Harry Potter Commissar Potter

[Professional Cynic]

Essentially, Voldie's Avada Kedavra on Harry as he is a child causes enough of a backlash that reality itself breaks down and little Harry is sent hurtling through space and time. Rather than on the doorstep of the Dursleys, he finds himself on another doorstep, that of an Ecclesiarchy Schola Progenium. There he is raised in the ways of the imperium. He lives at the schola before deciding to become a PDF Commissar. He spends a year junior commissar before being assigned to one of the regiments in the world as a full commissar. This could not come at a worse time as Word Bearers are summoned by heretic cults.

The world is embroiled in fighting and Harry sees the worst of it in brutal house to house urban warfare against hordes of cultists and the occasional nightmare of a traitor space astartes in close combat. While fighting, a group of the Sisters of Battle conscript his company (he took over after the captain died) to strike at the heart of the heresy. They load up into gunships and fight their way through to the center of the fortress of Chaos.

There, Harry disrupts the summoning ritual and is sent hurtling back through time and space to a very different wizarding world. Former death eaters lurk behind every corner, the Ministry of Magic grows more and more oppressive, Dumbledore has become a proof that good is not nice. It is into this darkened mirror of the canon wizarding world that Harry, raised in a life of war and strife, is sent. His first instinct is to return to his life as a commissar and his next is to purge the witchcraft with fire and sword. Dumbledore immediately seizes the valuable resource that is Commissar Potter. Stating that he needs no sorcery, Harry does not wish to do this, but Dumbles literally forces him to do this. They finally come to an agreement that Harry will guard Hogwarts and that attacking anyone without good reason will not be tolerated. Following this outline, I got nothing.

 

[Takerial]

The whole premise of the story would be changed that you are no longer talking Harry Potter anymore.

You might as well just write it as orginal fiction.

 

[kestrel404]

Minor issue: Potter would most certainly test positive as a psyker. Accidental magic alone would make it pretty obvious. The first time he turns his teacher's hair blue, he ends up either in a psyker training camp or on a black ship.

 

[snthsnth]

Minor issue: Potter would most certainly test positive as a psyker.? Accidental magic alone would make it pretty obvious.? The first time he turns his teacher's hair blue, he ends up either in a psyker training camp or on a black ship.

Easy solution: Harry is no longer capable of practical magic. Voldie's AK killed off/removed most of his ability, leaving him as a squib. That would leave him as an average person in the eyes of the Imperium.

My issue is how Dumbledore manages to force a commissar to do his bidding.

First, Dumbledore is a psyker, and they NEVER have command. If they start to get too uppity they get shot.

Second, commissars and other high ranking Imperium military have purity seals, some should be able to stop psyker talents, which would stop most magic from affecting them. If Harry had none of them, he'd be very vulnerable to even the slightest spell. For example, the jellylegs jinx would be totally incapacitating.

Third, commissars are evil, just less evil than Chaos/the Eldar/etc. They routinely kill cowards, heretics, and anyone who might be one. If this Harry ever met Draco a summary execution would happen in the first 30 seconds. Why would Dumbles employ someone who's arguably worse than Voldemort?

"I've killed good men for less."
"Killing an enemy is often a part of the job, Harry"
"They were on my side"
"...What?"
"It inspired the rest of the squad to fight thrice as hard. Nine men fought as hard as twenty seven. A net victory."

I'm basing Dumbles on this:

Dumbledore has become a proof that good is not nice.

Does this mean that you have an effective Dumbledore? One who actually does something?

 

[Professional Cynic]

How would Dumbles force a commissar to do his bidding. Beat the shit out of the commissar in a sword fight of course

.The two squared off, archmage with sword and wand in hand and commissar with chainsword and laspistol. They were a battle of opposites, the ancient Dumbledore in his clean white robes and graceful fluid motions as he swung the sword around to get a bit more of a feel for it and young Harry in his black, bloodied, and torn commissar uniform and the brutal simplicity of the chainsword and laspistol. He revved the chainsword, spraying blood and shredded meat from the blade.

"You speak words of falsehood scum; I am not nor have ever been one of your heretical brood. I am Commissar Harold Potter, servant of the God-Emperor of Mankind. I will cleanse your kind with sword and flame."

