Nasuverse Childcare is War Question
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Here's the website:
http://stparusu.net/ase/main/
The continuation is basically a fanfic written by ST Parasu with an illustration accompanying each chapter.
http://stparusu.net/ase/main/
The continuation is basically a fanfic written by ST Parasu with an illustration accompanying each chapter.
TM????? > ???????
And then continued until ???????????.
It's a pretty long story. And there are also have tons of other ones. Like Ilya adopting a kitten (or her eventually expiring), as well as a side story in Archer's life, and ST Parasu's version of Bazett being betrayed by Kotomine. Etc. Etc.
I haven't seen much activity from St Parusu lately though.
The Sky Stroll
"Kyaaaah!
It's like a roller coaster!"
"Hawa... Hawawa...!
Th-this is way too high up! It's scaryyyy!"
"Wellll... where to next, mm?"
"A much higher place!"
"N-Nee-san~~~
A place on the ground! A normal stroll is finee!"
"Mmhm... Well then, how about I keep our present course?
Let's keep going!"
"Stooooooppp...!"
"Yaaay! Faster! Fly faster, Archer!"
---
</half assed>
Most of the first part of ??????? is just simple slice of life stuff like what was in Childcare is War. The fourth Holy Grail War doesn't start until halfway through the second part.
And then continued until ???????????.
It's a pretty long story. And there are also have tons of other ones. Like Ilya adopting a kitten (or her eventually expiring), as well as a side story in Archer's life, and ST Parasu's version of Bazett being betrayed by Kotomine. Etc. Etc.
I haven't seen much activity from St Parusu lately though.
The Sky Stroll
"Kyaaaah!
It's like a roller coaster!"
"Hawa... Hawawa...!
Th-this is way too high up! It's scaryyyy!"
"Wellll... where to next, mm?"
"A much higher place!"
"N-Nee-san~~~
A place on the ground! A normal stroll is finee!"
"Mmhm... Well then, how about I keep our present course?
Let's keep going!"
"Stooooooppp...!"
"Yaaay! Faster! Fly faster, Archer!"
---
</half assed>
Most of the first part of ??????? is just simple slice of life stuff like what was in Childcare is War. The fourth Holy Grail War doesn't start until halfway through the second part.
You know, the future of this could get dark really quick, because it looks like it's set before Fate/Zero (as Sakura was already given to the Matous by then). As a result, you'd wind up with Kotomine going and attempting to kill two little girls, Archer fighting his father and first love in an attempt at protecting what he thinks of as his daughters, the girls wondering why he's fighting people he has such happy memories of, and things generally going FUBAR.
Gilgamesh might not be summoned, though; I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Thinking on it, though, he might be summoned as Berserker, because the Master of Lancelot-Berserker only entered the war in an attempt at protecting Sakura, Needless to say, this would make him dramatically weaker than his normal state.
I wouldn't be surprised if Archer pulls out Avalon in an attempt at saving the life of Rin and/or Sakura after they get almost killed, though.
Gilgamesh might not be summoned, though; I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Thinking on it, though, he might be summoned as Berserker, because the Master of Lancelot-Berserker only entered the war in an attempt at protecting Sakura, Needless to say, this would make him dramatically weaker than his normal state.
I wouldn't be surprised if Archer pulls out Avalon in an attempt at saving the life of Rin and/or Sakura after they get almost killed, though.
Why would Gil be weaker as a Berserker? They aren't insane unless the master wants them to be. Not to mention that while he could be summoned as a Saber, I don't recall him going on an insane rampage during his life, so I don't think he even qualifies as a Berserker.
On top of that, there can be multiple Archers in the same war. There were two Sabers in the third.
Also, why would Kotomine (Risei or Kirei) be attempting to kill the Tohsakas? Hell, Kirei didn't even have anything to do with them until Fate/Zero, and during that he was on their side.
Did you mean Emiya Kiritsugi? Because I'm pretty sure he'd just try and kill Archer rather than kill two little girls. Maybe if they had summoned Gilgamesh or Lancelot, but EMIYA wouldn't be that hard for Fate/Zero Arturia to take down in a straight fight.
