Naruto Backdraft

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#1
Because it's a decent idea that can branch out into several good stories that I may not want to write, here's the basic idea of Backdraft.

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Backdraft

There can only be one King in the sovereignty of a man's heart. Like many things, nobody ever told this to Naruto.

"Sensei?"

Kakashi looked up from his book. Uchiha Sasuke stood in front of him, bandages still peeking out from his clothes from the beating he had received at the bridge. A mildly questioning look adorned his face.

"Aa?"

Sasuke slumped against the outside wall of the bridgebuilder's house next to Kakashi. He had just woken up from his false death mere hours ago on the bridge, and strictly speaking shouldn't even be moving yet. He'd live though.

The boy sat there a few seconds, questions fleeting across his dark eyes. Kakashi patiently turned a page, reading his book and Sasuke's face simultaneously, with about the same ease.

"I just..." the young boy started. He clinched his eyes shut. "How did Naruto beat him?"

There was anguish in that voice. Curiosity. Self-reproachment.

"After everything... even with the Sharingan..."

"The boy still beat you?"

Sasuke shook his head, being uncommonly open. It may have been the exhaustion, the emotional turmoil, or even the fact that his teammates were out like logs inside the building.

"He didn't really beat me. I... do you know how I went down, sensei?"

Kakashi blinked at the evasive question. "With needles, I would presume."

He recieved a carefully blank look. "The needles were aimed at Naruto."

Kakashi snapped his book shut. "Are you wanting to know how Naruto beat the boy, Sasuke... or why you took that hit?"

Sasuke looked away. "Both." he muttered under his breath.

Smiling through his mask, Kakashi asked "Thankfully, they are rooted in the same reason... so to speak. What do you know of the Will of Fire, Sasuke?"

Sasuke's face fell at the sudden history question. "It was the philosphy the Shodaime Hokage led his life and Konoha by."

"Do you happen to know what the actual philosphy is?"

Most genin, Kakashi knew, wouldn't. This was something parents, or commanders, eventually revealed to their students, generally when they became chuunin leaders.

"No, it was never brought up, and I never looked into it."

"The Will of Fire is what keeps a shinobi going when all odds are against them. The Will to never say no, the Will to never falter in their duty to the village... the Will to protect the King."

"The King?" Sasuke managed.

"The person who is what a shinobi fights for, whom they bleed and train for... whom they would give everything to protect."

Sasuke's face blanched amusingly fast at the implication that the dead-last was his "King."

"For some people, the King is a person. Others, an ideal. But for every Konoha ninja, be they trapped in a trench or doing a D-rank, they push on. They never stop fighting the odds, because to do so is to forsake everything they've ever fought for, their family, their friends, their village.... and their King. The Sandaime Hokage himself believes that the Will of Fire has carried Konoha to victory over the other villages many times."

Kakashi fixed Sasuke with a stern look. "The Sandaime used to be known as the God of Ninja for his prowess on the battlefield... but before that, he was known simply as The Professor for his all-encompasing knowledge. When he speaks, even other nations listen, no matter how grudgingly. It's because he knows that for every name on the Memorial Stone, somewhere there's a mission in the archives marked Complete instead of Failure. That for every inch of the Land of Fire, a Konoha ninja has watered the leaves with their blood and sweat... and sometimes their corpses."

"Sasuke, who do you think Naruto's King is?"

Sasuke looked distinctly poleaxed and the rapid change in conversation. "...Me?"

The poor genin looked desperate for Kakashi to shake his head no, probably thinking, like most genin did, that the whole thing sounded rather gay, in the same way that Gai was 'rather' youthful.

Kakashi shook his head, motioning for him to continue. "The Sandaime?" They had seemed close and all, what with Naruto calling him gramps...

"Nope."

"...Team 7?"

"Not at all, Sasuke. You're thinking far too narrowly. Naruto's stated ambition is to be the Hokage. How serious do you think he is about that?"

A snort answered that question.

"He's deadly serious, Sasuke. He doesn't know of the Will of Fire yet, but that doesn't mean one's will can't burn. Despite all that's happened to him in life... his King will be this."

Kakashi reached forward and tapped the left side of Sasuke's forehead, right next to the Konoha symbol.

Sasuke swallowed thickly at the tap to the forehead.

"The entire village of Konohagakure. That will be his King, and that's how he beat Haku."

Kakashi sighed slightly. "It's something spoken of not entirely seriously- most believe it to be a legend. It's called Overburn. When your King is directly threatened, and you're backed into a wall, when you you rage in the face of fate, when your Will burns with the intensity of the sun, a Konoha shinobi can defeat a god."

Sasuke, whose eyes had been wide and face pale, suddenly seemed to snap back to himself at the rediculous notion and opened his mouth to protest.