"But is is true Harry. You are the son of Lilly and James Potter, both skilled magicals or 'psykers' as you call them. You have already seriously wounded several people and are wounded yourself. If you do not cease I will have to put you down like a rabid dog."

"Heretic you may be, that is a fine blade you have. It is like some of the mastercrafted powerswords I have seen. Has it a name?"

"This is the sword of Godric Gryffindor, one of the four founders of Hogwarts. The sword was forged nearly five hundred years ago. It can harness the power of magic itself, making it quite powerful in these aging hands."

"Truly a marvelous weapon. However, I will stand my ground, witch. If you think you can do anything before I blow out the back of your head, you truly are a fool"

Dumbledore closed his eyes for but a moment and he sent a fireball flying from his wand as Harry pulled the trigger of the laspistol. A small hole opened up in the flames as the beam punched through to be spark against a barrier of golden light. The commissar rolled away from the blast and quickly got back on his feet.

"FOR THE EMPEROR!" he cried a charging Harry as the purring of the chainsword turned into a shrieking, wailing roar.

"PETRIFICUS TOTALUS!' cried Dumbledore.

Harry immediately fell to the ground, paralyzed. His eyes still glared defiance. Dumbledore then witnessed something he had never seen anyone do before. Using brute force, Harry shattered the magical bindings of the spell.

"Your sorcery is no match for my armor of contempt," said Harry before jumping into melee range. Dumbledore backstepped, knowing that the sword would easily remove a limb and grind through his protections.

"Catch, Severus," called Dumbledore as he tossed his wand to the potions master. The raven haired man nodded and caught the wand.

"Time to beat you at your own game, whelp."

Dumbledore took the longsword into a two handed grip and thrust forward. The blade crackled with the magical might of its user. Harry deflected the thrust with the side of the chainsword and fired his lasgun from the hip. Beams splashed across the shield of golden light. Dumbledore stepped forward and swung his sword up from the Fool's Guard into the Ox Guard. He then thrust forward. Harry skillfully spun the tip of the sword away from him and replied with a feint to the top which swerved around to disembowel the aging wizard. Dumbledore sensed this and brought the sword down to a Plow Guard and batted away the strike. It was a testament to the aging wizard's strength that the sword was not ripped from his grasp by the blades of the chainsword.

Harry then understood that he could not rely on simple sword techniques against this strange old man; he had to take advantage of the nature of the chainsword. Dumbledore spotted blood seeping from the side of this person who was the son of Lily and James by blood, but the son of cruel world that had molded him into a violent religious fanatic.

Harry slashed diagonally at Dumbledore, chainsword roaring. The white garbed archmage threw his sword up to parry the attack. Harry thumbed a switch along the side of the chainsword as the swords drew closer. The teeth rotated up toward the tip rather than down toward the hilt as they had before. Dumbledore's arm was sent flying with his sword from this unexpected attack. Had Dumbledore not been as skilled as he was, the teeth would have dug into his flesh with violent abandon. However, Dumbledore used the forces of the blow to get himself outside of Harry's guard.

He placed a hand to the Imperial Commissar's wounded side and whispered but one word.

"Reducto."

Harry was sent hurtling out from the concussive magic. He lost his grip on the sword and it's kill switch deactivated the screeching blades. He rolled around on the ground in obvious pain. Dumbledore walked up to the young man. The mortally wounded commissar raised a shaking pistol to try and take the archmage with him. Dumbledore walked around the arm and stomped on the pistol arm with a sickening crunch of broken bones. He extended his hand and the wand flew into his grasp. A blue glow formed around the wand as he repaired the damage caused by his powered-down blasting charm.

"Boy, this is the end to your pointless fighting. There will be much to discuss later, but for now, be silent."

With that, Harry's protests ended as a wand to his head put him to sleep.

 

[snthsnth]

Even if Commissar-Harry was defeated, he would still rather die than act as a heretic. The only way I can see him fighting for Dumbledore is under some sort of super Imperio, magical bindings, or memory modification. As far as a Commissar is concerned, rogue psykers are chaos bait, and should be put down.

