Nasuverse FSN Grail War
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While it's not "official", its the best we've found so far.
Fuyuki Heaven's Feel Timeline
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~The Ecchi Sessha
Fuyuki Heaven's Feel Timeline
Link to the main page.
~The Ecchi Sessha
I watched the FSN anime again and saw something that doesn't quite make sense, Rin was talking about how Shirou stupidly created a Magic Circuit every time he used his tracing ability, my confusion comes from wondering how many circuits he has from repeatedly doing this every time he practiced as well as when he fixed broken school equipment.
I looked at the Heaven's Feel page and all they said was that he had 27 and something in there doesn't fit without some more info. :help:
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a stray thought that crossed my mind, Kiritsugu knowing exactly what Shirou was doing with his circuits by making them, but letting it go on because of Avalon keeping him 'safe' is something i can pretty much see happening. Due to the fact that in the end Shirou would just have that extra power at his disposal even though he sucks at actually using it. :sweat:
am i wrong?
I looked at the Heaven's Feel page and all they said was that he had 27 and something in there doesn't fit without some more info. :help:
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a stray thought that crossed my mind, Kiritsugu knowing exactly what Shirou was doing with his circuits by making them, but letting it go on because of Avalon keeping him 'safe' is something i can pretty much see happening. Due to the fact that in the end Shirou would just have that extra power at his disposal even though he sucks at actually using it. :sweat:
am i wrong?
Thus, "Have withstood pain to create many weapons."
I'm actually being serious in saying that.
Personally, I think that he's using them as temporary Magic Circuits. It's painful and damaging, but if he doesn't overdo it, he might be able to survive, even without Avalon.
Although, really, I think Avalon is the reason why both Shirou and Kiritsugu didn't have some permanent and crippling damage. IIRC, Kiritsugu had Avalon before giving it to Shirou in the aftermath of the Fourth Grail War.
On a related note, I recall reading that some powerful sorceror had written a revolutionary (and ingenious) thesis on a new way to harness magic power. This method was, IIRC, remarkably similar to the way Kiritsugu was supposed to have used maryoku, and was said to help overcome the decline of magic circuits in magic families.
Unfortunately, his master took one look at the completed thesis and tore it to shreds.
I wonder if there might be a copy of the thesis? I know I, for one, would never fail to keep multiple copies of crucial documents...
I'm actually being serious in saying that.
Personally, I think that he's using them as temporary Magic Circuits. It's painful and damaging, but if he doesn't overdo it, he might be able to survive, even without Avalon.
Although, really, I think Avalon is the reason why both Shirou and Kiritsugu didn't have some permanent and crippling damage. IIRC, Kiritsugu had Avalon before giving it to Shirou in the aftermath of the Fourth Grail War.
On a related note, I recall reading that some powerful sorceror had written a revolutionary (and ingenious) thesis on a new way to harness magic power. This method was, IIRC, remarkably similar to the way Kiritsugu was supposed to have used maryoku, and was said to help overcome the decline of magic circuits in magic families.
Unfortunately, his master took one look at the completed thesis and tore it to shreds.
I wonder if there might be a copy of the thesis? I know I, for one, would never fail to keep multiple copies of crucial documents...
Shirou doesn't necessarily suck as a magus, he's just an oddball case that's wired to do things differently than the Mages' Accociation party line says they have to be done. The Association basically treats Tracing and Reinforcement as basics that aren't really worth the time or the effort - a concept Shirou r4p3s on a regular basis, especially once he's figured UBW out.
As for the gears in Archer's UBW, they'd likely be less a result of whatever theoretical 'replacements' he's done to his body (which, btw. how? he's basically a spirit living in a prana/mana created shell of a body), and more a reflection of his mental state, as much as the UBW is a manifestation thereof. Archer wanted to be a Hero of Justice, but Justice is rarely a pretty thing, and more than just a spirit taken in by the Throne of Heroes, he's a Counter Guardian. Meaning the missions he undertakes for the sake of Justice are those that require ruthlessness and bloodshed. And so he killed, and killed, and killed again and again and again until finally, his approach to this 'calling' has become uncaring and mechanical. Hence the gears.
-Griever
As for the gears in Archer's UBW, they'd likely be less a result of whatever theoretical 'replacements' he's done to his body (which, btw. how? he's basically a spirit living in a prana/mana created shell of a body), and more a reflection of his mental state, as much as the UBW is a manifestation thereof. Archer wanted to be a Hero of Justice, but Justice is rarely a pretty thing, and more than just a spirit taken in by the Throne of Heroes, he's a Counter Guardian. Meaning the missions he undertakes for the sake of Justice are those that require ruthlessness and bloodshed. And so he killed, and killed, and killed again and again and again until finally, his approach to this 'calling' has become uncaring and mechanical. Hence the gears.