"The last person I saw go into Overburn went one on one with the Nine Tailed Demon Fox and emerged victorious, because his wife and unborn child were threatened by its rampage."

Sasuke's mouth slammed shut.

"Naruto has powerful chakra, and a will tempered through hardship. He only has a few Kings right now, but someday he'll have the entire village. And it's because he gives all of himself for his Kings, without a second thought.... or even a first. They come before him. When Haku took you down, it was like a bomb went off on the bridge, Sasuke. Naruto's Will burned so hard, so fast, that I think he may have shot clear past Overburn. Haku's mirrors shattered from the sheer force of Naruto's will alone."

Kakshi pinned Sasuke with a look. "He gives everything for his Kings. Who is your King, Sasuke?"

With that, Kakashi left the quiet boy to his thoughts.

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The different possible branches: Kyuubi wasn't sealed in naruto, kakashi is telling the truth, and naruto is a walking superweapon of will. Kakashi is lying and covering things up, but the sentiment is true all the same. The talk affects Sasuke in a profound way, leading him to try and find his King. The talk affects him negatively, and he declares vengenace as his King and falls to darkness even faster.

etc etc.
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#2
The concept has a lot of potential

Could be awesome.
 
#3
remove the "Overburn". I mean, don't have it have a name.
 

mortalone

Well-Known Member
#4
I like the concept. This could potentially produce a Sasuke-centric fic that I'd actually enjoy where Sasuke is constantly be pulled back and forth between "good" and "evil." For example, Sasuke could potentially discover Kakashi's lie and find out that Naruto contains the Kyuubi, only to discover a level of power he's never known when acting in Naruto's defense, or some such.
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#5
Protecting Naruto isn't Sasuke's 'fire.' It's just one factor.
 

Masterly

Well-Known Member
#6
I like the idea, and if done right it could produce a really cool story. I agree with ankokudaishogun though, explicitly calling it Overburn felt out of place.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
#7
eeeh...

I feel like this is building towards "perfect revenge story", rather than "preemptively redeeming Sasuke" or whatever.

Choosing to live for the sake of Konoha instead of avenging a genocide, only to find out it was the institution of "Konoha" that was truly responsible, that betrayed the "will of fire"... that's got that symmetry that pushes Sasuke into "Gatts" or "Ogami Itto" revenge territory, you know?

Also wasn't that King talk a metaphor that Asuma picked to explain the "will of fire" to Shikamaru because they happened to be playing Shogi when the topic came up? It seemed odd that Kakashi would pick the same metaphor; I would change that.
 

nixofcyzerra

Well-Known Member
#8
daniel_gudman said:
eeeh...

I feel like this is building towards "perfect revenge story", rather than "preemptively redeeming Sasuke" or whatever.

Choosing to live for the sake of Konoha instead of avenging a genocide, only to find out it was the institution of "Konoha" that was truly responsible, that betrayed the "will of fire"... that's got that symmetry that pushes Sasuke into "Gatts" or "Ogami Itto" revenge territory, you know?

Also wasn't that King talk a metaphor that Asuma picked to explain the "will of fire" to Shikamaru because they happened to be playing Shogi when the topic came up? It seemed odd that Kakashi would pick the same metaphor; I would change that.
Didn't recent chapters prove that Danzo pushed Itachi into doing it, and Sarutobi wasn't involved at all?
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
#9
So the Supreme Military Commander is blameless when the military commits genocide?

Even if they were rogue elements, ultimately, they were still his responsibility, right?
 

datakim

Well-Known Member
#10
daniel_gudman said:
So the Supreme Military Commander is blameless when the military commits genocide?

Even if they were rogue elements, ultimately, they were still his responsibility, right?
I don't see why anyone but Danzo would be blamed. Claiming that Sarutobi is responsible is like saying that if a general in a military orders his troops to avoid civilian casualties, and some rookie then murders a civilian, the general should be executed, even if he had nothing to do with the crime, had actually given orders that it was not to be done and was also utterly unaware of it at the time.

No one in Konoha can be blamed for the massacre except Danzo, since Danzo was the ONLY one who arranged it and even knew about it. When it comes to Sarutobi, the best you could say is that he should have had Danzo executed for going against his orders after he learned the truth about Danzos involvement, but even that was arguably explained in the flashback by giving Danzo Shisuis sharingan which is capable of complete mind-control and could easily have been used by Danzo to force Sarutobi to let him be.

Thats why I always find it strange that people blame the entirety of Konoha for what happened, and why Sasukes insane desire for vengeance by destroying Konoha seems like total madness. Konoha did absolutely nothing to his clan. Danzo ordered Itachi to do it behind the backs of everyone, and Itachi then did it without assistance from anyone else in Konoha. That means that literally 99.9999...9% of the people in Konoha are not just innocent, but don't even KNOW the truth about what happened.
 