Based on the Ruthless-Dumbledore I can't see how Harry would survive as a free entity. Dumbledore couldn't trust his judgement, as everything he saw would be evil to him. Hogwarts itself would be his enemy.

I just can't see a place where they would find common ground. Dumbledore wants Harry for an attack dog of sorts, to defend the wizarding world. Harry wants to destroy the wizarding world. It's like trying to force a Christian to defend the Devil from God.

I could see C-Harry as a rogue agent though. Stumbling across a twelve man Death Eater muggle raid, realizing that they're psykers, killing most of them. Two escape to tell Voldie, C-Harry leaves to patrol another area, but returns to find fifty DMLE aurors and agents scouring the area, obliviating observers and cleaning up the mess. Realizing that he's quite overpowered, he stealthily observes, overhearing a reference to a wizarding pub, the Leaky Cauldron, and it's general location. He also realizes that there is a hidden society of thousands of psykers. He could only kill them all if he was stealthy, and used terrorist style attacks. (bombings, nerve agents, etc.)

Maybe he sanctions a few of them along the way, maybe not.

One thing that I would like cleared up, C-Harry's age. Is he 20ish, older, or younger?

 

[Professional Cynic]

I'm sort of basing C-Harry's actions as similar to those of Guts from Berserk when he is forced to join the Hawks. Ruthless Dumbledore would put a magical binding on C-Harry; he's not stupid, but he is not going to do something as amoral as behavioral or memory modification. Memory and behavior modification would also be likely to have a negative effect on his combat ability. However, I do see Harry as coming to realize at some level that Magic A is not Magic B and that HPverse magic does not draw on the warp and does not come with a risk of daemons, head explosions (outside of certain curses), or worse.

I do see him involved in fighting the Death Eaters, who are still active after Voldemort's demise. He'd probably end up saving some students while tearing apart the Death Eaters which would cause a moral dilema; should he spare the children who obviously see him as their savior for killing the DE's (and because of Dumbledore's bindings) or should he kill them because they are psykers.

The guerilla warfare was what he was trying to do when Dumbledore caught him and smacked him down.

Age would be around twenty-six, young but not too young for him to be an Imperial Commissar.

 

[Raye_Terse]

The only problem I see with the eventual fic is that Harry doesn't have access to an Exterminatus. Which means he'll have to find some other way of instigating the apocalypse.

 

[snthsnth]

I'm sort of basing C-Harry's actions as similar to those of Guts from Berserk when he is forced to join the Hawks. Ruthless Dumbledore would put a magical binding on C-Harry; he's not stupid, but he is not going to do something as amoral as behavioral or memory modification.? Memory and behavior modification would also be likely to have a negative effect on his combat ability. However, I do see Harry as coming to realize at some level that Magic A is not Magic B and that HPverse magic does not draw on the warp and does not come with a risk of daemons, head explosions (outside of certain curses), or worse.

I can't see him willingly cooperating at any level, the bindings would have to control his actions completely, which is effectively controls his mind. He'd likely have a few minutes after awakening from being bound where he struggles against the bindings before he attempts to kill himself. Remember, he was just defeated by what is obviously a high level psyker, and now is enthralled by his sorcery. I think Dumbledore would have to order him to eat, sleep, etc. C-Harry would resist every step of the way, until he was imprisoned in his own mind.

He might even consider himself possessed. He can't control his own actions, and can't really fight back. I can't see him purposefully helping in any way.

I do see him involved in fighting the Death Eaters, who are still active after Voldemort's demise. He'd probably end up saving some students while tearing apart the Death Eaters which would cause a moral dilemma; should he spare the children who obviously see him as their savior for killing the DE's (and because of Dumbledore's bindings) or should he kill them because they are psykers.

The guerrilla warfare was what he was trying to do when Dumbledore caught him and smacked him down.

Age would be around twenty-six, young but not too young for him to be an Imperial Commissar.

There may be a small possibility of him misinterpreting the Death Eater's purpose. If he sees them attacking wizards and assumes that the attack on the muggles was a training exercise for killing other psykers he may assume they are trying to kill every psyker world wide, then kill themselves. An enemy of his enemy, both must be killed, but the DE would help even the odds. Misinterpreting a few 'blood purity' statements would also help.

