For the Love of a Princess

tetrambs

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#76
Just found your fic this morning and I am most impressed. Keep up the good work.

Any chance for some citrus in the near future?

I felt that the bit with the black powder is a little much. I understand that the main character must have some sort of edge to give him a chance against the obstacles he must overcome. But it came and went with little notice or impact, seemed unnecessary.
 

drakensis

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#77
tetrambs said:
Just found your fic this morning and I am most impressed. Keep up the good work.

Any chance for some citrus in the near future?

I felt that the bit with the black powder is a little much. I understand that the main character must have some sort of edge to give him a chance against the obstacles he must overcome. But it came and went with little notice or impact, seemed unnecessary.
In order:

Thanks

Events of citrus ratings? Oh yes. Me showing you them? Much less likely.

Well, the Fire Nation has explosives already so someone messing around with it is eccentric, but hardly shocking. And at the moment all he's done is some early experimenting. It'll be a while before Liao can do anything useful with it.
 

tetrambs

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#78
You'll have to point out to me where the fire nation uses explosive ordinance, I haven't seen the series in quite a while (note to self re-watch avatar). I know they have flaming boulders of flaming doom, but I think that explosives would have completely decimated their opponents by that point in the series.

The main character certainly needs an edge to give the reader hope, but seeing it come about with little or no explanation kind of turns me off... don't know why.
 

drakensis

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#79
tetrambs said:
You'll have to point out to me where the fire nation uses explosive ordinance, I haven't seen the series in quite a while (note to self re-watch avatar). I know they have flaming boulders of flaming doom, but I think that explosives would have completely decimated their opponents by that point in the series.

The main character certainly needs an edge to give the reader hope, but seeing it come about with little or no explanation kind of turns me off... don't know why.
Blasting Jelly is used at least twice in the first season - by Jet to blow up a dam and by pirates to blow up Zuko's ship.

And the Fire Nation cultural festival in the episode where Aang meets Jeong Jeong has large numbers of fireworks.

The thing about explanations is, what you're seeing now is the explanation and build up. Foreshadowing, if you will.

First Liao checks the existence and type of black powder, back when he raids the library at the Fire Palace. Then he buys some damaged fireworks. Then he does something - soaking, baking and grinding - to improve the potency.

If he just whipped out a machinegun and started wiping out firebenders in job lots, I'd agree. Too much, too fast, no build up. This is slow and to be honest, difficult. Nor is it going to be a superweapon.
 

Mercsenary

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#80
Besides Im pretty sure the black powder he was curing probably isnt all that good form making big explosion.


Okay so maybe it is but probably a lot of light a lot of sound and a lot of smoke.

this is of course assuming its not propelling someone...
 

Lanceavalon

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#81
drakensis said:
tetrambs said:
You'll have to point out to me where the fire nation uses explosive ordinance, I haven't seen the series in quite a while (note to self re-watch avatar).á I know they have flaming boulders of flaming doom, but I think that explosives would have completely decimated their opponents by that point in the series.

The main character certainly needs an edge to give the reader hope, but seeing it come about with little or no explanation kind of turns me off... don't know why.
Blasting Jelly is used at least twice in the first season - by Jet to blow up a dam and by pirates to blow up Zuko's ship.

And the Fire Nation cultural festival in the episode where Aang meets Jeong Jeong has large numbers of fireworks.

The thing about explanations is, what you're seeing now is the explanation and build up. Foreshadowing, if you will.

First Liao checks the existence and type of black powder, back when he raids the library at the Fire Palace. Then he buys some damaged fireworks. Then he does something - soaking, baking and grinding - to improve the potency.

If he just whipped out a machinegun and started wiping out firebenders in job lots, I'd agree. Too much, too fast, no build up. This is slow and to be honest, difficult. Nor is it going to be a superweapon.
At best by the end of the story I could see him have a revolver and even that would be pushing it.

Merc: As for black powder its explosive power has more to do with compression then anything else. So really it would work better then anything currently in the show for frag grenades and, if they have the ability to precision forge steel in a small enough size, pistols.
 

