DEATH MATCH

[The Eromancer]

This is not supposed to make sense, these two would never seriously fight to the death against each other, but at their best, no holding back, and willingly trying to kill the other who would win?

Superman is the same across all DC realities except for Golden Age if I'm not mistaken where he's the lesser powered not broken as shit version. We're assuming he's the broken as shit version here.

Goku does not have a tail to be grabbed so no instant win.

There is no Kyptonite on this fictional planet they have both been teleported too.

There is no way off, not even for superman flying off and Goku can't teleport OFF planet.

Who wins? You decide!

 

[ragnarok1337]

Oh god, not this argument again.

 

[WizardOne]

No.

 

[daniel_gudman]

GHARLANE of EDDORE.

 

[Aarik]

If by, 'broken as shit' you mean Silver age...

Superman wins so damn hard.

It's not even a fight.

Silver age superman can move so fast GOD HAD TO INTERVENE TO STOP HIM BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT TO BREAK THE AFTERLIFE BARRIER AND SEE THINGS MAN WAS NOT MEANT TO KNOW.

He can go from wherever to the end of the universe in less then a second.

He has Super hypnosis, and super weaving and super ventriloquism and super ANYTHING A MAN CAN LEARN HOW TO DO.

He probably even has Super Martial Arts, super better then batman being and super better then you.

He can throw a punch so fast it goes back in time and hits your mother in her pregnant belly, aborting you out of existence.

He can travel through time casually, he literally takes vacations in the past and future, in the silver age. By flying there, not even the movie thing, he just flies forwards and then he's just suddenly in the past/future in the next panel.

In the silver age, the writer of his books did SO MUCH COCAINE it became SUPER COCAINE.

Silver Age Superman was one step from God.

The crisis essentially just happened because superman's writers got off the HARD drugs and realized they had ruined Superman's character by making him so invincible nothing they could think up could even PRETEND to be a threat to him without the Suspension of Disbelief snapping right in half.

 

[WizardOne]

If by, 'broken as shit' you mean Silver age...

Superman wins so damn hard.

It's not even a fight.

Silver age superman can move so fast GOD HAD TO INTERVENE TO STOP HIM BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT TO BREAK THE AFTERLIFE BARRIER AND SEE THINGS MAN WAS NOT MEANT TO KNOW.

He can go from wherever to the end of the universe in less then a second.

He has Super hypnosis, and super weaving and super ventriloquism and super ANYTHING A MAN CAN LEARN HOW TO DO.

He probably even has Super Martial Arts, super better then batman being and super better then you.

He can throw a punch so fast it goes back in time and hits your mother in her pregnant belly, aborting you out of existence.

He can travel through time casually, he literally takes vacations in the past and future, in the silver age. By flying there, not even the movie thing, he just flies forwards and then he's just suddenly in the past/future in the next panel.

In the silver age, the writer of his books did SO MUCH COCAINE it became SUPER COCAINE.

Silver Age Superman was one step from God.

The crisis essentially just happened because superman's writers got off the HARD drugs and realized they had ruined Superman's character by making him so invincible nothing they could think up could even PRETEND to be a threat to him without the Suspension of Disbelief snapping right in half.

We don't care.

 

[whitewhiskey]

To me, this comes down to something simple...

Air.

See, while it's hard to gauge the strength and speed of the fighters against each other, both are damn fast and damn strong. In a battle of titans, there is the very real possibility that the unfortunate world they fight on will be destroyed, in such a case, since, to my knowledge, both of them need to breathe, it would be a matter of how long they can hold their breath before suffocation.

But...

While Superman can probably fly pretty fast, he has a low likelihood of making it to a planet with a proper atmosphere, especially if he needs to stay close enough to a yellow sun to keep his powers.

Goku, on the other hand, has the Instant Transmission ability, shown to reach impossibly far off worlds in seconds.

So, by that logic, I think Goku wins, but he probably wouldn't be happy with that kind of a win.

 

[nick012000]

Silver age superman can move so fast GOD HAD TO INTERVENE TO STOP HIM BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT TO BREAK THE AFTERLIFE BARRIER AND SEE THINGS MAN WAS NOT MEANT TO KNOW.

Well, given how the afterlife works in DBZ, wouldn't he have to be able to do this to stand a chance against Goku being repeatedly resurrected?

 

[GenocideHeart]

To me, this comes down to something simple...

Air.

See, while it's hard to gauge the strength and speed of the fighters against each other, both are damn fast and damn strong. In a battle of titans, there is the very real possibility that the unfortunate world they fight on will be destroyed, in such a case, since, to my knowledge, both of them need to breathe, it would be a matter of how long they can hold their breath before suffocation.