On top of that, there can be multiple Archers in the same war. There were two Sabers in the third.
Also, why would Kotomine (Risei or Kirei) be attempting to kill the Tohsakas? Hell, Kirei didn't even have anything to do with them until Fate/Zero, and during that he was on their side.
Did you mean Emiya Kiritsugi? Because I'm pretty sure he'd just try and kill Archer rather than kill two little girls. Maybe if they had summoned Gilgamesh or Lancelot, but EMIYA wouldn't be that hard for Fate/Zero Arturia to take down in a straight fight.
Didn't he go mad running about the countryside after Enkidu died?
True.
Well, Kirei did murder Tokiomi to get Gilgamesh (after having summoned Assassin). I did mean Kiritsugi, though. I get their names confused. Don't underestimate Archer, though; I doubt Arturia would be prepared for someone pulling out her own Noble Phantasms or Unlimited Blade Works.
True.
Well, Kirei did murder Tokiomi to get Gilgamesh (after having summoned Assassin). I did mean Kiritsugi, though. I get their names confused. Don't underestimate Archer, though; I doubt Arturia would be prepared for someone pulling out her own Noble Phantasms or Unlimited Blade Works.
I thought he just became obsessed with immortality after Enkidu's death. I don't remember anything about insanity at all.
Archer can't trace Excalibur (even though he logically should be able to, given he can channel 270 prana units at once), nor can he trace Caliburn (as he never had the vision of Saber's past).
Saber's full Mana Burst can dissolve UBW.
Archer can't trace Excalibur (even though he logically should be able to, given he can channel 270 prana units at once), nor can he trace Caliburn (as he never had the vision of Saber's past).
Saber's full Mana Burst can dissolve UBW.
That's not quite true actually.
In the UBW route, he threatened to trace Excalibur and use it against her excalibur when he faced Saber to get her to back down. Apparently, the resulting colision between 2 Excaliblasts would wipe out everything around them (which at the time, included Shirou & Rin)
I even read somewhere that Nasu himself commented that Archer in optimum conditions could trace excalibur and pull off at least 1 excaliblast with it. Though he's not likely to do so, as he's more prone to low risk/high return tactics.
And why wouldn't he be able to trace Caliburn? He was Saber's master in his timeline so he'd naturally have seen visions of her past as well.
In the UBW route, he threatened to trace Excalibur and use it against her excalibur when he faced Saber to get her to back down. Apparently, the resulting colision between 2 Excaliblasts would wipe out everything around them (which at the time, included Shirou & Rin)
I even read somewhere that Nasu himself commented that Archer in optimum conditions could trace excalibur and pull off at least 1 excaliblast with it. Though he's not likely to do so, as he's more prone to low risk/high return tactics.
And why wouldn't he be able to trace Caliburn? He was Saber's master in his timeline so he'd naturally have seen visions of her past as well.
He would have no reason to not use it if he could trace it. There is a reason Shirou traces it against Archer and Gilgamesh, because it's history allows it to move at the same speed and force as when Arturia used it, and it's ability can kill a Mad Enhanced Herakles 7 times in a single stab.
Not using it as a close combat weapon is just doesn't make sense given the enemies he's facing, not to mention never using it. I'll acknowledge that it's possible he just chooses not to though.
It was said that his bond with Saber wasn't anywhere near as close as Shirou's in the game, so I always just took that to mean he didn't get visions of her past as a result.
I didn't know about the Excalibur thing though, I guess he just doesn't like wasting prana.
Not using it as a close combat weapon is just doesn't make sense given the enemies he's facing, not to mention never using it. I'll acknowledge that it's possible he just chooses not to though.
It was said that his bond with Saber wasn't anywhere near as close as Shirou's in the game, so I always just took that to mean he didn't get visions of her past as a result.
I didn't know about the Excalibur thing though, I guess he just doesn't like wasting prana.
The reason he doesn't use Caliburn is not because he can't trace it. It's because Caliburn has a clause attached to it.
Caliburn is the sword in the stone that selects the king. Unlike Excalibur (Sword of promised victory), that means that only the king can evoke it's holy power. The only reason why it worked when Shirou traced it was because Saber was wielding it with him at the time and they were both doing the love stab on Beserker.
