Blue Submarine No. 6

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Well, it was an esoteric and somewhat unsatisfying series, but the games it spawned and the universe it presented has some unique properties. Unique potential for various stories and RPGs. So, discuss BS6! Like, didn't like, fanfictions, even story ideas. Go for it.

 

[SoulGriever13]

Liked the animation, the early bits, and the middle. The ending felt like it came out of left field almost entirely, and pacifist!Hayami just doesn't work IMO. Message or no, Zorndyke was an unhinged lunatic with a god complex.

Also, was disappointed at the lack of Hayami/Mutio.

-Griever

 

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Liked the animation, the early bits, and the middle. The ending felt like it came out of left field almost entirely, and pacifist!Hayami just doesn't work IMO. Message or no, Zorndyke was an unhinged lunatic with a god complex.

Also, was disappointed at the lack of Hayami/Mutio.

-Griever

Agreed. Guy was just using a bunch of philosophical bullshit to try and justify what he'd done.

And yes, I was very disappointed that Hayami and Muteo didn't get anything. Of course... They were alone on that piece of wreckage for a while...

 

[PCHeintz72]

Hmmm...

For Japanese Anime Submarine movies... I liked Submarine 707R (OAV) best. Pity it was not continued.

 

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Hmmm...

For Japanese Anime Submarine movies... I liked Submarine 707R (OAV) best. Pity it was not continued.

Don't think I've seen that. I did see "The Silent Service". The Anti-American bias in it was pretty disgusting, to be honest. I didn't much care for it at all. That, and the captain of the "Yamato" seemed to have put his submarine on God-mode and did a lot of stuff that my father (who did serve on submarines in the US Navy) confirms is total bullshit.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Hmmm...

For Japanese Anime Submarine movies...? I liked Submarine 707R (OAV) best.? Pity it was not continued.

Don't think I've seen that. I did see "The Silent Service". The Anti-American bias in it was pretty disgusting, to be honest. I didn't much care for it at all. That, and the captain of the "Yamato" seemed to have put his submarine on God-mode and did a lot of stuff that my father (who did serve on submarines in the US Navy) confirms is total bullshit.

I've not seen Silent Service, so can't say one way or the other.

 

[GenocideHeart]

I'm disappointed in the near-total lack of Mutio H-doujin on the Internet, personally. Seriously, the Intarbutt failed me.

 

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

I'm disappointed in the near-total lack of Mutio H-doujin on the Internet, personally. Seriously, the Intarbutt failed me.

I guess it's ending left a lot of Japanese otaku and doujin artists feeling let down as well...

 

[blackkyuubi]

It's been a while for me but BS6 was one of the things that pulled me into the world of Japaneses animation. Story line seemed solid at the beginning but yeah the end seemed to drop off somewhere that I couldn't fallow. I think I'll go to Wikipedia and refresh the ol'memory.

Edit* IT'S BEEN NINE YEARS?!?! God I feel old now. :headbanger:

Edit2* took out the rant, sorry people I know how much you all hate that.

 

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

It's okay, Kyuubi. If it helps, I feel a bit old myself. I was 15 when it first came out, heheh.

So, anyone ever get a look at the tie-in games or novels for BS6? And have you heard about the live-action movie they're making of it?

 

[Sect]

I was 12 when BS6 came out?! No way. Also, did not realize that there were games and novels based on it.

And if Mateo is that fish girl, then yes, it should've ended with a pairing between her and the human guy. Or at least spawned some porn.

 

[blackkyuubi]

I only ever found one fic that was worth reading, and that was to short in my openion.

Edit* forgot the link Tales of the Crew.

 

[PCHeintz72]

I only ever found one fic that was worth reading, and that was to short in my openion.

Edit* forgot the link Tales of the Crew.

Anyone know of any stories for Submarine 707R?

 

[blackkyuubi]

I only ever found one fic that was worth reading, and that was to short in my openion.

Edit* forgot the link Tales of the Crew.

Anyone know of any stories for Submarine 707R?

Can't say I have, it's been awhile since I'v seen 707 but it didn't hit me hard enough to make me want to go looking for fiction so......