But...

While Superman can probably fly pretty fast, he has a low likelihood of making it to a planet with a proper atmosphere, especially if he needs to stay close enough to a yellow sun to keep his powers.

Goku, on the other hand, has the Instant Transmission ability, shown to reach impossibly far off worlds in seconds.

So, by that logic, I think Goku wins, but he probably wouldn't be happy with that kind of a win.

Uh. Superman can go in space for extended periods just fine. He did make it from Apokolips (on the edge of the known DCverse) to Earth without dying. Just a heads up... Goku's the one who needs air, AND he also needs a ki signature to lock on to use Instant Transmission. That's why he brought Cell to King Kai's planet - he was the only person whose ki signature he knew that was far enough to keep the planet from blowing up.

 

[A Curious Stranger]

To me, this comes down to something simple...

Air.

See, while it's hard to gauge the strength and speed of the fighters against each other, both are damn fast and damn strong. In a battle of titans, there is the very real possibility that the unfortunate world they fight on will be destroyed, in such a case, since, to my knowledge, both of them need to breathe, it would be a matter of how long they can hold their breath before suffocation.

But...

While Superman can probably fly pretty fast, he has a low likelihood of making it to a planet with a proper atmosphere, especially if he needs to stay close enough to a yellow sun to keep his powers.

Goku, on the other hand, has the Instant Transmission ability, shown to reach impossibly far off worlds in seconds.

So, by that logic, I think Goku wins, but he probably wouldn't be happy with that kind of a win.

What are you talking about? Modern Superman flies through space just fine. He routinely travels to other planets holding his breath. Red suns don't even hurt him unless he dives straight into the sun. The yellow suns powers him up, but he's got a whole lot in reserve inside of his body.

 

[whitewhiskey]

To me, this comes down to something simple...

Air.

See, while it's hard to gauge the strength and speed of the fighters against each other, both are damn fast and damn strong. In a battle of titans, there is the very real possibility that the unfortunate world they fight on will be destroyed, in such a case, since, to my knowledge, both of them need to breathe, it would be a matter of how long they can hold their breath before suffocation.

But...

While Superman can probably fly pretty fast, he has a low likelihood of making it to a planet with a proper atmosphere, especially if he needs to stay close enough to a yellow sun to keep his powers.

Goku, on the other hand, has the Instant Transmission ability, shown to reach impossibly far off worlds in seconds.

So, by that logic, I think Goku wins, but he probably wouldn't be happy with that kind of a win.

What are you talking about? Modern Superman flies through space just fine. He routinely travels to other planets holding his breath. Red suns don't even hurt him unless he dives straight into the sun. The yellow suns powers him up, but he's got a whole lot in reserve inside of his body.

Sorry, I'll admit, I'm more of a cartoon guy and any time I've seen him in space for an extended period of time, he had a suit.

 

[daniel_gudman]

Instant Transmission is FTL though.

Goku can turn into Neutrinos and zap to another planet next to his super friends.

Maybe Superman can fly in space etc, but he's got some super-boring years of crossing featureless interstellar void in front of him. Well, he might experience some Lorentz dilation?

...

I just realized what a super-dumb argument I'm making.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Instant Transmission is FTL though.

Goku can turn into Neutrinos and zap to another planet next to his super friends.

Maybe Superman can fly in space etc, but he's got some super-boring years of crossing featureless interstellar void in front of him. Well, he might experience some Lorentz dilation?

...

I just realized what a super-dumb argument I'm making.

Considering that pre-Crisis Superman raced the motherfucking Flash to the other side of the Universe and WON, FTL is entirely within his possibilities.

 

[A Curious Stranger]

Instant Transmission is FTL though.

Goku can turn into Neutrinos and zap to another planet next to his super friends.

Maybe Superman can fly in space etc, but he's got some super-boring years of crossing featureless interstellar void in front of him. Well, he might experience some Lorentz dilation?

...

I just realized what a super-dumb argument I'm making.

Superman grabbed Darkseid during a fight on Earth, flew to the edge of the universe and slammed him into the Source Wall, the physical boundary in DC that's placed at the end of the universe to separate it from the Multiverse. And then he flew back home.

In a few minutes.

 

[daniel_gudman]

So, so dumb.

 

[whitewhiskey]

Instant Transmission is FTL though.

Goku can turn into Neutrinos and zap to another planet next to his super friends.

Maybe Superman can fly in space etc, but he's got some super-boring years of crossing featureless interstellar void in front of him. Well, he might experience some Lorentz dilation?