Lost Star

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#82
Heh, a pistol would be interesting, but to be frank it would probably be more novelty than anything else. However, bombs would be interesting and useful if you need massive destruction somewhere.
 

grant

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#83
Admittedly the SI of a fan might not know this, but with even a crude mixture he has to worry about blasting his own hands off.
 

drakensis

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#84
Liao has in mind what he considers to be sensible precautions. And as seen, Azula is requiring that he take more precautions. But yes, when working with explosives, there is always a risk.

That's actually one reason he's inventing corned powder (that's what the process he's using produces): It's significantly safer than the existing mixed powder.

And really, given the number of people (including Liao) who are essentially flamethrowers, added to those who are water cannon or one-man wrecking balls, musketry is rather unlikely to overturn the balance of power.
 

Draculthemad

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#85
"musketry is rather unlikely to overturn the balance of power"

It depends. If he actually invents other things like rifles with minie-balls, a peasant could conceivably have greater range than a trained noble with bending.
 

Prince Charon

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#86
Draculthemad said:
"musketry is rather unlikely to overturn the balance of power"

It depends. If he actually invents other things like rifles with minie-balls, a peasant could conceivably have greater range than a trained noble with bending.
That's an important point. MiniÚ balls would probably be easier to produce than rifles, but a good black powder rifle, like the .50-90 Sharps, can have an effective range of over 1500 yards. Even a not so great rifle could make a few hundred yards, which is, IIRC, a bit beyond most or all of the canon nobles (haven't seen many episodes, so I could be wrong).
 

Lost Star

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#87
Prince Charon said:
Draculthemad said:
"musketry is rather unlikely to overturn the balance of power"

It depends. If he actually invents other things like? rifles with minie-balls, a peasant could conceivably have greater range than a trained noble with bending.
That's an important point. MiniÚ balls would probably be easier to produce than rifles, but a good black powder rifle, like the .50-90 Sharps, can have an effective range of over 1500 yards. Even a not so great rifle could make a few hundred yards, which is, IIRC, a bit beyond most or all of the canon nobles (haven't seen many episodes, so I could be wrong).
*Snorts* Good luck getting the background materials and proficiencies for that. Best case you have something decent in a decade, and then you can attempt to train someone.

By the way, those ranges are optimized. Snipers are probably capable of doing it, but your average Joe is probably going to be proficient at hitting something around 100 yards at best. The only time firearms are going to surpass bending is when you hit the Gatling stage, and that requires a lot of research and development. Hell, bending would still have a chance of beating that, if they pick up guerrilla style warfare.

Tactically being able to use the very elements to fight is probably on par with our modern day fighting, if it's used right. However, gunpowder would even the playing field by a fair amount.
 

grant

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#88
Have to agree on this one. Despite what Robert Jordan may have thought, initial efforts to make a firearm (musket OR anything else) below the level of a cannon wouldn't be doable. There's also cultural resistance, even with a dwindling population of firebenders I can't see them agreeing to share the stage with the common soldiery. If firearms are introduced, it'll have to be justified by rule of cool.
Explosives are a completely different matter, if they have the institutional knowledge of how to make fireworks it's not that far a step to mortars (presuming they have a good enough knowledge of mathematics) and hand grenades.


Also rifles are straight out. Even when knowledge about rifling was more common (late 18th century and into the 19th) it was still too difficult and expensive for military. It might be plausible for a sniper, but at that point it makes more sense to go with crossbows.


Come to think of it, what about using the Yuyan archers? They're fairly competent compared to the average Fire Nation mooks.
 

image

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#89
At this point it is possible to make primitive but effective hand grenades and weapons described as fire lances. Maltese Knights used the m to great affect during the Turks assault of Malta.
 

drakensis

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#90
Rifles, and by extension the minie are right out, which makes range* no better than firebending - and possibly worse.

Mass production is one of those things that the Fire Nation can do, but Liao doesn't see any need to mess with.


* with any viable accuracy
 
#91
drakensis said:
Rifles, and by extension the minie are right out, which makes range* no better than firebending - and possibly worse.

Mass production is one of those things that the Fire Nation can do, but Liao doesn't see any need to mess with.


* with any viable accuracy
Do not confuse Rifles and Muskets, drakensis. The Rifle's barrel is, as written on the tin, rifled to provide accuracy beyond the 100 meters of most muskets. And by accuracy, I do mean reliably hitting the target; Riflemen were the Snipers of the Napoleonic Era and many, many officers were killed by a well placed rifle shot from ranges beyond that of a single fire bender (if IIRC from the series).