 

[Crusader]

Liked the animation, the early bits, and the middle. The ending felt like it came out of left field almost entirely, and pacifist!Hayami just doesn't work IMO. Message or no, Zorndyke was an unhinged lunatic with a god complex.

Also, was disappointed at the lack of Hayami/Mutio.

? -Griever

Agreed. Guy was just using a bunch of philosophical bullshit to try and justify what he'd done.

And yes, I was very disappointed that Hayami and Muteo didn't get anything. Of course... They were alone on that piece of wreckage for a while...

I was disappointed that Zorndyke didn't get a worse death, but seeing his shark-man flunkie break down over Zorndyke kicking the bucket is something I'd see as poetic justice after all the harm he had done.

Tetsu Hayami's partner who became Zorndyke's guinea pig after the twos botched attempt at a harebrained two-man diplomacy trip, should've gotten more scenes in the OAV in my opinion and probably discussion among the crew if they ever could manage to undo the genetic tampering Zorndyke did on him.

 

[Crusader]

I'm disappointed in the near-total lack of Mutio H-doujin on the Internet, personally. Seriously, the Intarbutt failed me.

I guess it's ending left a lot of Japanese otaku and doujin artists feeling let down as well...

Letdowns happen all the time, but I don't see any reason for skilled fans not to make a doujinshi remake of Blue Submarine 6 following a plot that suits their own taste, like a plot line that imitates the dark theme of the remake of Battlestar Galactica. Or possibly an X-Com: Terror from the Deep scenario where reverse-engineering, autopsies and obervation of live prisoners is vital to the war effort against Zorndyke in order to have scientists make better weapons.

 

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Liked the animation, the early bits, and the middle. The ending felt like it came out of left field almost entirely, and pacifist!Hayami just doesn't work IMO. Message or no, Zorndyke was an unhinged lunatic with a god complex.

Also, was disappointed at the lack of Hayami/Mutio.

? -Griever

Agreed. Guy was just using a bunch of philosophical bullshit to try and justify what he'd done.

And yes, I was very disappointed that Hayami and Muteo didn't get anything. Of course... They were alone on that piece of wreckage for a while...

I was disappointed that Zorndyke didn't get a worse death, but seeing his shark-man flunkie break down over Zorndyke kicking the bucket is something I'd see as poetic justice after all the harm he had done.

Tetsu Hayami's partner who became Zorndyke's guinea pig after the twos botched attempt at a harebrained two-man diplomacy trip, should've gotten more scenes in the OAV in my opinion and probably discussion among the crew if they ever could manage to undo the genetic tampering Zorndyke did on him.

Agreed. That would have made sense, but the writers seemed to have focused more on the esoteric crap, the supposed "moral ambiguity" of Zorndyke's actions, and kickass 3D battlescenes (which weren't bad, but didn't really let us connect with the characters). I mean, you'd think Hayami's partner would have been more than a little pissed about being turned into a fishman against his will and might have changed his tune on Zorndyke-Like a normal person. On the other hand, he did warn the Blue Fleet not to nuke the South Pole, so there's that.

 

[SoulGriever13]

---
"... since that day, I have not been alive. I have been dead," the old man spoke.

At the edge of a cliff overlooking clusters of geothermal pits he'd used to transform Antarctica, the heart of his new home, he had delivered his manifesto ...

"You're pathetic."

The next thing Zorndyke knew, he was flat on his back, bits of broken glass digging into his cheeks and his nose a bloody, broken mess.

Tetsu Hayami glared down at his prone form over the sights of a pistol, the hand not holding it still clenched into a fist and shaking.

"Nothing, _nothing_ in what you have said absolves you of carrying the responsibility for your own actions, and if you think you can just dodge that responsibility like this you selfish, egotistic fuck, you have another think coming!"

A boot to the side turned him over.

"Death is what you want, isn't it? Making yourself into some kind of martyr ... well, guess again."

A hand grabbed the collar of his shirt and dragged him upright again, before it turned him to face towards the shoreline and shoved him forward.