I just don't see him regarding the students as innocent or harmless. They'd be a real problem if he left them to their own devices. Unbound C-Harry would kill them. After being bound he likely wouldn't be allowed to kill students anyways, so that wouldn't even cause a moral quandary.

At twenty six he'd be well and truly indoctrinated into the life of a Commissar, at that point memory modification would be the only way to start changing his attitude towards wizards.

Another problem is that C-Harry would be targeting civilians. Why would Ruthless-Dumbledore try to recruit him. By that point he'd have killed dozens of wizards and witches. He'd be limited to a small area of operations, likely London, and if he had a reputation it would be as bad as Voldemort. It's more likely that he'd be a shadow, killing groups of two or three when they isolated themselves from Diagon Alley. Most would assume that it was more DE attacks.

You may have a problem with having a R-Dumbledore, DEs would fear him greatly. The Order would similarly be a feared group. DEs would have to be smarter about their attacks, but even then if their identities were known (assuming Snape is still a spy) R-Dumbledore wouldn't have issues with attacking them in their homes. Without Voldemort they would loose their spine, Voldie and Dumbles counter each other. Sure Voldie is slightly less of a threat, but without him the DE wouldn't be a threat. Especially with a spy in their midst. R-Dumbles would gather enough names, pull his spy out, and kill the DEs. Maybe he'd even plan a raid on a DE meeting.

 

[Raye_Terse]

There is a certain something I'd like to clear up a bit before you all continue the debate.

In this idea we're talking about a Commissar who discovers a planet where the psyker population can be listed as an actual percentage of the total population, and where the psyker birthrates are high enough to not only keep the psyker population stable, but also possibly have it grow larger. Heck, not only do they have a stable and quite large psyker population, they also have an actual government. A government which, I might add, cooperates with the normal one to such a degree that it, in select situations, actually has significant say in how the normal government should act! And that's just in the UK.

If this is all correct, could someone please tell me why Harry wouldn't want to kill every person on the entire planet?

 

[Munch]

The only problem I see with the eventual fic is that Harry doesn't have access to an Exterminatus.

You mean other than the sheer mind-bending retardation of the idea in general?

 

[Professional Cynic]

Alright smartass, what are your ideas for making this into an interesting and decent story.

 

[Raye_Terse]

The only problem I see with the eventual fic is that Harry doesn't have access to an Exterminatus.

You mean other than the sheer mind-bending retardation of the idea in general?

Just remarking on empire policy towards planets with an... infestation as big as the one on the Harry Potter earth.

 

[Ordo]

Alright smartass, what are your ideas for making this into an interesting and decent story.

Is it worth it to try?

 

[Professional Cynic]

Sure, I don't mind. I just called out a smartass, Munch, on his BS. Not insulting anyone but him. :lol:

 

[mandrke]

A Commissar of the Most Holy and Most Righteous Imperium of Mankind. (Exept for CIAPHAS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!!!) would upon getting any form of communication to the Most Holy and Most Righteous Navy of the Imperium of Mankind, he would ask for a inquisitor and suggest that a EXTERMINATUS be unleashed.
{END fa/tg/uy RANT}
Wouldn't it be funny if the planet that Harry was sent to was Holy Terra? slightly less than 40K years in the past!
:snigger: :rofl: :lol:

 

[Typhonis]

Could be worse you could have Inquisitor Harry.

 

[Gwyll]

You know, that would offer some idea that might give a Commissar or Inquisitor pause: They are in the past, on Holy Terra, before the Emperor. Would their actions lead to the Imperium or would they prevent the birth of the Emperor?

 

[snthsnth]

A time without the Most Holy Emperor? Heresy! Reasoned discussion? Heresy!! Free thought?! THAT'S EXTRA HERETICAL!!

All psykers on Earth killed themselves in some kind of ritual to join themselves as a single super being: The Emperor. What if it was actually a time traveler who came to the past and made it happen.

The only problem is that he has no knowledge of how it would be done. If he was trained as a psyker he would have something of an idea, but he'd have to be a high level one.

It's probable that he wouldn't even know that the Emperor didn't rule man from the beginning. From what I understand, only scribes, really high level Inquisitors, and Space Marines have any idea of ancient history.