...

I just realized what a super-dumb argument I'm making.

Considering that pre-Crisis Superman raced the motherfucking Flash to the other side of the Universe and WON, FTL is entirely within his possibilities.

Would it matter that Goku's Instant Transmission doesn't seem to be bound to a specific reality/realm/dimension? He does regularly use it to travel to the afterlife/King Yama's/King Kai's/Grand Kai's/Supreme Kai's place. And, if he is stronger than Gotenks, he could, theoretically, scream a rip in the fabric of space/time like Buu and Gotenks did.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Instant Transmission is FTL though.

Goku can turn into Neutrinos and zap to another planet next to his super friends.

Maybe Superman can fly in space etc, but he's got some super-boring years of crossing featureless interstellar void in front of him. Well, he might experience some Lorentz dilation?

...

I just realized what a super-dumb argument I'm making.

Considering that pre-Crisis Superman raced the motherfucking Flash to the other side of the Universe and WON, FTL is entirely within his possibilities.

Would it matter that Goku's Instant Transmission doesn't seem to be bound to a specific reality/realm/dimension? He does regularly use it to travel to the afterlife/King Yama's/King Kai's/Grand Kai's/Supreme Kai's place. And, if he is stronger than Gotenks, he could, theoretically, scream a rip in the fabric of space/time like Buu and Gotenks did.

Goku is dead whenever he moves to and from the actual afterlife - King Kai's planet being part of it is debatable at best since Bubbles is most definitely neither a God nor dead, so its presence there makes no sense.

Also, Superman can go to and from Bizarro Earth without issue, and has been known to go in and out of HELL by flying real fast. So they're pretty much even.

Also, IT requires Goku to KNOW someone's ki signature and be able to perceive it. He outright states he needs a familiar ki signature to do it if he isn't going by sight.

 

[A Curious Stranger]

Instant Transmission is FTL though.

Goku can turn into Neutrinos and zap to another planet next to his super friends.

Maybe Superman can fly in space etc, but he's got some super-boring years of crossing featureless interstellar void in front of him. Well, he might experience some Lorentz dilation?

...

I just realized what a super-dumb argument I'm making.

Considering that pre-Crisis Superman raced the motherfucking Flash to the other side of the Universe and WON, FTL is entirely within his possibilities.

Would it matter that Goku's Instant Transmission doesn't seem to be bound to a specific reality/realm/dimension? He does regularly use it to travel to the afterlife/King Yama's/King Kai's/Grand Kai's/Supreme Kai's place. And, if he is stronger than Gotenks, he could, theoretically, scream a rip in the fabric of space/time like Buu and Gotenks did.

It wouldn't matter because the OP mentioned the 'broken as shit version' which runs the gamut between Silver Age Superman, Superman with the Sword of Superman, Superman Prime, Superman One Million, Thought Robot Superman, etc... which basically all can be summed up as God or very close to it.

Goku's a really strong fighter and such, but when it comes to top tier showings, Superman takes the cake. If this was modern Superman and Goku it's a closer match. At their highest showings? No contest.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Instant Transmission is FTL though.

Goku can turn into Neutrinos and zap to another planet next to his super friends.

Maybe Superman can fly in space etc, but he's got some super-boring years of crossing featureless interstellar void in front of him. Well, he might experience some Lorentz dilation?

...

I just realized what a super-dumb argument I'm making.

Considering that pre-Crisis Superman raced the motherfucking Flash to the other side of the Universe and WON, FTL is entirely within his possibilities.

Would it matter that Goku's Instant Transmission doesn't seem to be bound to a specific reality/realm/dimension? He does regularly use it to travel to the afterlife/King Yama's/King Kai's/Grand Kai's/Supreme Kai's place. And, if he is stronger than Gotenks, he could, theoretically, scream a rip in the fabric of space/time like Buu and Gotenks did.

It wouldn't matter because the OP mentioned the 'broken as shit version' which runs the gamut between Silver Age Superman, Superman with the Sword of Superman, Superman Prime, Superman One Million, Thought Robot Superman, etc... which basically all can be summed up as God or very close to it.

Goku's a really strong fighter and such, but when it comes to top tier showings, Superman takes the cake. If this was modern Superman and Goku it's a closer match. At their highest showings? No contest.

The most broken version of Superman was basically a Mary Sue. You think of it, he could do it. Even theoretically impossible stuff like beating the Flash in a race (since, you know, one of the Flash's powers is to TAKE AWAY speed from others, meaning you flat out can't be faster than he is unless he's allowing you to)...