Also, consider his options:
Excalibur - Can only pull off 1 blast before severely depleting his reserves...and it's most likely unable to take off more than 4 to 5 lives off Beserker.
Caliburn - Unable to use it because he's not the king.
Not to mention that Beserker's God Hand noble phantasm not only grants him 12 auto resurrections, it also acts as an armor that negates all attacks not exceeding B rank Noble Phantasms. This means that only Noble Phantasms or attacks ranking B or above will pierce his armor. (and those are bloody rare)
You also have to consider that his main duty at the time was to delay Beserker long enough for Rin and company to escape. The best option at the time was to use Guerilla tactics to wear him down.
Considering the fact that he was able to kill off Beserker 6 times with that mindset is a mark to how skilled and capable he is. (hell...he impressed Heracles so much that he managed to pull him out of his beserker state just so that he could lament why he couldn't have had the chance to fight archer when he had all his marbles)
Caliburn is the sword in the stone that selects the king. Unlike Excalibur (Sword of promised victory), that means that only the king can evoke it's holy power. The only reason why it worked when Shirou traced it was because Saber was wielding it with him at the time and they were both doing the love stab on Beserker.
Also, consider his options:
Excalibur - Can only pull off 1 blast before severely depleting his reserves...and it's most likely unable to take off more than 4 to 5 lives off Beserker.
Caliburn - Unable to use it because he's not the king.
Not to mention that Beserker's God Hand noble phantasm not only grants him 12 auto resurrections, it also acts as an armor that negates all attacks not exceeding B rank Noble Phantasms. This means that only Noble Phantasms or attacks ranking B or above will pierce his armor. (and those are bloody rare)
You also have to consider that his main duty at the time was to delay Beserker long enough for Rin and company to escape. The best option at the time was to use Guerilla tactics to wear him down.
Considering the fact that he was able to kill off Beserker 6 times with that mindset is a mark to how skilled and capable he is. (hell...he impressed Heracles so much that he managed to pull him out of his beserker state just so that he could lament why he couldn't have had the chance to fight archer when he had all his marbles)
Excalibur is canonically more powerful than Caliburn. If Caliburn can take off 7 lives, Excaliblast can take off at least 8.
I suppose we never saw the actual fight, so it's possible he could have used Caliburn as a Broken Phantasm at some point.
Maybe he thought he might have a chance at taking out all of Herakles 12 lives, and that's why he didn't use Excaliblast, which might not do so and would cost him all his prana (or close enough to).
I suppose we never saw the actual fight, so it's possible he could have used Caliburn as a Broken Phantasm at some point.
Maybe he thought he might have a chance at taking out all of Herakles 12 lives, and that's why he didn't use Excaliblast, which might not do so and would cost him all his prana (or close enough to).
Presuming Archer can trace Excalibur accurately, and is at his full mana capacity, he technically should be able to Excaliblast. Saber's estimated mana level under Rin was, what, 1600? Archer was 1200, which was the same as Shirou!Saber.
In a perfect scenario? Yeah, I'll go out on a limb and say that he can fire that sucker off. He can even draw more power from Rin if he really has to, afterwards, so he's better off than Saber in that regard.
Unfortunately, perfect scenario's don't come along all that often. Accuracy of the image, tracing time, mana level, opponent strategy and collateral damage would all be big considerations.
In a perfect scenario? Yeah, I'll go out on a limb and say that he can fire that sucker off. He can even draw more power from Rin if he really has to, afterwards, so he's better off than Saber in that regard.
Unfortunately, perfect scenario's don't come along all that often. Accuracy of the image, tracing time, mana level, opponent strategy and collateral damage would all be big considerations.
I've noticed that a lot of discussions tend to boil down to this. Really, it's the circumstances that would dictate the outcome more than anything else. Could he do it? Yes. Would it actually happen that way? Probably not. He'd need ideal or nearly ideal circumstances, and you don't get those terribly often.
Of course, knowing Archer, he'd come up with a plan to pull it off, as he's all about setting up ideal circumstances.
Of course, knowing Archer, he'd come up with a plan to pull it off, as he's all about setting up ideal circumstances.