Harry Potter Blood wards

[Chuckg]

Just a cracky thought that crossed my brain at random:

Dumbledore: "But the Blood Wards! They will keep Harry safe!"

Sirius: "Safe from Voldemort, but not from his own relatives! They starve and abuse him regularly! They even tried to hit him with a frying pan! And the emotional abuse is even worse!"

Dumbledore: "As long as Harry lives under the same roof as a blood relative, until he is seventeen, he is absolutely unlocateable or attackable by the Death Eaters. I'm sorry, Sirius, but its for the Greater Good."

Sirius: "Well I think you can shove your Greater Good right up..." *light bulb dawns* "... I'm sorry, Albus, I just get so upset sometimes. I'm... going to go take a walk."

Dumbledore: "I'm glad you see it my way, Sirius."

Sirius (thought balloon): The only thing I see, you old goat fucker, is that you just told me that Harry only has to stay in that hellhole as long as Petunia and Dudley Dursley are still alive. Now, how do I pull this off without going back to Azkaban?

 

[Prince Charon]

Just a cracky thought that crossed my brain at random:

Dumbledore: "But the Blood Wards! They will keep Harry safe!"

Sirius: "Safe from Voldemort, but not from his own relatives! They starve and abuse him regularly! They even tried to hit him with a frying pan! And the emotional abuse is even worse!"

Dumbledore: "As long as Harry lives under the same roof as a blood relative, until he is seventeen, he is absolutely unlocateable or attackable by the Death Eaters. I'm sorry, Sirius, but its for the Greater Good."

Sirius: "Well I think you can shove your Greater Good right up..." *light bulb dawns* "... I'm sorry, Albus, I just get so upset sometimes. I'm... going to go take a walk."

Dumbledore: "I'm glad you see it my way, Sirius."

Sirius (thought balloon): The only thing I see, you old goat fucker, is that you just told me that Harry only has to stay in that hellhole as long as Petunia and Dudley Dursley are still alive. Now, how do I pull this off without going back to Azkaban?

Depending on just how bad the Dursleys are in that 'verse, I might not blame him.

What do you do when the authority who's supposed to keep you safe, is the one putting you in danger?

 

[Rakhasa]

Depending on just how bad the Dursleys are in that 'verse, I might not blame him.

With just the canon it would be perfectly justifiable to keep Petunia in a dungeon under Grimmauld Place being fed some grule once a day.

 

[Mercsenary]

Just a cracky thought that crossed my brain at random:

Dumbledore: "But the Blood Wards!? They will keep Harry safe!"

Sirius: "Safe from Voldemort, but not from his own relatives!? They starve and abuse him regularly!? They even tried to hit him with a frying pan!? And the emotional abuse is even worse!"

Dumbledore: "As long as Harry lives under the same roof as a blood relative, until he is seventeen, he is absolutely unlocateable or attackable by the Death Eaters.? I'm sorry, Sirius, but its for the Greater Good."

Sirius: "Well I think you can shove your Greater Good right up..."? *light bulb dawns*? "... I'm sorry, Albus, I just get so upset sometimes.? I'm... going to go take a walk."

Dumbledore: "I'm glad you see it my way, Sirius."

Sirius (thought balloon): The only thing I see, you old goat fucker, is that you just told me that Harry only has to stay in that hellhole as long as Petunia and Dudley Dursley are still alive.? Now, how do I pull this off without going back to Azkaban?

Depending on just how bad the Dursleys are in that 'verse, I might not blame him.

What do you do when the authority who's supposed to keep you safe, is the one putting you in danger?

Revolt.

 

[Prince Charon]

Just a cracky thought that crossed my brain at random:

Dumbledore: "But the Blood Wards!á They will keep Harry safe!"

Sirius: "Safe from Voldemort, but not from his own relatives!á They starve and abuse him regularly!á They even tried to hit him with a frying pan!á? And the emotional abuse is even worse!"

Dumbledore: "As long as Harry lives under the same roof as a blood relative, until he is seventeen, he is absolutely unlocateable or attackable by the Death Eaters.á I'm sorry, Sirius, but its for the Greater Good."

Sirius: "Well I think you can shove your Greater Good right up..."á *light bulb dawns*á "... I'm sorry, Albus, I just get so upset sometimes.á? I'm... going to go take a walk."

