Bleach Friendship between doctors' children

[bigbabidi]

This is up for grabs. Anyone that wants it, go ahead and have fun with it.

Anyways, this idea starts out around the time when Ichigo is 4 years old. After a day at karate practice, instead of Masaki picking him up with a smile, Isshin's retrieving him with a badass grin. On the way home, Isshin remembers something he needed to tell Ryuuken (or perhaps an errand or something) and decides to stop at the hospital beforehand. According to Karakura town map, the hopsital actually is along the way from the dojo to the Kurosaki clinic so it works out.

Inside, it takes some time for Isshin's business with Ryuuken to conclude, as I imagine one would be quite busy as director of a hospital. Ichigo spends that time in a little play area designed for waiting children and meets the hopsital director's own son, a good kid his own age that isn't beating him up like that brute Tatsuki. After playing for a while, they become little kid friends, frequently hanging out (even if Ryuuken's being a dick, I'm sure Soken would let Uryu chill with Ichigo quite often).

I can see a number of ways this could go from here. Thoughts?

 

[Legendary Legacy]

Before I saw the word 'children' in the title I thought this was going to be an idea for a fic about Isshin and Unohana back when Isshin was still an active shinigami.

Which could actually be pretty amusing, now that I think about it, assuming Isshin still behaved back then the way he does in the present...

To the original idea, it doesn't really catch my interest. Though if the meeting and becoming friends at a younger age thing actually did lead to some significant changes or into something more important later on, then I might give it a look. I suppose I'll have to see if anyone decides to run with it.

 

[Canis]

I honestly think it WOULD lead to changes - at the very least when Ishida learns that Ichigo can see ghosts he's going to tell his grandfather and Souken, what little we've seen of him, never struck me as being a moron. Exactly what happens from there is up to the imagination of whatever author might pick up the story, but I can easily see this turning into something along the lines of "Ichigo & Uryu - Teen Exorcists" XP

 

[Prince Charon]

I honestly think it WOULD lead to changes - at the very least when Ishida learns that Ichigo can see ghosts he's going to tell his grandfather and Souken, what little we've seen of him, never struck me as being a moron. Exactly what happens from there is up to the imagination of whatever author might pick up the story, but I can easily see this turning into something along the lines of "Ichigo & Uryu - Teen Exorcists" XP

A good point, that. Of course, if Ichigo is trained by Soken, and perhaps might have been present with Uryuu when Soken died, his interaction with Rukia will be very different, indeed.

 

[Amodelsino]

A good point, that.á Of course, if Ichigo is trained by Soken, and perhaps might have been present with Uryuu when Soken died, his interaction with Rukia will be very different, indeed.

Ichigo being trained by Soken would be largely useless. Quincy's control over reiatsu is entirely external. They draw in and control the spiritual energy around them and form it into weapons. A Quincy's power is dependent entirely on their skill (and thus their speed) at doing this.

This is in complete opposition to Ichigo, who's power comes from within him, and who's major problem (which is also the reason he hasn't been raping every enemy he's fought up to this point) is his inability to draw out and harness his own spiritual energy. If anything, being trained in the Quincy arts could very well be counter intuitive to his control over his own reiatsu, as the methods of control are based on opposing principles.

That's still ignoring that Quincy are spiritually aware humans, while Ichigo is confirmed to be a pureblooded Shinigami from birth. So it's quite possible he's be incapable of drawing upon ambient spiritual energy at all.

 

[Canis]

A good point, that.á Of course, if Ichigo is trained by Soken, and perhaps might have been present with Uryuu when Soken died, his interaction with Rukia will be very different, indeed.

Ichigo being trained by Soken would be largely useless. Quincy's control over reiatsu is entirely external. They draw in and control the spiritual energy around them and form it into weapons. A Quincy's power is dependent entirely on their skill (and thus their speed) at doing this.

This is in complete opposition to Ichigo, who's power comes from within him, and who's major problem (which is also the reason he hasn't been raping every enemy he's fought up to this point) is his inability to draw out and harness his own spiritual energy. If anything, being trained in the Quincy arts could very well be counter intuitive to his control over his own reiatsu, as the methods of control are based on opposing principles.

That's still ignoring that Quincy are spiritually aware humans, while Ichigo is confirmed to be a pureblooded Shinigami from birth. So it's quite possible he's be incapable of drawing upon ambient spiritual energy at all.