Mortars would be incredibly useful and comparatively exceedingly easy to make, I agree. After all, a great big ball of flames is easy to see... but, to paraphrase "All Quiet on the Western Front", it's not the big whistling shells that are dangerous, it's the little bastards you almost can't hear that kill you. Cannons would also be far more efficient on a ship then the big catapults flinging around said great big balls of flames. I do feel for the poor Water Tribes raiders to come across the first Fire Nation Ship of the Line or Pre-Dreadnought battleship with a comparative amount of guns. Imagine their reaction to the first broadside.

The Fire Nation even has the metallurgy to make far greater quality steel or cast iron then the primitive 13th century cannons that first appeared in Europe. If I recall correctly from the series, they should be able to produce steel equivalent to 16th or 17th century tech, but with primitive Industrial Revolution production capacity. Why only 16th or 17th century? Because it is a little known fact that the perfection of steel making came from need to produce better and more reliable cannons, rather then armours or ships.

I also thought about something that was first brought up on SB.com, the "would you reveal your RL origin and how" question to be precise. It is mostly in relation to the introduction of new technologies and such, to support why the SI would make steps to research such tech. Basically, it would rely on first not being asked about it, but if questioned on it say that, during the coma, the SI saw another life, another place. Almost as if he really lived it (and in this case the SI really did, but the locals don't need to know that) and he's trying to replicate the things he saw or read about in the history books in that other life. Stressing that he knows it was a dream, but it bears investigation at least, especially as there was no bending in that dream world, yet their capabilities were greater then even the Fire Nation. And then support said tales with examples of the lesser tech that work. Produce a working fire lance and point out that with the basic principle figured out, it's only a matter of refining the concept till it reaches the point he saw in his dream. Produce a working prototype like the Wrights plane and point out that with refining the Fire Nation could become the masters of the sky. If spun right, the SI could even say that, perhaps some spirits don't want the Avatar to win and would prefer that the Fire Nation does (blatantly untrue, but the SI would be spinning like a goddamn dervish at that point.).
 

drakensis

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#92
:headbanger:

I am fully aware of the distinction between a musket and a rifle, thank you. BECAUSE Liao is NOT going to create rifles so the range advantages they would confer are not relevant. That's why I said they were going to be 'right out' as in, not appearing in this fic.

Liao is interested in creating something useful and passably deadly for the purposes of self-defense. He does NOT want to turn the war on its head and give the Fire Nation even more advantages.

Besides which, rifling is beyond his personal ability to manufacture. Liao isn't an engineer, he just happens to know a few things tha work.
 

drakensis

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#93
The explosion of fire didnÆt stop us entirely, although it half-stunned me and I suspect that having me slammed against her by its force did much the same to Mai. It did slow us enough that we didnÆt sail into what would have been a quite fatal drop û we were still well above the cityÆs buildings and the shallowness of the chute at this point was relative only to that higher up, IÆd have guessed at easily a forty-five degree gradiant.

Liao and Mai both had the same training in handling a fall, even one resulting from such bizarre circumstances. Fortunately it was a relatively straight section or we might have missed the chute. As it was, I had my doubts about managing the fall without further action and since we didnÆt have much time before we landed, I acted immediately.

Twisting in mid-air, I grabbed Mai at hip and collar and heaved her upwards. This, of course, slowed her descent very slight at the expense of accelerating mine by the same degree. And then with considerable effort I forced one last burst of fire out of my depleted chi, kicking it downwards and slowing me further.

My knees protested as I landed, bending them to absorb as much of the impact as possible. I even managed to gallantly catch Mai, bridal style, in my arms and softened her landing. It was only after IÆd put her down that I saw Azula. She was only a few yards further down the chute, her posture making it quite clear sheÆd seen the entire spectacular end to my little sleigh ride. She didnÆt look happy. Possibly because she didnÆt have the Avatar captive at her feet, possibly just because she was docking me points for the landing.

ôLiao, what have I told you about recklessness!?ö

ôNot to let it kill me?ö I pressed two fingers against my carotid artery (harder than it sounds since my fingers were unsteady for some reason) and checked my pulse. Hmm, quite fast. ôI seem to be still alive.ö In fairness, my legs were still a little shaky and I leant against the side of the chute. I had a feeling that when the adrenaline wore off IÆd feel a not insubstantial amount of pain.