Dumbledore: "I'm glad you see it my way, Sirius."

Sirius (thought balloon): The only thing I see, you old goat fucker, is that you just told me that Harry only has to stay in that hellhole as long as Petunia and Dudley Dursley are still alive.á? Now, how do I pull this off without going back to Azkaban?

Depending on just how bad the Dursleys are in that 'verse, I might not blame him.

What do you do when the authority who's supposed to keep you safe, is the one putting you in danger?

Revolt.

Exactly.

 

[Takerial]

Another Dursley bashing fic with Sirius coming to the rescue.

Yay.

 

[wingthesword]

Really? There are a lot of those? I can't remember reading one. I mean sure I've met some where it's Dumbledore's fault and Harry try's to get free of him but I don't remember any with Sirius coming to the rescue.

 

[Chuckg]

I've read, like, one 'Sirius rescues Harry from the Dursleys' fic, and I can't even remember its title now, it was that forgettable. (I've read several 'Sirius/Remus/etc raise Harry' fics, but the divergence point on those is generally set so that he never went to the Dursleys at all.)

And really, the plot bunny that attacked me was about 'the blood wards crap only works as long as Petunia and Dudley are still around'. Sirius is the most likely candidate to want to tie them to large rocks and throw them to the giant squid for Harry's benefit, but not the only one.

Granted, it occurs to me that for a less murderous approach, he could simply go 'Here's a million dollars in gold, on the proviso that you take your family and move somewhere thousands of miles away and never go near Harry Potter or Privet Drive again'. Vernon would need about .02 seconds to accept this offer.

 

[wingthesword]

Wouldn't he prefer pounds?

 

[Prince Charon]

Wouldn't he prefer pounds?

Probably. Dollars are foreign, after all. For that matter, would Sirius even know what a dollar was?

 

[wingthesword]

Wouldn't he prefer pounds?

Probably. Dollars are foreign, after all. For that matter, would Sirius even know what a dollar was?

Doubt it.
I mean I only know that Mexico uses pesos because my family is from there, I doubt somebody as biggoted and xenophobic(this is just an assumption on my part) as Vernon who would know, care, or think it useful at all. The only reason Sirius bribbing would work is because it's gold.

 

[zerohour]

Wouldn't he prefer pounds?

Probably. Dollars are foreign, after all. For that matter, would Sirius even know what a dollar was?

Doubt it.
I mean I only know that Mexico uses pesos because my family is from there, I doubt somebody as biggoted and xenophobic(this is just an assumption on my part) as Vernon who would know, care, or think it useful at all. The only reason Sirius bribbing would work is because it's gold.

Keep in mind that you're talking about MEXICO. The US is a major economic force, and people are more likely to use dollars than pesos any day. Much like a lot of us are aware that Britain uses the pound, and most of Europe uses the Euro, it wouldn't be strange for a Brit to know what a dollar is.

Now if you were to address the idea of a wizard knowing what a dollar was, then you might have a case. But since the gust of the idea is "Here's a bunch of gold, now go away," it doesn't matter too much.

 

[SotF]

Depending on just how bad the Dursleys are in that 'verse, I might not blame him.

With just the canon it would be perfectly justifiable to keep Petunia in a dungeon under Grimmauld Place being fed some grule once a day.

Now the amusing thing would be if the Dursleys were actually nice here.

 

[Tentrees]

Vernon Dursley nice? I can see crafty even slytherinish Vernon but nice?

Canon Vernon Dusley was an A**. Sticking charming him to a large rock at the back of a boat and giving him a bubblehead to enjoy his decent to Davy Jones might do. At least until the bubble head fails...


Sirus' best bet would be to hire an independent curse breaker to make an assesment as to their strength and viability. Or to teach Harry how to subvert them. (Zaxxon did this plot point in Bonds of Magic).

I have seen one Vernon Dursley done as a good guy in HP & the Ice Maidens. But this is more for th efact that his children are all magical also.

 

[Argosh]

Now, how do I pull this off without going back to Azkaban?

Fill them to the gills with Draught of the Living Death, then stick them in the cupboard.
Them being the Dursleys.