"Jung Zorndyke, as an officer of the Blue Fleet I hereby place you under arrest for crimes against humanity. "

He stumbled, but the hand at the back of his neck kept him from falling, even as it kept his moving forward ...

"You _will_ be given a trial, and it _will_ be very, very fair, and very, very well documented. I guarantee you that the memory of those atrocities you've committed will not be allowed to just _fade away_."

*

"Why?" Kino Mayumi asked, staring as Hayami cuffed Zorndyke's hands behind the old man's back.

"Because, for once, I want to do the right thing. Because this _is_ the right thing to do," the senior pilot smiled mirthlessly. "And because killing him now would be giving him exactly what he wants, and I'm a spiteful son of a bitch."
---

Or something like that is the way I'd have wanted to see the issue of what to do with the old fart deal with. Sure, just shooting him was probably very satisfying, but ultimately? With the sort of crap this guy pulled off, a quick, relatively painless death followed by martyrdom is the last thing he deserves.

Oh, and Hayami ought to then empty the magazine of that pistol into Verg.

-Griever

 

[Aegis]

Hell yes! XD This actually DOES look like something Hayami, the real one and not the watered down pussy at the end, would have done and it's amusing as hell. Also, say no to the death penalty and yes to life prision XD

 

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

---
"... since that day, I have not been alive. I have been dead," the old man spoke.

At the edge of a cliff overlooking clusters of geothermal pits he'd used to transform Antarctica, the heart of his new home, he had delivered his manifesto ...

"You're pathetic."

The next thing Zorndyke knew, he was flat on his back, bits of broken glass digging into his cheeks and his nose a bloody, broken mess.

Tetsu Hayami glared down at his prone form over the sights of a pistol, the hand not holding it still clenched into a fist and shaking.

"Nothing, _nothing_ in what you have said absolves you of carrying the responsibility for your own actions, and if you think you can just dodge that responsibility like this you selfish, egotistic fuck, you have another think coming!"

A boot to the side turned him over.

"Death is what you want, isn't it? Making yourself into some kind of martyr ... well, guess again."

A hand grabbed the collar of his shirt and dragged him upright again, before it turned him to face towards the shoreline and shoved him forward.

"Jung Zorndyke, as an officer of the Blue Fleet I hereby place you under arrest for crimes against humanity. "

He stumbled, but the hand at the back of his neck kept him from falling, even as it kept his moving forward ...

"You _will_ be given a trial, and it _will_ be very, very fair, and very, very well documented. I guarantee you that the memory of those atrocities you've committed will not be allowed to just _fade away_."

*

"Why?" Kino Mayumi asked, staring as Hayami cuffed Zorndyke's hands behind the old man's back.

"Because, for once, I want to do the right thing. Because this _is_ the right thing to do," the senior pilot smiled mirthlessly. "And because killing him now would be giving him exactly what he wants, and I'm a spiteful son of a bitch."
---

Or something like that is the way I'd have wanted to see the issue of what to do with the old fart deal with. Sure, just shooting him was probably very satisfying, but ultimately? With the sort of crap this guy pulled off, a quick, relatively painless death followed by martyrdom is the last thing he deserves.

Oh, and Hayami ought to then empty the magazine of that pistol into Verg.

-Griever

Made of fucking win. Now this is how it should have ended. Booyah.

 

[Crusader]

---
"... since that day, I have not been alive. I have been dead," the old man spoke.

At the edge of a cliff overlooking clusters of geothermal pits he'd used to transform Antarctica, the heart of his new home, he had delivered his manifesto ...

"You're pathetic."

The next thing Zorndyke knew, he was flat on his back, bits of broken glass digging into his cheeks and his nose a bloody, broken mess.

Tetsu Hayami glared down at his prone form over the sights of a pistol, the hand not holding it still clenched into a fist and shaking.

"Nothing, _nothing_ in what you have said absolves you of carrying the responsibility for your own actions, and if you think you can just dodge that responsibility like this you selfish, egotistic fuck, you have another think coming!"

A boot to the side turned him over.

"Death is what you want, isn't it? Making yourself into some kind of martyr ... well, guess again."