It could just be the whole "wise old man" stereotype, but I get the feeling that even if Souken couldn't train Ichigo in Quincy techniques (and where is it stated in cannon that Shinigami can't use such techniques - certainly they won't, but I don't ever recall it being said that they can't) he'd have knowledge of some value to pass on to Ichigo. There's also the fact that he's usually got a few Shinigami keeping an eye on him, and based on some of the stuff that's been implied I find it doubtful that he's unaware of the surveillance. If he recognized Ichigo as a Shinigami - true born or not - he might try and get them to help.

Then again would Ichigo be anything other than a spiritually aware human at that point? Sure he's got Shinigami powers, but by Urahara's own words they're sleeping. Even when he was running around at the beginning of the series he wasn't using his own power, but instead the power he borrowed from Rukia. His own Shinigami powers didn't manifest until Urahara's training and might never have manifested at all. Yet he was still able to see and interact with spirits as if they were living beings. Sounds a lot like what Quincy do.

 

[Amodelsino]

It could just be the whole "wise old man" stereotype, but I get the feeling that even if Souken couldn't train Ichigo in Quincy techniques (and where is it stated in cannon that Shinigami can't use such techniques - certainly they won't, but I don't ever recall it being said that they can't) he'd have knowledge of some value to pass on to Ichigo. There's also the fact that he's usually got a few Shinigami keeping an eye on him, and based on some of the stuff that's been implied I find it doubtful that he's unaware of the surveillance. If he recognized Ichigo as a Shinigami - true born or not - he might try and get them to help.

Then again would Ichigo be anything other than a spiritually aware human at that point? Sure he's got Shinigami powers, but by Urahara's own words they're sleeping. Even when he was running around at the beginning of the series he wasn't using his own power, but instead the power he borrowed from Rukia. His own Shinigami powers didn't manifest until Urahara's training and might never have manifested at all. Yet he was still able to see and interact with spirits as if they were living beings. Sounds a lot like what Quincy do.

What knowledge? The guy was just an old Quincy. That's it. Ryuuken maybe (given that he's confirmed to be old acquaintances with at the very least Isshin), but not Souken.

You also seem to have ignored my original point in favor of a small addition on the end of my post. Ichigo being trained in the Quincy arts would be a bad thing. Their method of controlling and utilizing spiritual energy is quite literally the opposite to the one Ichigo needs to learn.

Urahara, Yoruichi, any of the Vizard, or even Isshin himself would all be better options for training than either Souken or Ryuuken. Ichigo's power and talent as a Shinigami eclipses anything he could ever become as a Quincy, and training as a Quincy would most likely hamper his growth as a Shinigami.

 

[mandalorianjedi]

That isn't entirely correct.

At this point, Ichigo is an offspring of a Shinigami, not a Shinigami himself. Any human who dies has the potential to become Shinigami. Ichigo's rapid growth as a Shinigami was an exception, not a rule. Had Ichigo died before Rukia transferred her powers to him, I doubt he'd have been anything more than a typical soul with abnormally high reiatsu.

It was because of Rukia and Urahara's interference that Ichigo had developed Shinigami, and later, Vizard Powers.

At age 4, he's just a spiritually aware kid, just like Uryuu. While in habiting a physical body, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch for Ichigo to be able to learn Qunicy techniques, as for the moment, Ichigo is incapable of learning Shinigami techniques because he has yet to "die", or rather, his chain of fate is still fully intact.

Qunicy's power "may come from the outside", but they still have to have internal reiatsu in order to draw upon and use those techniques. They have to have significant reiatsu to see Hollows, Shinigami and the like.

I call bullshit on Ichigo being unable to learn Quincy techs because he has a Shinigami father, especially when, by all indications, Masaki was a true, blue human. Sure the Shinigami half might make Ichigo different from others, but he's still a human, just one with abnormal spiritual powers.

 

[Prince Charon]

I notice you're all ignoring the question of how Ichigo would react to Rukia.

 

[Canis]

Probably because his reaction to Rukia would depend more on the author than anything else. The change in the timeline is far enough back that any number of things could have changed. Or not.

It's quite possible that if Souken hadn't died Uryu wouldn't have had a grudge against Shinigami (actually I think that's fact). There's also the fact that Ichigo's personality is one given to blaming himself for such incidents rather than blaming others.

So I guess if I had to give an answer? Given the assumption that Souken does die and that Ichigo was there with Uryu - I'd say Ichigo wouldn't exactly hold much faith in her abilities, but wouldn't have the grudge that Uryu does.

 

[zeebee1]

The biggest influence Souken would have is his own beliefs.