 

[bissek]

Of course, a lot of writers have pointed out that the wards became useless the moment Riddle returned, since the ritual used to do so involved Harry's blood. Even before then, it was useless, since if all you need the blood of someone related to Lily Potter, it would be pretty easy to get Dudley to trade a DNA sample for a cheeseburger.

 

[Lord of Bones]

Why can't Vernon be nice? He may have been a dick to Harry but that doesn't mean he can't be a friendly, if blustering and opiniated, boss and a well-respected family man.

 

[GiantMonkeyMan]

I always thought the blood wards protected Petunia and Dudley as well... Sirius tries to kill them and is killed in turn by some very obscure magic.

I always found the Dursleys an awkward matter to cover; clearly they are complete cockheads but it's JKR's attempt to mimic the classic Cinderella 'abused by relatives then turns into a princess' (or, in this case, saves the world). It works in a children's book because that's what children's books are often based around (A Series of Unfortunate Events, Oliver Twist etc) but when you get older you realise that shit just ain't right and then try to correct this slight in fanfiction by having other characters become just as bad as the Dursleys and resort to murder/torture in some sort of lame attempt to avenge Harry.

The main problem with Dursley abuse in fanfiction is the inevitable inclusion of Dumbledore as some sort of Stalin-esque machiavellian badguy out to control Harry's life for the 'Greater Good' when he's clearly the most pure-hearted character in the books whose only fault is believing that the good in everybody should be given a chance to overcome the evil. He's the Superman of Harry Potter; yes, maybe he should just kill his Lex Luthors and lead the wizarding world into enlightenment but in doing so he would betray the very ideals he has stuck by since defeating Grindelwald.

Anyway... Dursleys = Bad. Bashing Dursleys = Pointless. They're 2D charicatures, not real people.

 

[zerohour]

He's the Superman of Harry Potter; yes, maybe he should just kill his Lex Luthors and lead the wizarding world into enlightenment but in doing so he would betray the very ideals he has stuck by since defeating Grindelwald.

Difference between Superman and Dumbledore is that Sperman holds them accountable for their actions, while Dumbledore doesn't. In book six, Draco tried repeatedly to kill Dumbledore, endangering other people along the way, and helped orchestrate an attack on Hogwarts, putting the lives of everyone in the castle at risk. Dumbledore knew what was happening, and let that happen. Superman would most likely capture Draco, and turn him over to the Aurors. At the very least, he would expel him.

There's a huge difference between showing mercy and letting people get away with murder.

 

[GiantMonkeyMan]

He's the Superman of Harry Potter; yes, maybe he should just kill his Lex Luthors and lead the wizarding world into enlightenment but in doing so he would betray the very ideals he has stuck by since defeating Grindelwald.

Difference between Superman and Dumbledore is that Sperman holds them accountable for their actions, while Dumbledore doesn't. In book six, Draco tried repeatedly to kill Dumbledore, endangering other people along the way, and helped orchestrate an attack on Hogwarts, putting the lives of everyone in the castle at risk. Dumbledore knew what was happening, and let that happen. Superman would most likely capture Draco, and turn him over to the Aurors. At the very least, he would expel him.

There's a huge difference between showing mercy and letting people get away with murder.

I disagree. Dumbledore clearly hopes that the best of all people will shine through and wanted Draco to overcome the path laid out for him and do what's 'right'. He was, perhaps, wrong in that just letting it lie wasn't going to change Draco; which, as I said, was his major fault. Just like Superman constantly turns his foes over to human authority whom, inevitably, sucumb to human error and let them free/is negligent in their escape.

Dumbledore's the kind of character that would be ridiculously optimistic about the redemption of everyone, even those who try to kill him, but he's also smart enough to recognise such attempts and avoid them. You've also got to remember that, in the end, Dumbledore was proved right when Draco couldn't bring himself to fully delve into the 'darkside' and kill in cold-blood.

 

[rukia8492]

I have seen one Vernon Dursley done as a good guy in HP & the Ice Maidens. But this is more for th efact that his children are all magical also.

link please.

 

[Lord of Bones]

Dumbledore's the kind of character that would be ridiculously optimistic about the redemption of everyone, even those who try to kill him, but he's also smart enough to recognise such attempts and avoid them. You've also got to remember that, in the end, Dumbledore was proved right when Draco couldn't bring himself to fully delve into the 'darkside' and kill in cold-blood.