A hand grabbed the collar of his shirt and dragged him upright again, before it turned him to face towards the shoreline and shoved him forward.

"Jung Zorndyke, as an officer of the Blue Fleet I hereby place you under arrest for crimes against humanity. "

He stumbled, but the hand at the back of his neck kept him from falling, even as it kept his moving forward ...

"You _will_ be given a trial, and it _will_ be very, very fair, and very, very well documented. I guarantee you that the memory of those atrocities you've committed will not be allowed to just _fade away_."

*

"Why?" Kino Mayumi asked, staring as Hayami cuffed Zorndyke's hands behind the old man's back.

"Because, for once, I want to do the right thing. Because this _is_ the right thing to do," the senior pilot smiled mirthlessly. "And because killing him now would be giving him exactly what he wants, and I'm a spiteful son of a bitch."
---

Or something like that is the way I'd have wanted to see the issue of what to do with the old fart deal with. Sure, just shooting him was probably very satisfying, but ultimately? With the sort of crap this guy pulled off, a quick, relatively painless death followed by martyrdom is the last thing he deserves.

Oh, and Hayami ought to then empty the magazine of that pistol into Verg.

-Griever

Any idea how Mutio would end up acting as a result of this alternate route? Maybe it would open her eyes to what Zorndyke truly is, and therefore making her defect to Hayami's side.

 

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

---
"... since that day, I have not been alive. I have been dead," the old man spoke.

At the edge of a cliff overlooking clusters of geothermal pits he'd used to transform Antarctica, the heart of his new home, he had delivered his manifesto ...

"You're pathetic."

The next thing Zorndyke knew, he was flat on his back, bits of broken glass digging into his cheeks and his nose a bloody, broken mess.

Tetsu Hayami glared down at his prone form over the sights of a pistol, the hand not holding it still clenched into a fist and shaking.

"Nothing, _nothing_ in what you have said absolves you of carrying the responsibility for your own actions, and if you think you can just dodge that responsibility like this you selfish, egotistic fuck, you have another think coming!"

A boot to the side turned him over.

"Death is what you want, isn't it? Making yourself into some kind of martyr ... well, guess again."

A hand grabbed the collar of his shirt and dragged him upright again, before it turned him to face towards the shoreline and shoved him forward.

"Jung Zorndyke, as an officer of the Blue Fleet I hereby place you under arrest for crimes against humanity. "

He stumbled, but the hand at the back of his neck kept him from falling, even as it kept his moving forward ...

"You _will_ be given a trial, and it _will_ be very, very fair, and very, very well documented. I guarantee you that the memory of those atrocities you've committed will not be allowed to just _fade away_."

*

"Why?" Kino Mayumi asked, staring as Hayami cuffed Zorndyke's hands behind the old man's back.

"Because, for once, I want to do the right thing. Because this _is_ the right thing to do," the senior pilot smiled mirthlessly. "And because killing him now would be giving him exactly what he wants, and I'm a spiteful son of a bitch."
---

Or something like that is the way I'd have wanted to see the issue of what to do with the old fart deal with. Sure, just shooting him was probably very satisfying, but ultimately? With the sort of crap this guy pulled off, a quick, relatively painless death followed by martyrdom is the last thing he deserves.

Oh, and Hayami ought to then empty the magazine of that pistol into Verg.

? -Griever

Any idea how Mutio would end up acting as a result of this alternate route? Maybe it would open her eyes to what Zorndyke truly is, and therefore making her defect to Hayami's side.

Well, she already did, basically. Choosing Hayami, refusing to submit to Verg (who does need to die. Horribly).

 

[Crusader]

---
"... since that day, I have not been alive. I have been dead," the old man spoke.

At the edge of a cliff overlooking clusters of geothermal pits he'd used to transform Antarctica, the heart of his new home, he had delivered his manifesto ...

"You're pathetic."

The next thing Zorndyke knew, he was flat on his back, bits of broken glass digging into his cheeks and his nose a bloody, broken mess.

Tetsu Hayami glared down at his prone form over the sights of a pistol, the hand not holding it still clenched into a fist and shaking.

