For the greater good
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I can't remember which issue exactly, but Iron Man hired the Crimson Dynamo to "try" to assassinate Tony Stark, a ploy which he used to get Peter Parker to speak on behalf of the Superhero Registration Act as Spiderman. It was convoluted and a very dangerous political/social move, but it worked.
I say, "Nay, the end does not justify the means", in this instance.
But also, Tony Stark wholly overreacted when Peter Parker said he was leaving the side of the gov't and the Superhero registrars (name?) and damn near killed Peter while stopping him from leaving.
I say, "Nay, the end does not justify the means", in this instance.
But also, Tony Stark wholly overreacted when Peter Parker said he was leaving the side of the gov't and the Superhero registrars (name?) and damn near killed Peter while stopping him from leaving.
It annoys me that people overlook the fact that the Extremis armor causes extensive mental damage, paranoia, delusions, and mild psychosis to those who use it for extended periods of time.
Do remember that Stark wasn't in his right mind during the events of Civil War before lynching him, if you please.
Also, "do the ends justify the means" is a terrible question to ask, as it's something that can only be ruled on a case-by-case basis.
Do remember that Stark wasn't in his right mind during the events of Civil War before lynching him, if you please.
Also, "do the ends justify the means" is a terrible question to ask, as it's something that can only be ruled on a case-by-case basis.
Lord Raine, thats an excuse, pure and simple.
the reason being while we the reader can use extermis to explain starks actions the writer of civil war did not use the extermis as an explaination. therefore unless they set out and claim insanity in universe it's a fanon assumption.
also it would do you good to remember who wrote civil war.
mark millar the sour brit who is known for his over the top OOC'ing of characters as he writes
heck i remembered when he forgot he was writing 616 captain america and started writing ultimate captain america in one issue of civil war, i was just waiting for him to start screaming 'you think this A on my head stands for france?'
the reason being while we the reader can use extermis to explain starks actions the writer of civil war did not use the extermis as an explaination. therefore unless they set out and claim insanity in universe it's a fanon assumption.
also it would do you good to remember who wrote civil war.
mark millar the sour brit who is known for his over the top OOC'ing of characters as he writes
heck i remembered when he forgot he was writing 616 captain america and started writing ultimate captain america in one issue of civil war, i was just waiting for him to start screaming 'you think this A on my head stands for france?'
Actually, you're incorrect in that regard.
The incident in question happened in the Amazing Spider-man just before the whole Stamford disaster(can't remember which issue exactly)....and the tactic/ploy was meant to stave off the senate from passing the bill for superhuman registration. And thanks to Spider-man's convincing speech in front of the senate...he actually succeeded in making them re-consider passing the bill. Of course, that all changed when the stamford disaster happened and the new warriors were caught on tape f*cking up to the whole world (for ratings no less!! :no: ).
At that point, Tony realized that with the the outrage and paranoia of the American people adding fuel to the fire....there was no stopping the government from passing the bill. Therefore, he decided to instead spear-head the whole registration act as a figurehead (rallying force) in order to smooth the process and reduce the amount of casualties to the minimum. He did not expect however for Captain America to overreact in such a fashion, and act as a figurehead (rallying force) for the anti-registration.
In fact, you could say that it was Cap's fault for escalating the entire situation. There would not have been so many people against the registration act if Cap hadn't decided to throw a tantrum like he did.
Note: The supervillain he hired to do the deed was Titanium Man (Russian Iron-man)....not Crimsom Dynamo (Chinese Iron-man).
The Marvel civil War is rather intersting because it shows that people would rather choose security over liberty or what is right.
Considering that the answer of the US governement over the mutant issue was something straight of the 3rd reich's Book, had Stark not been here to smooth the registration, They would have sent Sentinel after the super-heroes.
Tony Stark was struck with a painful choice, the Devil or the Deep Blue. Neitherless, it doesn't excuse Stark from being an hypocritic Jerk.
Here people who have risked their life, known painful loss and fought for making a difference and probably saved the world dozen upon dozen of time. This people are treated like criminal, stripped from their basic civil rights, hunted down like animals and tortured to insanity in concentration camp.
Pretty view of mankind.
Maybe Galactus should have paid a visit to remind Mankind the reality of the Universe where they live.
Considering that the answer of the US governement over the mutant issue was something straight of the 3rd reich's Book, had Stark not been here to smooth the registration, They would have sent Sentinel after the super-heroes.
Tony Stark was struck with a painful choice, the Devil or the Deep Blue. Neitherless, it doesn't excuse Stark from being an hypocritic Jerk.
Here people who have risked their life, known painful loss and fought for making a difference and probably saved the world dozen upon dozen of time. This people are treated like criminal, stripped from their basic civil rights, hunted down like animals and tortured to insanity in concentration camp.
Pretty view of mankind.
Maybe Galactus should have paid a visit to remind Mankind the reality of the Universe where they live.
Lolwut
Chinese?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Dynamo
You are thinking about Ultimates. Civil War is Earth-616, the canon marvelverse. Confused much?
The first Dynamo was Anton Vanko. I dunno about you, but that name doesn't sound Chinese much.
In fact, the 616-universe Crimson Dynamo (ie, canon) has ALWAYS been a Soviet superhero. -_-
You are reading waaaay too much Ultimates.
Chinese?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Dynamo
You are thinking about Ultimates. Civil War is Earth-616, the canon marvelverse. Confused much?
The first Dynamo was Anton Vanko. I dunno about you, but that name doesn't sound Chinese much.
In fact, the 616-universe Crimson Dynamo (ie, canon) has ALWAYS been a Soviet superhero. -_-
You are reading waaaay too much Ultimates.
GenocideHeart said:
Lolwut
Chinese?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Dynamo
You are thinking about Ultimates. Civil War is Earth-616, the canon marvelverse. Confused much?
The first Dynamo was Anton Vanko. I dunno about you, but that name doesn't sound Chinese much.
In fact, the 616-universe Crimson Dynamo (ie, canon) has ALWAYS been a Soviet superhero. -_-
You are reading waaaay too much Ultimates.
Chinese?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Dynamo
You are thinking about Ultimates. Civil War is Earth-616, the canon marvelverse. Confused much?
The first Dynamo was Anton Vanko. I dunno about you, but that name doesn't sound Chinese much.
In fact, the 616-universe Crimson Dynamo (ie, canon) has ALWAYS been a Soviet superhero. -_-
You are reading waaaay too much Ultimates.
I've never read Crimsom Dynamo in the 616 Universe before....the only version I'm familiar with is the one from Ultimates 2. (Considering how many people have taken the name over the years...I'm sort of glad I didn't)
If you're looking for a good issue for why Iron Man and Captain America did what they did that had them fairly in character.... I personally thought that one of the best arguments that both Iron-Man and Captain America had for and against the registration act was in the Civil War one shot: "Iron Man / Captain America: Casualties of War".
The premise of the book occurs after Civil War issue 3 (or was it 4?) where Iron-man and Cap had a secret meeting under the ruins of the old avengers mansion in order to have one last chance to talk it out.
It's a fairly good issue that had both men bringing out some solid arguments with various examples of past Marvel history support their cause.