beaten by Ichigo since Byakuya got his ass handed to him by Ichigo's hollow form which he now has a limited control over. Just think about how stupid that sentence sounds since I have already said the equivalent like 3 times.

 

[trevelyan1983]

Except he would never hit Aizen since he wouldn't know where Aizen was becuase of the perfect illusion that can trick every sense even reiutsu sensing. For example what Aizen did against Hitsugaya. I also don't beleive Aizen was really trying since he was positive of his own power. Also inhis fight against Sajin Komamura he does the same thing again kicks his ass with the black coffin attack. If your right about Byakuya than the Final Boss in the entire series would get easily beaten by Ichigo since Byakuya got his ass handed to him by Ichigo's hollow form which he now has a limited control over. Just think about how stupid that sentence sounds since I have already said the equivalent like 3 times.

Immolo, this isn't a computer game. Nor is it a friendly round of Rock/Paper/Scissors. Combat potential and ability are not measured in 'A beat B, and C beat A, so C is stronger than B.'

Ichigo nailed Byakuya because he surprised him with his Hollow abilities. Hollow Ichigo could probably get in a good hit against Aizen for the very same reason - namely, Aizen wouldn't be expecting it.

However, that does not mean that Ichigo is stronger than Byakuya or Aizen - they dwarf him in experience, technical expertise, in zanpakuto mastery, Kidou ability and in control of their powers. All Ichigo has going for him is his insane Reiatsu levels and his learning curve - and in time, that might prove to be more than enough.

As for Byakuya taking on Aizen - if Aizen is standing within a fifty foot radius of Byakuya, he's going to die. There's no illusion that will protect anyone from ten thousand tiny blades cutting them into mincemeat. Ganjyu stated that Byakuya's Reiatsu was above even Kenpachi's, he regularly pulls kidou out of his ass without incantions, he's almost on Yoruichi's level when it comes to Shyunpo - he's a monster, and one that no sane man would take on unless, as here, he was already exhausted and wounded.

As far as the story idea - well, Ttestagr poked a pretty big hole in it, in that Urahara's not arriving any time soon. It's also a pretty abrupt ending to a rather impressive bad guy - but if that can be worked around, I'd give it a read, certainly.

 

[ttestagr]

To be fair, what Ganjyuu felt was Byakuya actually using his reiatsu as a weapon in order to intimidate them. Kenpachi was keeping his down so he could have a good fight. Kenpachi has the highest Reiatsu in SS period. Even Yamamoto can seal his zanpakutou while Kenpachi's reiatsu is too high to do so.

 

[trevelyan1983]

To be fair, what Ganjyuu felt was Byakuya actually using his reiatsu as a weapon in order to intimidate them. Kenpachi was keeping his down so he could have a good fight. Kenpachi has the highest Reiatsu in SS period. Even Yamamoto can seal his zanpakutou while Kenpachi's reiatsu is too high to do so.

OK. Trying to judge Kenpachi's strength is an almost impossible task, so I guess I'll admit defeat. I have to say, though, that I have a hard time believing that Kenpachi has more reiatsu that Yamamoto.

Meh. It hardly matters - without bankai, even Kenpachi is fucked against Yama-ji.

 

[warai_kitsune]

The thing you have to remember about the Hitsugaya/Aizen fight is that even if Hitsugaya's crazy powerful and in perfect condition, he has NO way of knowing where he's striking. So he might not necessarily be stronger than all the captains, but we do know that he's probably going to beat them. In perfect condition, I think Kenpachi could have beaten him for the same reason he was able to beat Tousen (the blind guy). He had no way of knowing where Tousen was, but he still managed to get him close enough to seriously fuck him up. Also, since Aizen's Shikai is outright stated to not let him strike from a distance, it means that he'd HAVE to get within Kenny's sword-range. Besides, I seriously doubt that Aizen would have waited around for so many of the captains to beat themselves to a pulp if he could just casually pwn all of them.

 

[zeebee1]

Tousen lost because Zaraki predicted where the sword strikes by feeling the air pressure. He won through skill. But if Aizen could fool Zaraki's sense of touch he would win.

 

[Hedgehog's Roommate]

No he beat Tousen because he allowed himself to get cut. Every time Tousen started a cut Kenny would shift slightly allowing himself only minor injury. Then he used his knowledge of the angle of attack and length of the blade to guess where Tousen was. To stop that Aizen would need to block not only sense of touch but pain receptors as well. Even then the body reacts automatically to certain stimuli. So he still might be able to fight.

Kenny is just a very scary guy. :evil2:

I'm not saying Kenny would pwn Aizen. I just think he might actually have a chance. Which considerring Kenny that might be all he really needs.

My $0.02, take it for what you will

 

[sigfried27]

you have to remember though that we are assuming how Aizen would do in a fight with only his shikai. I'm pretty sure that Aizen would have his bankai as well, and we have no idea what that might do. So any assumptions that we make at this point are on only a portion of his abilities.

 

[ttestagr]

It is a pretty big assuptiom to say that Aizen even has a bankai. The shikai that he showed to the rest of SS was a fake, the bankai he would have shown to become captain would have been as well.

 

[praeceps11]

It is a pretty big assuptiom to say that Aizen even has a bankai. The shikai that he showed to the rest of SS was a fake, the bankai he would have shown to become captain would have been as well.

Ya but he said that he had reached the highest a shinigami can get and that is why he wanted the stone. So of course he has bankai.

 

[ttestagr]

The only abilities that had a limit that Aizen mentioned were Zanjutsu, Hakuda, Hohou, and Kidou. He did not mention bankai at all. Also, it is incredibly rare for a shinigami to have the potential to achieve bankai. One or two per generation I believe it was said. It makes sense to me that the reason Aizen pushed himself to reach the limits of the shinigami arts and then go further would be because he just doesn't have the ability for bankai.