Azula didnÆt seem impressed by my reasoning. ôAnd if youÆd blown yourself halfway across the city, do you think that that would be the same? DonÆt ever do that again!ö

My eyes narrowed. ôNo.ö

ôWhat!ö

I stepped forward, trying not to wobble. ôYou were chasing the Avatar. Alone. And his friends were closing in to support him. You think I was being reckless?ö I pointed ahead to where Appa û now with three visible passengers û was clearing the city wall. ôHowever much confidence I have in you, I will always come for you. ItÆs who I am. And itÆs not negotiable.ö

AzulaÆs eyes were wide. She seemed surprised by my words.

ôYour boyfriend is insane, Azula.ö We both turned to look at Mai, who seemed to have recovered her composure. Her eyes flicked to me. ôIf you try that again, IÆll just cut your hamstrings. IÆm sure Azula wouldnÆt mind too much.ö She looked back at Azula. ôThink of how much harder it would be for him to get into trouble if he was confined to a palanquin.ö

Worryingly, she actually looked tempted.

ôI hate to interrupt this touching conversation,ö I interjected. ôBut since the Avatar is our only lead towards capturing Zuko and your uncle, perhaps we should mount some sort of pursuit?ö

Azula glanced back over her shoulder and then shook her head dismissively. ôPerhaps if we had mounts ready we could catch them, but we donÆt,ö she decided. ôAn oversight that will not be repeated. The Avatar is certainly skilled at running away, but he does not impress me as a combatant.ö

ôHard to catch, easy to bring down.ö

ôPrecisely.ö She smiled. ôSince youÆre so inventive, Liao, perhaps you have an idea of how we can do that?ö

I exhaled, hard and then sat down. The adrenaline rush was wearing off and if anything IÆd underestimated how much I was going to hurt after pulling that stunt. ôThe airbender thinks that heÆs safe in the sky. I believe that War Minister Qin had some plans to take control of that battlefield for the Fire Nation û something called a war balloon. How fast do you think you can get one deployed down here with a crew?ö

Azula took the necessary steps up the chute to check my vitals. ôA good plan. IÆll obtain one. But in the mean time, youÆre not leaving my sight.ö She brushed hair back from my face and then peeled back one of my eyelids. I have no idea what she was looking at, but my moment of weakness left me no energy to contest her. ôPushing yourself like that may not have killed you, but how much use do you think youÆd have been against the Avatar like this.ö She turned her head slightly and fixed Mai with gimlet eyes. ôAre you injured?ö

After a moment of self-assessment Mai returned the look. ôOnly bruised.ö One of her sleeves had been half-torn away and her long hair was a mess, but IÆd guess that her assessment was correct.

ôGood. And Ty Lee?ö

Mai shrugged and I cleared my throat. ôI left her some loose ends to clear up at the top.ö

ôNext time, let me do that and take her with you when you do something insanely dangerous.ö

I wasnÆt too tired to smirk. ôI thought that you were bored and wanted some excitement to spice up your life. Besides, if Ty Lee had been hanging off me, I think sheÆd have battered me to a pulp on the way down.ö

ôProving that she is wiser than most believe,ö Mai muttered under her breath.

.oOo.

On AzulaÆs insistence I was provided with a high-backed armchair and servants to carry it everywhere for the next day. And two muscular guards to ensure I didnÆt leave my seat unless it was absolutely vital (1). For some inexplicable reason she was of the opinion that I would manage to kill myself if I didnÆt sit back and rest. Being hauled around on the chair made me sick to my stomach, not out of any anachronistic objections to having servants carry out menial tasks (someone had to and at least they werenÆt slaves) but due to the rocking motion of the chair as I was moved.

As a result, I had had myself placed at one end of a courtyard and û obedient to other, earlier commands from my princess û was supervising at some distance as the servants used two millstones to grind the little cakes of gunpowder back into dust again. I should mention, before anyone suggests that I was merely being reckless with their lives rather than my own, that the cakes had been gently broken into smaller sections not much larger than a coin before doing so. If one of them did spark up then the risk to those doing the grinding was marginal.