"Nothing, _nothing_ in what you have said absolves you of carrying the responsibility for your own actions, and if you think you can just dodge that responsibility like this you selfish, egotistic fuck, you have another think coming!"

A boot to the side turned him over.

"Death is what you want, isn't it? Making yourself into some kind of martyr ... well, guess again."

A hand grabbed the collar of his shirt and dragged him upright again, before it turned him to face towards the shoreline and shoved him forward.

"Jung Zorndyke, as an officer of the Blue Fleet I hereby place you under arrest for crimes against humanity. "

He stumbled, but the hand at the back of his neck kept him from falling, even as it kept his moving forward ...

"You _will_ be given a trial, and it _will_ be very, very fair, and very, very well documented. I guarantee you that the memory of those atrocities you've committed will not be allowed to just _fade away_."

*

"Why?" Kino Mayumi asked, staring as Hayami cuffed Zorndyke's hands behind the old man's back.

"Because, for once, I want to do the right thing. Because this _is_ the right thing to do," the senior pilot smiled mirthlessly. "And because killing him now would be giving him exactly what he wants, and I'm a spiteful son of a bitch."
---

Or something like that is the way I'd have wanted to see the issue of what to do with the old fart deal with. Sure, just shooting him was probably very satisfying, but ultimately? With the sort of crap this guy pulled off, a quick, relatively painless death followed by martyrdom is the last thing he deserves.

Oh, and Hayami ought to then empty the magazine of that pistol into Verg.

á -Griever

Any idea how Mutio would end up acting as a result of this alternate route? Maybe it would open her eyes to what Zorndyke truly is, and therefore making her defect to Hayami's side.

Well, she already did, basically. Choosing Hayami, refusing to submit to Verg (who does need to die. Horribly).

It took her a lot of courage to stand up to that shark man and the others.

Making Verg into a shark fin soup plus shark meat was one thing I had in mind. Or stuffing him into a torpedo tube or a ballistic missile tube and launch him into something hard or sharp.

 

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

---
"... since that day, I have not been alive. I have been dead," the old man spoke.

At the edge of a cliff overlooking clusters of geothermal pits he'd used to transform Antarctica, the heart of his new home, he had delivered his manifesto ...

"You're pathetic."

The next thing Zorndyke knew, he was flat on his back, bits of broken glass digging into his cheeks and his nose a bloody, broken mess.

Tetsu Hayami glared down at his prone form over the sights of a pistol, the hand not holding it still clenched into a fist and shaking.

"Nothing, _nothing_ in what you have said absolves you of carrying the responsibility for your own actions, and if you think you can just dodge that responsibility like this you selfish, egotistic fuck, you have another think coming!"

A boot to the side turned him over.

"Death is what you want, isn't it? Making yourself into some kind of martyr ... well, guess again."

A hand grabbed the collar of his shirt and dragged him upright again, before it turned him to face towards the shoreline and shoved him forward.

"Jung Zorndyke, as an officer of the Blue Fleet I hereby place you under arrest for crimes against humanity. "

He stumbled, but the hand at the back of his neck kept him from falling, even as it kept his moving forward ...

"You _will_ be given a trial, and it _will_ be very, very fair, and very, very well documented. I guarantee you that the memory of those atrocities you've committed will not be allowed to just _fade away_."

*

"Why?" Kino Mayumi asked, staring as Hayami cuffed Zorndyke's hands behind the old man's back.

"Because, for once, I want to do the right thing. Because this _is_ the right thing to do," the senior pilot smiled mirthlessly. "And because killing him now would be giving him exactly what he wants, and I'm a spiteful son of a bitch."
---

Or something like that is the way I'd have wanted to see the issue of what to do with the old fart deal with. Sure, just shooting him was probably very satisfying, but ultimately? With the sort of crap this guy pulled off, a quick, relatively painless death followed by martyrdom is the last thing he deserves.

Oh, and Hayami ought to then empty the magazine of that pistol into Verg.

á -Griever

Any idea how Mutio would end up acting as a result of this alternate route? Maybe it would open her eyes to what Zorndyke truly is, and therefore making her defect to Hayami's side.