 

[-En-]

.....o.o

Harry wouldn't want to blindly kill everything. He would surmise that the planet is a long lost strain of humanity and thus work to bring it back to the fold. There is much work to do here after all. Unsure of the time line, is it alt universe or reverted timeline ?

If different timeline, why would Harry plan for doomsday, apart from the pure lulz. XD

-you would have to decide if he is totally/fully indoctrinated into the Commissar ideals.

After all, Cain turned out pretty well. So at least some of them have some sense that isnt completely irradicated. In any case, he wont be randomly heading off to kill psykers left and right just yet. Okay, maybe he would if he had no sense of self preservation.

Is is totally commited ?

Or somewhat like Cain who adhere's to the Principal of "Imperium is right!" but less rigid in enforcing it ?

Or ...*gasp* disillusioned!?!? (say Harry has been recruited by a Chaos Cult inside the Schola!, you know they have tentacles everywhere!)

-Still the idea of no Emperor, the sheer scale of that might give Harry an aneurysm, or the illusion of one.

Once he comes to his wits, well...what could happen ?

If you want real madness, have Harry regain his magic and become the future Emperor...or grand father of the Emperor ?

PS - how did the Emperor get all those augments ? I thought it didnt work so well on older people, which is why Chapters recruit young/early adult.

Somebody built him!? Yes!! HERESY. DOWN WITH THE CORPSE GOD!



Or perhaps just another part of the universe..

You could have a Rogue Trader find Harry and ...all hell would break loose. o.o

Who knows. Maybe some have already visited the planet and crashed. Roswell or something else for Britain. Harry escapes Dumbly and is apprehended by the Goverment, at their secret base he starts tinkering about and comes across some tech, records a message and has it set to continually send a loop of the message of all Vox frequencies asking for help...

A traveling Rogue Trader / Imperium ship in the far reaches of the system picks up the transmission...and all hell breaks loose. After all, getting dibs on a new planet is important. You get to name it, yadda yadda yadda or some other stuff. =/

Or maybe a cartel is there already..one of the merchant houses...or something else....a resident chaos cult ? A local chapter of marines which comes to take children for their iniation rites to be inducted into the chapter ?

Apart from that,why would they call down exterminatus, its not like the place classifies as a "moral threat"....oh wait...maybe it does...

Who's to say that the Imperium doesnt already have their eye on earth ?

Unless you have Earth as Terra before the Unification Wars.

But really.

A planet full of pyskers, free, "mostly" from the taint of Chaos.

Plz.

The Inquisition would send entire armada's to secure the solar system and bring the planet to heel.

The Chaos forces need pyskers.

Many cartels could do with unsanctioned pyskers. After all, the Inquisition pretty much holds a monopoly on them and monopolies are...."bad" for business.

Time to break the monopoly ? Some would try.

That and a legion of Black Ships.

They would nicely ask that the ruling goverments bow down and kiss the Imperium's tush with tribute and stuff and barring that, the ruling goverments would be crushed mercilessly in The Emperor's Name, to be brought back from the grips of anarchy and chaos and happily rejoin the race of humanity, ending a dark age since the great Scattering.

"welcome back our long lost brothers and sisters!!!"

-Earth is relatively free of mutation after all, wait, what the hell are those Centaurs, I need air support now, fire on these coordinates!

-Rich in ecology, many people would want to hunt dragons and other "beasts"

-Another human strain to enrich and plough for the Imperium's slave house's...I meant factories!!! I swear! NOOOO I wasn't being subversive, ack!

-A world rich in materials which the Merchant Houses would glady send their finest to rape...oh I mean, "harvest" from the world

Oh yeah, they would erase or try to erase all traces of civilisation, pre-Imperium arrival or something.

Why is everyone screaming exterminatus ?

Suffer not a psyker to live ? Unless you're ALL Adeptas Sorroritas or bitches of the Adeptas Sorroritas, stop screaming Exterminatus. Apart from them, they are pretty ok to accept sanction pyskers, and in many cases, to accept unsanction ones as well.

What a morbid lot you folk are.

The Inquisition needs pyskers. Latent or not.

To train, enslave, study, and use in the war against Chaos, bissect occasionally and trade as cattle to breed more powerful strains in an effect to make more powerful psykers.