A disturbance at the doorway drew my attention away from the scroll I was reading. MaiÆs father walked in, his face less troubled than it had been at our earlier meeting. ôLord Seung. I would have thought you would be with your family.ö

He smiled slightly. ôI was. My daughter had quite a lot to say about you.ö

ôI doubt that.ö

ôWell, as her father I do have some ability to read between the lines.ö The governor looked over at the grindstones. ôI suspect that asking what youÆre having them do would be a mistake.ö

ôKnowledge is power, sir. IÆm sure you know how little men and women enjoy sharing power with others.ö

ôAh yes.ö He frowned. ôMai has given me a rather mixed impression of you, one that raises questions in my mind since she will be travelling in your company on the PrincessÆ mission. On the one hand, you rescued my son from the kidnappers and quite probably saved my daughter considerable difficulty at the hands of the waterbender. On the other, my own feeling is that she was very nearly killed racing down those chutes with you.ö

I nodded. ôThe latter is an accurate statement.ö I imagined that he would be quite upset about that but the expression on his face was simply regretful.

ôI havenÆt spent as much time with her as I could have. And when I did, my attention was almost always on someone or something else. You and Princess Azula are taking her away now and I have to wonder when Mai grew up.ö

There was an awkward silence as I tried to find the words. ôWith the greatest of respect, Lord Seung. Why are you saying this to me and not to Mai?ö

He harrumphed. ôThere are some things that are hard to say. Most of all those that you...ö He swallowed. ôI imagine that one day, should your relationship with Princess Azula come to its fruition then you will understand. What I am hoping is that while she is in your care, you will treat Mai the way that you did when you fought the waterbender together... and not as you did in the chute.ö

ôYou want me to look after your little girl.ö

Lord Seung hesitated before nodding. ôI ask this of you in my familyÆs name.ö

Ouch, formal phrasing. Implying an incurred obligation towards me in return for that favour. ôSir... weÆre chasing after the Avatar and the Dragon of the West and the Fire LordÆs son. None of that is going to be safe for any of us and since weÆre being totally honest here, my first priority is going to be watching the PrincessÆ back.ö And her front along with any other angles that might present themselves. ôSo I canÆt promise you that.ö

His face fell. ôLieutenant...ö

ôGovernor, IÆll do my best to keep Mai alive. SheÆs a...ö Nice girl? Hardly. Homicidal maniac whoÆs already threatened to cripple me? Accurate, but not suitable for poor sheltered parents. ô...friend. IÆd do that whatever you said.ö

ôThank you. I know you refused the favour, but if there is anything I can do.ö

ôActually...ö IÆd been meaning to do this myself, but I was currently trapped in this damn chair and Azula probably wouldnÆt let me out of it for the rest of the day. ôI was meaning to get some brasswork done for my little project, but since weÆll be moving fast I donÆt think I can stay around while the work is done. If I leave instructions with a smith here, would you mind shipping my order after me?ö

He took being asked to play deliveryman quite well and I did thank him very politely. Of course, that probably meant that he thought I owed him a favour. Politics!

.oOo.

IÆd underestimated AzulaÆs resolve over keeping me out of trouble. She didnÆt let me out of the chair except to sleep until the war balloon arrived (2). Given that it was about the same as the MechanistÆs prototype and ZukoÆs later acquisition, there wasnÆt going to be room for the four of us and a crew, which meant that Mai, Ty Lee and I got to learn the ropes while Azula dealt with the ceremony of renaming Omashu as New Ozai. I have to wonder how æoldÆ Ozai felt about it.

ôItÆll be interesting to see Zuko again, wonÆt it Mai?ö Ty Lee asked while we were practising our new skills, provoking a slight smile from the other girl. Mai was certainly feline in certain ways, I had come to notice.

ôOh thatÆs right. You knew him, didnÆt you?ö I knew, of course.