Well, she already did, basically. Choosing Hayami, refusing to submit to Verg (who does need to die. Horribly).

It took her a lot of courage to stand up to that shark man and the others.

Making Verg into a shark fin soup plus shark meat was one thing I had in mind. Or stuffing him into a torpedo tube or a ballistic missile tube and launch him into something hard or sharp.

All very good... And appropriate, given that Blue Submarine #6 was built and crewed by the Japanese. ^_^ J/K

Damn... It really sucks that the Coback, the United States' contribution to the Blue Fleet, was destroyed. Or Corback, it depends on your pronunciation. Actually, I've looked and looked and I haven't been able to find out what this ship was actually named for. Any ideas, guys?

And, just to further contribute:

Badass fanart!

Perhaps literally...

 

[Crusader]

---
"... since that day, I have not been alive. I have been dead," the old man spoke.

At the edge of a cliff overlooking clusters of geothermal pits he'd used to transform Antarctica, the heart of his new home, he had delivered his manifesto ...

"You're pathetic."

The next thing Zorndyke knew, he was flat on his back, bits of broken glass digging into his cheeks and his nose a bloody, broken mess.

Tetsu Hayami glared down at his prone form over the sights of a pistol, the hand not holding it still clenched into a fist and shaking.

"Nothing, _nothing_ in what you have said absolves you of carrying the responsibility for your own actions, and if you think you can just dodge that responsibility like this you selfish, egotistic fuck, you have another think coming!"

A boot to the side turned him over.

"Death is what you want, isn't it? Making yourself into some kind of martyr ... well, guess again."

A hand grabbed the collar of his shirt and dragged him upright again, before it turned him to face towards the shoreline and shoved him forward.

"Jung Zorndyke, as an officer of the Blue Fleet I hereby place you under arrest for crimes against humanity. "

He stumbled, but the hand at the back of his neck kept him from falling, even as it kept his moving forward ...

"You _will_ be given a trial, and it _will_ be very, very fair, and very, very well documented. I guarantee you that the memory of those atrocities you've committed will not be allowed to just _fade away_."

*

"Why?" Kino Mayumi asked, staring as Hayami cuffed Zorndyke's hands behind the old man's back.

"Because, for once, I want to do the right thing. Because this _is_ the right thing to do," the senior pilot smiled mirthlessly. "And because killing him now would be giving him exactly what he wants, and I'm a spiteful son of a bitch."
---

Or something like that is the way I'd have wanted to see the issue of what to do with the old fart deal with. Sure, just shooting him was probably very satisfying, but ultimately? With the sort of crap this guy pulled off, a quick, relatively painless death followed by martyrdom is the last thing he deserves.

Oh, and Hayami ought to then empty the magazine of that pistol into Verg.

á -Griever

Any idea how Mutio would end up acting as a result of this alternate route? Maybe it would open her eyes to what Zorndyke truly is, and therefore making her defect to Hayami's side.

Well, she already did, basically. Choosing Hayami, refusing to submit to Verg (who does need to die. Horribly).

It took her a lot of courage to stand up to that shark man and the others.

Making Verg into a shark fin soup plus shark meat was one thing I had in mind. Or stuffing him into a torpedo tube or a ballistic missile tube and launch him into something hard or sharp.

All very good... And appropriate, given that Blue Submarine #6 was built and crewed by the Japanese. ^_^ J/K

Damn... It really sucks that the Coback, the United States' contribution to the Blue Fleet, was destroyed. Or Corback, it depends on your pronunciation. Actually, I've looked and looked and I haven't been able to find out what this ship was actually named for. Any ideas, guys?

And, just to further contribute:

Badass fanart!

Perhaps literally...

Well since the story is centred around the crew of Blue Submarine # 6, I think I can understand why it hogged the spotlight, but I think many would've appreciated if the exploits of other of the Blue Fleet vessels had been incorporated into the OVA, like the Narushio's adventures and others.

Verg's obsession with # 6 seemed to be his undoing.

The Hayami and Mutio fanart for some reason reminds me of some old Flash Gordon art or something like that.