#11
datakim said:
Thats why I always find it strange that people blame the entirety of Konoha for what happened, and why Sasukes insane desire for vengeance by destroying Konoha seems like total madness. Konoha did absolutely nothing to his clan. Danzo ordered Itachi to do it behind the backs of everyone, and Itachi then did it without assistance from anyone else in Konoha. That means that literally 99.9999...9% of the people in Konoha are not just innocent, but don't even KNOW the truth about what happened.
actually, until Itachi's sharinga-induced flashback, Sasuke didn't know Danzo was working against the Hokage's will.
As far as Sasuke did know, his clan was killed because official Konoha orders.
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#12
Danzo wasn't responsible for the massacre. He convinced Itachi through words that no one acted Sarutobi would. And that Sarutobi would not leave Sasuke alive. So you could argue it is Itachi's lack of faith in the hokage that lead to the massacre.
 
#13
zeebee1 said:
Danzo wasn't responsible for the massacre. He convinced Itachi through words that no one acted Sarutobi would. And that Sarutobi would not leave Sasuke alive. So you could argue it is Itachi's lack of faith in the hokage that lead to the massacre.
Yep. Why do you think Sasuke was that messed up(again) by Itachi's forced flashback?
Though we must wonder if Danzo already had Shisui's eye... he might have "helped" Itachi in deciding.
 

Amberion

Well-Known Member
#14
zeebee1 said:
Danzo wasn't responsible for the massacre. He convinced Itachi through words that no one acted Sarutobi would. And that Sarutobi would not leave Sasuke alive. So you could argue it is Itachi's lack of faith in the hokage that lead to the massacre.
No, what lead to it was that the Uchihas pretty much said, agree to this, or we will attack.
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#15
That would still absolve Danzo of guilt. He didn't cause the Uchiha to make those demands.
 

datakim

Well-Known Member
#17
ankokudaishogun said:
actually, until Itachi's sharinga-induced flashback, Sasuke didn't know Danzo was working against the Hokage's will.
As far as Sasuke did know, his clan was killed because official Konoha orders.
Actually, when we first learn the truth about Itachi, Tobi explicitly says that the hokage wanted a peacefull solution. So yes, Sasuke knew right from the start that it was not an official mission.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
#18
Well, at least we can take comfort in that, all of the Uchiha are less dead because it wasn't an officially sanctioned mission.

wait
 

datakim

Well-Known Member
#19
daniel_gudman said:
Well, at least we can take comfort in that, all of the Uchiha are less dead because it wasn't an officially sanctioned mission.

wait
The point is that it was an illegal mission done without the knowledge or approval of the proper authorities. That means that the blame lies solely on the ones who committed the crime and not the village as a whole. Danzo and Itachi are fully responsible for the massacre and killing all the Uchiha. Konoha as a village is innocent of the massacre since neither the people(villagers), or the leader(hokage) supported it.

And since both Danzo and Itachi are already dead, Sasuke has no more reason to seek justice/revenge. If he kills anyone from Konoha now, it will not be vengeance but pure murder of an innocent.
 
#20
datakim said:
ankokudaishogun said:
actually, until Itachi's sharinga-induced flashback, Sasuke didn't know Danzo was working against the Hokage's will.
As far as Sasuke did know, his clan was killed because official Konoha orders.
Actually, when we first learn the truth about Itachi, Tobi explicitly says that the hokage wanted a peacefull solution. So yes, Sasuke knew right from the start that it was not an official mission.
Actually, Tobi said Sarutobi did know what was happening, Itachi did even plead him to keep Sasuke safe and unaware of the truth.
Everything Tobi said to Sasuke made it look like it was an (un)officially sanctioned mission for the Village.
 

Wildfeather

Well-Known Member
#21
Something else to think about, Tobi=Obito means that Obito hated his clan so much that he helped to kill them ALL, even very likely his own parents and any other close relatives. It made sense for Madara, who would have been emotionally distant from them anyway, because he didn't know them and they are the children of those who betrayed him. How did Obito get the same way?
 

mortalone

Well-Known Member
#22
How did Obito get from being a barely average chuunin (if that), to stronger than the Yondaime in about one years time?
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#23
mortalone said:
How did Obito get from being a barely average chuunin (if that), to stronger than the Yondaime in about one years time?
Strange things happen when you fall through a plot hole.
 
#24
to be fair, Tobi isn't that strong... he just has ONE horribly overpowered jutsu. And can spam it likely thanks the Senju dna Madara infused him with.
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#25
If he wasn't that strong then his defense would mean nothing. He has the power to back it up.
 
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