-Griever
I was about to say much the same thing, Griever. :sisi:
I would add to it that, by contrast, the background of Shirou's UBW is one early dawn - an ages-old symbol of idealism and hope. Archer's is smoggy and grey, a bleak and hopeless landscape littered with machinery.
I think the symbolism in the appearance of their respective Reality Marbles is extremely telling, as a Reality Marble temporarily overwrites the natural world around them with the form of their spiritual landscape.
In other words, the form and nature of a Reality Marble is a reflection of the nature of the user.
Thus, Shirou (hopeful and idealistic) is represented by "the dawning of a new day on the Hill of Swords", while Archer is represented by "a gloomy machine that makes weapons". This is their worldview made form.
For reference, I'll quote the respective chants of Shirou and Archer's UBW here. The words used possess quite a bit of significance, both the "Type-Moon Engrish!" version and the translated Japanese text.
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Mugen no Kensei ("Unlimited Blade Works" is a literal translation)
I would add to it that, by contrast, the background of Shirou's UBW is one early dawn - an ages-old symbol of idealism and hope. Archer's is smoggy and grey, a bleak and hopeless landscape littered with machinery.
I think the symbolism in the appearance of their respective Reality Marbles is extremely telling, as a Reality Marble temporarily overwrites the natural world around them with the form of their spiritual landscape.
In other words, the form and nature of a Reality Marble is a reflection of the nature of the user.
Thus, Shirou (hopeful and idealistic) is represented by "the dawning of a new day on the Hill of Swords", while Archer is represented by "a gloomy machine that makes weapons". This is their worldview made form.
For reference, I'll quote the respective chants of Shirou and Archer's UBW here. The words used possess quite a bit of significance, both the "Type-Moon Engrish!" version and the translated Japanese text.
?????
Mugen no Kensei ("Unlimited Blade Works" is a literal translation)
Archer Version said:
Japanese (romaji)
Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru.
Chishio wa tetsu de, kokoro wa gurasu.
Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai.
Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku,
Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai.
Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori, tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you.
Yue ni, shougai ni imi wa naku.
Sono karada wa, kitto tsurugi de dekiteita.
English translation of Japanese
His body is made out of swords.
His blood is of iron and his heart of glass.
He survived through countless battles.
Not even once retreating,
Not even once being understood.
He was always alone, intoxicated with victory on the hill of swords.
And thus, his life has no meaning.
That body, was surely made out of swords.
Type-Moon Engrish
I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood.
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unknown to Death Nor known to Life.
Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet those hands will never hold anything.
So as I pray, unlimited?blade works.
Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru.
Chishio wa tetsu de, kokoro wa gurasu.
Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai.
Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku,
Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai.
Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori, tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you.
Yue ni, shougai ni imi wa naku.
Sono karada wa, kitto tsurugi de dekiteita.
English translation of Japanese
His body is made out of swords.
His blood is of iron and his heart of glass.
He survived through countless battles.
Not even once retreating,
Not even once being understood.
He was always alone, intoxicated with victory on the hill of swords.
And thus, his life has no meaning.
That body, was surely made out of swords.
Type-Moon Engrish
I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood.
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unknown to Death Nor known to Life.
Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet those hands will never hold anything.
So as I pray, unlimited?blade works.
Shirou Version said:
Japanese
Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru
Chishio wa tetsu de, kokoro wa garasu
ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai
Tada ichido no haisou mo naku,
Tada ichido no shouri mo nashi
Ninai te wa koko ni hitori.
Tsurugi no oka de tetsu wo utsu
Naraba, waga shougai ni imi wa irazu
Kono karada wa, mugen no tsurugi de dekiteita.
English translation of Japanese
His body is made out of swords.
His blood is of iron and his heart of glass
He has survived through countless battles
Not even once retreating,
Not even once victorious
The bearer lies here alone
Forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
This body was made out of limitless swords.
Type-Moon Engrish
I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unaware of loss, Nor aware of gain
Withstood pain to create weapons.
Waiting for one's arrival
I have no regrets, This is the only path.
My whole life was "Unlimited Blade Works".
Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru
Chishio wa tetsu de, kokoro wa garasu
ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai
Tada ichido no haisou mo naku,
Tada ichido no shouri mo nashi
Ninai te wa koko ni hitori.
Tsurugi no oka de tetsu wo utsu
Naraba, waga shougai ni imi wa irazu
Kono karada wa, mugen no tsurugi de dekiteita.
English translation of Japanese
His body is made out of swords.
His blood is of iron and his heart of glass
He has survived through countless battles
Not even once retreating,
Not even once victorious
The bearer lies here alone
Forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
This body was made out of limitless swords.
Type-Moon Engrish
I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unaware of loss, Nor aware of gain
Withstood pain to create weapons.
Waiting for one's arrival
I have no regrets, This is the only path.
My whole life was "Unlimited Blade Works".