Ty Lee nodded enthusiastically. ôBack when we were all children Lady Ursa brought him with her when she visited the Academy. Mai was very fond of him.ö

ô...ö

I sighed and adjusted course again. All we were doing was circling Omashu at the moment. Our first æsoloÆ flight without having some of the crew whoÆd brought it here aboard to instruct us. ôWhat was he like back then? I have trouble seeing him as a little kid, the way he was when I met him.ö

ôYou met him?ö

Glancing back, I saw them both staring at me in surprise. I hadnÆt recounted the one encounter IÆd had so far with Zuko yet and I suppose Azula wasnÆt keen to admit that Zuko had gotten away, even if it was with IrohÆs help. ôOnce or twice. We tried taking him into custody the easy way. Told him that Ozai wanted his family close and he was walking right into a cage when some idiot ran his mouth off and gave the game away.ö

ôOo! Was that when Iroh threw you into the sea?ö

ôThatÆs right.ö

Mai looked out over the mountains surrounding Omashu. ôWhat was he like?ö

ôIroh?ö I asked her.

She just shot me a withering look. Like she was interested in the wellbeing of a man old enough to be her grandfather.

ôHeÆs angry, impatient and doesnÆt seem to care about much of anything except getting back into his DaddyÆs good graces. Of course, a week or two on the run may have changed him. I have to wonder if his father was like that when Iroh was heir.ö Which was an interesting question to ponder at a later time.

Ty Lee scrunched up her brow. ôThat doesnÆt sound like Zuko. He was pretty nice. For a boy.ö

ôI know it sounds strange, given weÆre about the same age. But he really needs to grow up.ö I shrugged. ôThere are usually a few officers a bit like him in the frontline corps. Mostly they die or get career ending wounds before long. If theyÆre lucky, itÆs the Earth Kingdom that does it.ö

Okay, that was probably a touch cynical to say to a pair of semi-sheltered rich girls, but what the hell? It wasnÆt as if they werenÆt used to AzulaÆs low opinion of her brother. ôDonÆt get me wrong û he seems to be a decent bender, better than me when you come down to it, and he managed to hound the Avatar from one end of the world to the other û but heÆs not the sort of person IÆd want backing me up in a tight spot.ö

I could see MaiÆs fingers tighten around the edge of the basket. Silly name for it, given itÆs made of metal, but thatÆs the technical term. I suppose that using something as flammable as wicker would be foolish around firebenders.

ôNow you could say that there are reasons for that and I would agree with you,ö I added. ôMy father never burned my face half off, so I wouldnÆt really know. Because right now, that nice boy you mentioned is buried under a ton of resentment against just about everyone in the world. And if either of you lets your guard down, that nice boy might just put you down. Hard.ö I smiled thinly. ôSo donÆt lower your guards because you think you know him.ö

.oOo.

(1) Sure, I could have probably beaten them up if I was in form û but after all the excitement I wasnÆt sure IÆd be able to at least until IÆd had some time to recover.
(2) And for certain bodily functions.
 

Draculthemad

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#94
They have metal-hulled ships and steam engines, which indicates they *must* have metallurgy sufficient to make rifles, if Liao was dumb enough to open the pandora's box.

Since he is one of the Elite already, he has a vested interest in not going there though.

There may be a nifty plot idea out of it, actually. Say that explosive powder weapons are actually have been made some kind of forbidden secret by some far seeing Fire Lord, and Liao gets called on it.
 
#95
drakensis said:
:headbanger:

I am fully aware of the distinction between a musket and a rifle, thank you. BECAUSE Liao is NOT going to create rifles so the range advantages they would confer are not relevant. That's why I said they were going to be 'right out' as in, not appearing in this fic.

Liao is interested in creating something useful and passably deadly for the purposes of self-defense. He does NOT want to turn the war on its head and give the Fire Nation even more advantages.

Besides which, rifling is beyond his personal ability to manufacture. Liao isn't an engineer, he just happens to know a few things tha work.
I am equally aware of the problems involved in their construction, drakensis. Especially if one was trying to redesign the concept with only the knowledge of the bare essentials. I was simply stating their advantages at a Napoleonic Wars level of technology (which the Fire Nation sometimes greatly surpasses and sometimes falls dramatically short of), which would make them a valuable, if over-specialized weapon. Even matchlock or flintlock muskets are beyond the design capacity of the Fire Nation at this point.
 

drakensis

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#96
Yes, the Fire Nation has the ability to rapidly put rifle manufacture into production.

No, they won't because thus far no one has invented rifling and Liao (who knows of rifling but lacks the personal skills to reproduce it) chooses not to share the theory of rifling.

