Nasuverse Final Judgment

[GenocideHeart]

This idea is best described by quoting and replacing a couple names:

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Shirou: When the injustice is great enough, Justice will lend me the strength needed to correct it. None may stand against it. It will shatter every barrier, sunder any shield, tear through any enchantment, and lend its servant the power to pass sentence. Know this: There is nothing on all the Planes that can stay the hand of Justice when it is brought against them. It may unmake armies. It may sunder the thrones of gods. Know that for all who betray Justice, I am their fate. And fate carries an executioner's axe.
Saber: I see.
Shirou: No, you do not see. Pray you never will.

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So basically, yeah - what if Shirou's Hero of Justice thing was less Lawful <s>Stupid</s> Good and more Lawful Neutral, which is the default Mercykiller's, and especially Vhailor's, alignment? More, what if he made the Mercykiller creed his own?

The giant fuckoff axe is optional, but recommended. :snigger:

Discuss.

 

[shout27]

Well, he'd definitely be an asshole when he starts fighting. . . other than that, I don't see much of a change in strength happening, unless he spends some time in the Planes learning first hand that Belief is Reality.

 

[Muramasa]

Hmm... I'm unfamiliar with the crossover/fusion but I agree there probably wouldn't be much change.

Shirou's reality marble would probably be a bit different. Saber's opinion of Shirou would probably remain neutral.

 

[GenocideHeart]

A few things of note:

First off, the basic Mercykiller creed, which is what Shirou'd be based off, is that 'to err is human, to punish is divine'. There is no room for mercy in a Mercykiller's job, because mercy, in their eyes, just encourages evil instead of CULLING it. Punishment is the way to enlightenment, and as such, ALL criminals should be punished harshly, even if the crime is minor.

Vhailor: "Let my words carry you: JUSTICE is a TEACHER. In your PUNISHMENT, gain STRENGTH. Through your PUNISHMENT, achieve PERFECTION."

Law is to be enforced, and Justice is paramount. It's no about protecting the weak, but about enforcing absolute justice. As long as you don't go against the law and justice a Mercykiller follows, you could rape a puppy and get away with it.

That brings me to the second point - what set of laws should Shirou follow? Because, since Law is the driving force behind a Mercykiller's dispensing of justice, this is a very important detail.

Also, Saber hovers between Lawful Good and Lawful Neutral herself, so while she'd see him in a different light, she'd probably still get along with him. He'd probably try to exterminate Rider immediately for that stunt she pulled with Blood Fort Andromeda, though.

 

[Delta Green Friendly]

This needs a cameo by the Nameless One... Or Mort. For the Lulz.

Seriously, interesting idea. Mayhap Shirou could follow the extraordinarily exigent code of Vhailor himself, rather then any set of mortal laws.

Shirou's Reality Marble would probably end up being something like... well... Final Judgment.

 

[shout27]

A few things of note:

First off, the basic Mercykiller creed, which is what Shirou'd be based off, is that 'to err is human, to punish is divine'. There is no room for mercy in a Mercykiller's job, because mercy, in their eyes, just encourages evil instead of CULLING it. Punishment is the way to enlightenment, and as such, ALL criminals should be punished harshly, even if the crime is minor.

Vhailor: "Let my words carry you: JUSTICE is a TEACHER. In your PUNISHMENT, gain STRENGTH. Through your PUNISHMENT, achieve PERFECTION."

Law is to be enforced, and Justice is paramount. It's no about protecting the weak, but about enforcing absolute justice. As long as you don't go against the law and justice a Mercykiller follows, you could rape a puppy and get away with it.

That brings me to the second point - what set of laws should Shirou follow? Because, since Law is the driving force behind a Mercykiller's dispensing of justice, this is a very important detail.

Also, Saber hovers between Lawful Good and Lawful Neutral herself, so while she'd see him in a different light, she'd probably still get along with him. He'd probably try to exterminate Rider immediately for that stunt she pulled with Blood Fort Andromeda, though.

May just be my inner fanboy, but I do like Rider/Medea for some reason. . . so I still see him going directly after Shinji when he learns of Rider's status as a Servant.

Otherwise, I so want to see someone defeat his point of view with logic/wisdom, only to have him attack them for 'twisting his words' like Vhailor does to the Nameless One. . .

 

[GenocideHeart]

Shirou's Reality Marble would probably end up being something like... well... Final Judgment.

Panorama of Axes instead of Panorama of Swords?

 

[FH_Meta]

Perhaps there's also armored police golems involved?

 

[Amodelsino]

Was the idea simply that something would cause Shirou to follow a belief similar to Vhailor's? Or an actual crossover with D&D/Planescape?

While I'm sure it's possible to make the second work, it would take some effort for it to not end up shit. The former on the other hand, probably isn't big enough a change to be all that interesting. As part of a fic with a lot of other changes? Yes. Stand alone? No.

An actual Mercykiller!Shirou could end up Epic, especially given that the kind of power Vhailor ended up with would fit right in with overpowered people like Arturia and Gil. A Shirou simply following a similar belief to the Mercykillers could be cool, but it wouldn't stop him getting his ass handed to him in every fight.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Hmm, well, technically Sigil is a crossroads of universes, so it having an one-way exit to the Nasuverse is entirely possible. D&D does address the possibility of Planes that are normally impossible to access and separated from other Planes by a particularly strong dimensional veil. But it also implies that under the right circumstances, ALL veils can be pierced.

Secondly, the Nasuverse seems to have a lesser variation of the 'Belief IS Power' mantra that permeates the Planescape setting - Reality Marbles themselves could be considered an exercise of mind over matter. And not unlike Vhailor in particular, Shirou also seems to draw strength from his beliefs, though not to the point of being able to kill a practical God - just enough to still fight where anyone else would be keeling over dead in his place. Part of it may be Avalon's doing, but the majority of it, IMHO, is sheer muleheaded stubbornness and adamant belief that his path is the right one.

That's what inspired me to write down this idea's details in the first place.