With rich psyker populations, some if not many Adeptus Astartes will visit the planet and hold Initiation trials/rites to bolster their ranks.

That said,

I think Exterminatus is cool. Just...not now. Maybe at end of fic.

Yes.

Oh yes. Have the Chaos Powers "discover" Earth.

War. Terror. Mayhem and Destruction.

Have a epic slugfest and bloodbath.

With our Hero, Harold Potter (or whatever his name is) at the center of action. Exploding onto the scene as the Harbinger of the Emperor's Word or some nonsense.

Have him die. o.o

Have the Eclesiarchs build him a shrine, after Beautification of course, he could be the local Saint.

That or have some idiot call down Exterminatus to ensure the Chaos powers down claim Earth.

The Imperium is wasteful. But if it had to chance to rape/pillage a planet with some long lost strain of humanity, they would move to control it and use it.

Exterminatus is reserved for extreme cases / trigger happy Inquisitors.

After all, holding that Rosette effectively means they are an empowered to do, just about anything really.

Oh yeah...the Inquisitor Lords would fight over Earth. The political battles back on Terra that would spawn once they discover a pysker rich world would be insane.

Some would say kill for Chaos Taint, others would ask for slower action to assess the world.

 

[voidseeker]

....what?

 

[Mercsenary]

....what?

:jawdrop:

 

[snthsnth]

Don't forget, they already have enough trained psykers to throw over a hundred thousand at the Astronomican every year. (Where they die.) And they've been doing that at least since the Horus Heresy and possibly before.

Harry wouldn't want to blindly kill everything. He would surmise that the planet is a long lost strain of humanity and thus work to bring it back to the fold. There is much work to do here after all. Unsure of the time line, is it alt universe or reverted timeline ?

The idea was that Harry was from an alternate universe. He wouldn't try to blindly kill everything, but if he is a loyal proper Commissar he'll be trying to get in touch with the Imperium, and putting as many of the locals back on the right (Imperial) track. Assuming this he would need to get the psykers under control somehow.

If he wasn't a good Commissar, either from Chaos taint (possible) or poor indoctrination (unlikely, he was transported as a child, and is now 25ish) than he would either be MORE kill happy (assuming Chaos OR he's just a psycho) or he wouldn't want to fight at all, and would move to a tropical island and party on down.

Losing a connection to Chaos would likely drive him mad though. He'd have seen, done, and been the worst things imaginable, and now it's all gone? Best to make a big sacrifice to be sure. They'll show up if he does the right things. Blood and skulls for Khorne, spread disease and death for Nurgle, complicated plots resulting in countless deaths for Tzeentch, rape, torture, and killing for Slaanesh. If he failed there'd be a few new ghost towns, if he succeeded, oh boy that'd be bad for everyone involved.

 

[-En-]

you know...if he thought they were psykers...wouldnt Harry look for an astropath ?

Losing a connection to Chaos would likely drive him mad though.

I thought only super high levels had a connection to chaos, not he mid-lower level cultists...

Daemon prince Harry ?

Oh yeah.

This I want to see.

 

[snthsnth]

you know...if he thought they were psykers...wouldnt Harry look for an astropath ?

Losing a connection to Chaos would likely drive him mad though.

I thought only super high levels had a connection to chaos, not he mid-lower level cultists...

Daemon prince Harry ?

Oh yeah.

This I want to see.

Astropaths are trained, they don't just happen by accident.

They are chosen from the multitudes of psykers brought to Holy Terra on the Black Ships due to their great power. Once chosen, Astropaths receive psychic training by the Astra Telepathica's teaching division which is known as the Scholastia Psykana, before they are "soul bound" to the Emperor. This ritual transfers some of the Emperor's vast power to the psyker. Such an experience is traumatic for the psyker and not all survive or maintain their sanity. Even the survivors suffer damage to their physical senses, especially their eyes, so that almost all Astropaths are blind. Their increased psychic senses however tend to make up for this loss of sight.

This isn't from a sourcebook though, only from Wikipedia.

I think that even a severed mid level connection would be crippling. Loss of a high level one would be fatal. (like the Thousand Sons) At the least he'd be wide open to Legimency, though anyone who got in wouldn't come out the same.