For centuries firearms were of negligible use or importance. Liao is perfectly happy to keep things that way, he just wants a decent one for himself to use if, for example, firebending were to shut down for a few minutes.

I'm not writing 1632 here. There's one guy, who knows a few details of early firearms and is leveraging it only to help himself. Virtually everyone assumes he's just eccentric and knows that firebending is far superior to his 'toy'.
 

grant

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#97
It isn't a matter of metallurgy, it's a matter of actually knowing how to use it. They have never tried to make anything like a rifle before. Even if he told someone how to use gunpowder or add spirals to a barrel (which would require a craftsman to actually make very small spirals in a barrel), it wouldn't occur to them (or probably him) that they need to add a stock for the added control when shooting or that an elongated round would have less friction than a ball.

Also I can't see a reason for him to make rifles anyway. Even if they could, the kind of rifles that could be made at this point would simply be too slow firing for the kind of battles you're likely to see in Avatarverse. Unless mentioned otherwise he hasn't had any kind of training with firearms, which means that even in a position of stealth he still couldn't even hit a thing. Basically a rifle means he's got a large, cumbersome device that he can't use when surprised, can't hit a thing with, can't be sure of being able to reload while traveling, and would require specialized parts.


Also during the Napoleonic Wars they still used muskets a lot.

On the story itself, was Azula angry that he did that or that he did it with Mai in his arms?
 

tetrambs

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#98
Well, I certainly didn't expect that kind of response.

Anyway, great snippet, I look forward to more great work from you.

So, what will happen to the dog now that they are airborne? Seems like a major character building event just got passed off.
 

Shiakou

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#99
tetrambs said:
Well, I certainly didn't expect that kind of response.

Anyway, great snippet, I look forward to more great work from you.

So, what will happen to the dog now that they are airborne? Seems like a major character building event just got passed off.
It could be funny.

Example:

Azula and company are on their way after Aang in their new balloon. Someone asks Azula what they're going to do once they catch up. Azula doesn't respond right away. . . seems distracted during conversations . . . spaces out a bit. Eventually people get worried enough to ask if something's the matter only for Azula to unintentionally let slip that she misses her dog. . . :snigger:
 

drakensis

Well-Known Member
grant said:
On the story itself, was Azula angry that he did that or that he did it with Mai in his arms?
A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B.


And on a side note, this would have to be Azula and Liao's song

Liao: (seizes Azula's hand and pulls her against him) I ache for the touch of your lips, dear, But much more for the touch of your whips, dear.
Azula: You can raise welts like nobody else (pushes him away)
Together: As we dance to the masochism tango.

Azula: (bends a flame) Say our love be a flame, not an ember. (snuffs it out)
Liao: Say it's me that you want to dismember.
Azula: Blacken my eye
Liao: Set fire to my tie
Together: As we dance to the masochism tango.

Liao: At your command, before you here I stand. (extends cupped hand) My heart is in my hand.
Azula: (ecch!)
Liao: It's here that I must be.
Azula: My heart entreats, (takes Liao's hand and presses it against her bosom) Just hear those savage beats, And go put on your cleats And come and trample me.
Liao: Your heart is hard as stone or mahogany.
Azula: That's why I'm in such exquisite agony.
Liao: My soul is on fire! (draws Azula close so her cheek is against her cheek)
Azula: It's aflame with desire!
Liao: Which is why I perspire, (wipes brow)
Together: When we tango

Liao: You caught my nose in your left castanet, love.
Azula: (tweaks his nose) I can feel the pain yet, love, Ev'ry time I hear drums
Liao: And I envy the rose, that you held in your teeth, love
Azula: With the thorns underneath, love
Liao: Sticking into your gums
Azula: Your eyes cast a spell that bewitches (runs her fingers down his nose)
Liao: The last time I needed twenty stitches, to sew up the gash, that you made with your lash (kisses her knuckles)
Together: As we danced to the masochism tango

Liao: Bash in my brain, And make me scream with pain
Azula: Then kick me once again, And say we'll never part.
Liao: I know too well I'm underneath your spell. So, darling, if you smell something burning, it's my heart (Excuse me!)
Azula: Take your cigarette from its holder
Liao: (tears open his shirt) And burn your initials in my shoulder
Azula: Fracture my spine and swear that you're mine
Together: As we danced to the masochism tango
 
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