 

[TC_Hazard]

Superman is the same across all DC realities except for Golden Age if I'm not mistaken where he's the lesser powered not broken as shit version.? We're assuming he's the broken as shit version here.

There are several versions. You have Pre Crisis, Post Crisis, Nu, not counting animated adaptations and alternate realities.

Anyway, here's the gist of it.

Superman had had and will have stupid writers (Not saying all are bad though. Far from it).

Writers that without any thought of how people from Batman and Wonder Woman are supposed to matter, make Superman do all sort stupid stuff that makes no sense at all. Alternatively they pull a Morrison, in which the writing is better but you still have Superman doing stupid overpowered stuff.

As an aside, as much as I didn't like DC taking Wally out of the spotlight in favor of Barry I did get a kick out of him saying "Those races were for charity, Clark," and promptly leaving Superman in his dust.

 

[burnerx7]

The guys from death battle said that they would use all canon from Goku except the tings that go directly against the manga (that means most of the movies and GT)

As for Superman they will use all canon in comics except silver age, still pre new52 Superman so he continues to be broken like hell and the preview they liberated seems to be modern Superman pre New52 Sups.

That means standar strenght about 55 or so pentallions of TON (1/3 of the mass of earth) FTL flight and durable enough to be in a Supernova and survive.

 

[TC_Hazard]

durable enough to be in a Supernova and survive.

You know I never got why some people consider this impressive.

It's his power source.

I mean yeah you can say red sun, but then it is just stupid. Really stupid.

 

[whitewhiskey]

durable enough to be in a Supernova and survive.

You know I never got why some people consider this impressive.

It's his power source.

I mean yeah you can say red sun, but then it is just stupid. Really stupid.

Well, to nitpick, I don't think any yellow sun goes supernova, since Supernova's occur very late in a stars lifetime and the yellow stage of a sun is typically earlier to mid lifetime, if I remember my classes right.

 

[TC_Hazard]

durable enough to be in a Supernova and survive.

You know I never got why some people consider this impressive.

It's his power source.

I mean yeah you can say red sun, but then it is just stupid. Really stupid.

Well, to nitpick, I don't think any yellow sun goes supernova, since Supernova's occur very late in a stars lifetime and the yellow stage of a sun is typically earlier to mid lifetime, if I remember my classes right.

Pretty much. A red sun goes supernova. However a red sun is not a supernova. It is more accurate (but still off) to compare it to the brightest sun given the power it puts out.

So you can basically go, It may have been a Red sun, but now it is a supernova. Red sun weakness needs not apply.

Or you can say it counts as red sun radiation. In which case you have to deal with the varying explanations of just how red sun weakness works. Most common on this subject are:

a)Red sun radiation actively weakens him
b ) Superman absorbs red sunlight but it just doesn't pack enough punch to power him up, which means he ends up powerless once the yellow sunlight in his system is used up.

In case of b, a Supernova definitely has enough power to power Supes up.

In case of a, you are arguing Superman is capable of taking an explosion that can outshine a galaxy while being as weak as a human...

 

[whitewhiskey]

durable enough to be in a Supernova and survive.

You know I never got why some people consider this impressive.

It's his power source.

I mean yeah you can say red sun, but then it is just stupid. Really stupid.

Well, to nitpick, I don't think any yellow sun goes supernova, since Supernova's occur very late in a stars lifetime and the yellow stage of a sun is typically earlier to mid lifetime, if I remember my classes right.

Pretty much. A red sun goes supernova. However a red sun is not a supernova. It is more accurate (but still off) to compare it to the brightest sun given the power it puts out.

So you can basically go, It may have been a Red sun, but now it is a supernova. Red sun weakness needs not apply.

Or you can say it counts as red sun radiation. In which case you have to deal with the varying explanations of just how red sun weakness works. Most common on this subject are:

a)Red sun radiation actively weakens him
b ) Superman absorbs red sunlight but it just doesn't pack enough punch to power him up, which means he ends up powerless once the yellow sunlight in his system is used up.

In case of b, a Supernova definitely has enough power to power Supes up.

In case of a, you are arguing Superman is capable of taking an explosion that can outshine a galaxy while being as weak as a human...

Or, it may count as some other spectrum point. Has superman been exposed to other sun colors? Blue Giants? White Dwarfs? Brown Dwarfs? Would a Red Dwarf affect him like an actual red sun?

Something else I'd be curious about, Supes has a weakness to magic, what would ki attacks count as? Would the Spirit Bomb count as a spell? Would a Distructo Disk cut the man of steel?