On the other hand, it resulted in Death Eaters invading Hogwarts, Katie Bell being seriously injured (IIRC) and Rosmerta being put under the Imperius curse, all through Draco's actions.

EDIT: Regardless, virulent Dumbledore-bashing is as annoying as Luna-worship. Apparently not liking Luna is proof of prejudice against the mentally-handicapped.

 

[EspyLacopa]

Dumbledore's the kind of character that would be ridiculously optimistic about the redemption of everyone, even those who try to kill him, but he's also smart enough to recognise such attempts and avoid them. You've also got to remember that, in the end, Dumbledore was proved right when Draco couldn't bring himself to fully delve into the 'darkside' and kill in cold-blood.

On the other hand, it resulted in Death Eaters invading Hogwarts, Katie Bell being seriously injured (IIRC) and Rosmerta being put under the Imperius curse, all through Draco's actions.

EDIT: Regardless, virulent Dumbledore-bashing is as annoying as Luna-worship. Apparently not liking Luna is proof of prejudice against the mentally-handicapped.

It sounds kinda like, "Oh, the guy didn't kill anyone he took hostage in his getaway, so I guess that means we don't have to punish him for stealing the thousand pounds of gold from Fort Knox."

 

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Dumbledore's the kind of character that would be ridiculously optimistic about the redemption of everyone, even those who try to kill him, but he's also smart enough to recognise such attempts and avoid them. You've also got to remember that, in the end, Dumbledore was proved right when Draco couldn't bring himself to fully delve into the 'darkside' and kill in cold-blood.

On the other hand, it resulted in Death Eaters invading Hogwarts, Katie Bell being seriously injured (IIRC) and Rosmerta being put under the Imperius curse, all through Draco's actions.

EDIT: Regardless, virulent Dumbledore-bashing is as annoying as Luna-worship. Apparently not liking Luna is proof of prejudice against the mentally-handicapped.

To err is human. Although I compared him to superman due to his stalwart fixation to his ideals and belief in the betterment of man, Dumbledore is not Kryptonian and makes mistakes. And while it is true his forgiveness lead to the takeover of Hogwarts and the harm that entailed, including his own death, it all turned out to be a Xanatos-gambit of epic proportions that allowed Snape to solidify his position in the Death Eaters and Harry to begin his Horcrux hunt. You cannot deny the dude was smart.

Well... anyway, this is my opinion on the Dumbledore character after a few years of reading him slated in a lot of fanfiction as some sort of second coming of Hitler.

Edit: and I have no idea how to reply to EspyLacopa, since I have no idea who he is referring to. Draco or Dumbledore?

 

[zerohour]

Just like Superman constantly turns his foes over to human authority whom, inevitably, sucumb to human error and let them free/is negligent in their escape.

Superman follows through, and puts them in jail. Dumbledore's method is the equivalent of Superman stopping the bank robber, taking him outside, dusting him off, and saying "That takes care of that!" before flying off. It's 100% his fault that the bank robber gets away, as opposed to the security guards whose negligence allowed him to escape from prison. Big difference.

Dumbledore's the kind of character that would be ridiculously optimistic about the redemption of everyone, even those who try to kill him, but he's also smart enough to recognize such attempts and avoid them. You've also got to remember that, in the end, Dumbledore was proved right when Draco couldn't bring himself to fully delve into the 'darkside' and kill in cold-blood.

Unfortunately, being smart enough to avoid them himself doesn't mean that he's smart enough to protect everyone else from harm, and he has a duty to people as a whole. He's always espousing the "Greater Good," so he should stick with that instead of ignoring his philosophy when it's convenient for him.

Yeah, Draco didn't succumb to the deep end of the darkside, but he's more than happy to play around in the shallow end. Not being willing to kill a helpless, old, dying man doesn't make you a good person, and there is still plenty of evil that doesn't require killing face to face in cold blood. Partially redeeming one person at the cost of god knows how many is just bad practice.

@GiantMonkeyMan:
I'm not sure how Dumbledore's plan led to the Horcrux hunt, since that would have happened anyways. I'm also not sure how Snape being in Voldie's good graces was especially helpful. It's been awhile, but I don't remember any key information/actions that necessitated things playing out the way they did.

One of my major problems is the conflict between saving the individual and his philosophy of the Greater Good. You can do one or the other, not both.