Naruto Battles You Wanted To See

datakim

Well-Known Member
#26
ankokudaishogun said:
And I'm imagining Kabuto summoning Jiraiya only for him to dispel the Control Seal like Madara did. Because _JIRAIYA_ is the sennin actually good at seals, Orochimaru is apparently relatively mediocre(and Tsunade probably is an expert only in medical-related seals, if any)
I don't think it works that way. Madara was able to break free of Kabutos control because the technique had been released and everyone had regained full control of their bodies. Before that, Madara could not cancel the technique, because Kabuto was controlling him and preventing him from performing the cancel technique.

So ironically, by undoing Edo Tensei and giving every zombie brief freedom, Itachi saved Tsunade (by freeing Dan to go help her) but also fully released Madara from all control.

Presumably thats why Tobirama who INVENTED the damn technique did not just release himself (either time). Orochimaru controlled him fully so he could not perform the seals. The same would remain true for Jiraiya. Well, I suppose Jiraiya might know how to remain behind if he had a reason to (Tobirama presumably could have aswell). But none of them could just blatantly break free outright.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#27
Well, that's not quite the entire story. The only reason Tobirama did not break free the first time Orochimaru summoned him was because he was not summoned at anywhere near his full power. The second time he was summoned at his full power, he fully believed himself to be able to break free with pure brute force, and the only reason he could not is because Orochimaru took over a Zetsu's body and somehow used Hashirama's cells to increase the restraining power of the zombie jutsu. And Hashirama at full power couldn't be controlled at all even with a Mokuton enhanced Edo Tensei and willingly stayed to lecture Sasuke.

(Why the heck are Hashirama's cells capable of doing that??? Mokuton can restrain not only bijuu, but also reanimated souls? Is there anything Hashirama can't do?)

Not that that would change Jiraiya's situation since it's likely still Orochimaru or Kabuto summoning him in this case and both of them have implanted Hashirama's cells into their bodies, and I don't see Jiraiya being stronger than Tobirama...

...Wait, has Kabuto actually implanted Hashirama's cells into his body? He implied he used Hashirama's cells to save Sasuke and Madara couldn't break free from his Edo Tensei. But he's never directly stated he did and he's never used Mokuton.
 
#28
Apparently not. He was probably planning on it after he got his handa on Yamato and the Zetsus and after some tests to avoid to be overrun by them like Danzō almost did.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#29
That's a bit strange then. If Tobirama could have broken free from a non-Mokuton boosted Edo Tensei, then Madara should have been able to also. Did Kabuto improve on Orochimaru's control seals that much that he didn't need Mokuton to control such powerful zombies, whereas Orochimaru did?

And seriously, why does Mokuton increase the restraining power of Edo Tensei? That's so random.
 
#30
It's possible. Also, Kabuto had quite the boost compared to "baseline" Orochimaru, as he was at that point strong enough to use Sage Mode so there is that, too.

And I don't think Mokuto increase the restraining power of Edo Tensei, as much as Hashirama's cells giving people a complete boost in everything, Chakra Strength included.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#31
Hashirama vs the First Kages

The battle that could have killed Hashirama and sparked the First Great Shinobi War. The Kage Summit once resulting in the death of the God of Shinobi, whether it was an ambush or if things devolved terribly, would be pretty historic and provides a relatively acceptable answer for Hashirama's cause of death.

Third Hokage vs Third Raikage vs Third Kazekage

The three who are believed to have been the strongest Kages of their village (even if it's because Hashirama's strength had become a myth) in a battle royale, probably during the Second Great Shinobi War. Even if it wasn't shown, knowing that such a battle had happened would have been cool. I'd include the Third Tsuchikage who probably is the strongest they've had but the Third Mizukage is a total mystery while the Fourth seems more likely as a perfect Jinchuuriki.

Jiraiya vs Itachi and Kisame

Expanding on the canon battle where there's an actual skirmish, even if it's just a few more jutsu being slung around.

Sasuke, Suigetsu and Juugo vs Kages

Expanding on the canon battle, Suigetsu and Juugo should be more capable of contending with kage-level opponents. Sasuke has a lengthy rematch with Gaara, Juugo brawls with A and Suigetsu faces off against Mei.

Onoki just chills while keeping an eye of Danzo or something.

Kurotsuchi vs Edo-Deidara/Darui vs Edo-Kakuzu/Chojiro vs Edo-Mangetsu

Three battles during the Fourth Great Shinobi War to show that these individuals are capable of becoming the Kage of their villages. Kurotsuchi and Chojiro never had a fight of their own; the former can capitalise on her history with Deidara, the latter can defeat presumably the strongest of the old generation of Swordsmen and both deal with traitors to their villages. And Darui gets a fight that relies on his actual skill and power instead of the gimmicks of the Treasured Tools

Hanzo vs Tsunade

There's a history betweem Hanzo defeat and named the Sannin, and Tsunade has a reputation for creating antidotes to all kinds of poisons according to Chiyo. Despite her age Tsunade should be a lot stronger than she had once been in her youth thanks to the Strength of a Hundred Seal and its jutsu so she could him on without her teammates unlike before. She would actually be a lot more effective in showing how Hanzo had changed in the years since she was someone who'd fought him at his best.

And Tsunade would have had an actual one-on-one fight in Part 2 instead of only being a teammate for the Madara battle which they all lost anyway.

Mei vs Gengetsu

Instead of Gaara taking on two Kages, Mei gets to fight and surpass her predecessor just like how he had defeat his own. In canon, she remained the least developed and least impressive of the Five Kage.

Jinchuuriki vs Akatsuki
 

nixofcyzerra

Well-Known Member
#32
I would have liked to see Raikiri vs Kirin, just to see if the hype about the Lightning Cutter was true.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#33
And to see Kirin more than once in the entire manga.

That could have easily gone down after the Kage Summit, to be honest. Just have Sasuke set up the conditions (i.e. Fire/Blaze Release to create storm clouds) while he was fighting Danzo and then he could have used it against Team Seven later since it's designed to need only a small amount of chakra.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#34
I know it wasn't possible to see because Orochimaru stealing Rasa's identity was a big plot twist reveal, but I really would have liked to see Orochimaru and Kimimaro assassinate the Fourth Kazekage and his elite bodyguards.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#35
Kakashi vs Konan

Tsunade's strength is worthless against a woman made of paper so a fight between those two would be drawn out and futile. But the ninjutsu-oriented Kakashi has a lot more options to deal with her and is really the only other person in the village capable of doing so during the Pain Invasion. It would have been nice to have Kakashi have a one-on-one against someone aside from Obito in Part 2.

Tsunade vs Hidan

Maybe Hidan and Kakuzu get all the way to Konoha instead of being intercepted? Her medical ninjutsu and regeneration would be a solid counter to his curse jutsu for as long as she can maintain it and as fellow CQC specialist, perhaps Hidan would have had the chance to show off a lot more tricks than he did while she wails on him.

Hashirama vs Kakuzu

It could have been pretty cool seeing Kakuzu get curbstomped by the First Hokage.
 

seitora

Well-Known Member
#36
Minato vs. Not-Sick Itachi
 

seitora

Well-Known Member
#38
Tobirama without the plot requiring his death vs. literally just about anything

Guy created Shadow Clones, Edo Tensei and Flying Thunder God? C'MON! I'm still genuinely surprised there isn't a 'Zombie Tobirama travels back in time because he just happened to have a jutsu he made for that purpose' fic yet
 
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