Nasuverse [FSN] Recommended fanfiction?

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Avider

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trevelyan1983 said:
Hmm . . . no, that's not quite what I meant - if you trawl Fuyuki looking for moar facts, Spiral Time will irk you.á If you don't do that, or you can step back from that, you can certainly enjoy the story.
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Was this the fic with the modern Arturia being like, part of the British military or something?



If it is, yeah, I remember reading through a couple of chapters until I didn't.


Ok, reading it again.

Holy shit, this is so close to what I was writing. (Well, the dead town battle zombies part of it.)

Except, it's more of a character piece. Mine was more action.

Lulz, action. Which reminds me, I should get back to working on it. Like, rewriting the whole dang thing.
 
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Cherry_lover

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trevelyan1983 said:
Hmm . . . no, that's not quite what I meant - if you trawl Fuyuki looking for moar facts, Spiral Time will irk you. If you don't do that, or you can step back from that, you can certainly enjoy the story.
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Yeah, that guy's limited understanding of FSN canon (in particular, how Shirou's tracing works, how soul recycling works in the Nasuverse and Ilya's survival) is obvious, but his understanding of the characters is actually pretty good, and the interaction between them is extremely well-written and very heartwarming (as a Sakura fan, I particularly like the Rin/Sakura bits, but the Arturia/Shirou bits are good as well).

I can overlook the lack of understanding of the canon, though, because he doesn't really make any seriously grating mistakes, and to me FSN is about the characters (which he handles pretty well, IMO) more than the actual details of the universe anyway.
 
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Shiakou

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Cherry_lover said:
trevelyan1983 said:
Hmm . . . no, that's not quite what I meant - if you trawl Fuyuki looking for moar facts, Spiral Time will irk you.? If you don't do that, or you can step back from that, you can certainly enjoy the story.
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Yeah, that guy's limited understanding of FSN canon (in particular, how Shirou's tracing works, how soul recycling works in the Nasuverse and Ilya's survival) is obvious, but his understanding of the characters is actually pretty good, and the interaction between them is extremely well-written and very heartwarming (as a Sakura fan, I particularly like the Rin/Sakura bits, but the Arturia/Shirou bits are good as well).

I can overlook the lack of understanding of the canon, though, because he doesn't really make any seriously grating mistakes, and to me FSN is about the characters (which he handles pretty well, IMO) more than the actual details of the universe anyway.
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Just think of it as an AU universe and problem solved.

Non-canon details are only worth being irritated about if the author claims them as canon.
 
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nick012000

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Cherry_lover said:
trevelyan1983 said:
Hmm . . . no, that's not quite what I meant - if you trawl Fuyuki looking for moar facts, Spiral Time will irk you.? If you don't do that, or you can step back from that, you can certainly enjoy the story.
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Yeah, that guy's limited understanding of FSN canon (in particular, how Shirou's tracing works, how soul recycling works in the Nasuverse and Ilya's survival) is obvious, but his understanding of the characters is actually pretty good, and the interaction between them is extremely well-written and very heartwarming (as a Sakura fan, I particularly like the Rin/Sakura bits, but the Arturia/Shirou bits are good as well).

I can overlook the lack of understanding of the canon, though, because he doesn't really make any seriously grating mistakes, and to me FSN is about the characters (which he handles pretty well, IMO) more than the actual details of the universe anyway.
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The soul recycling bit can sort of be excused; Roa managed to pull off something similar as what happened to the Servants in the story, after all.
 
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Cherry_lover

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Shiakou said:
Just think of it as an AU universe and problem solved.

Non-canon details are only worth being irritated about if the author claims them as canon.
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Well, yeah, that's pretty much the approach I was taking. To me, getting the characters wrong (especially Sakura) makes more of a difference than getting Nasuverse cosmology wrong, since the characters are what I care the most about. He's pretty open about the fact that he knows little of the Nasuverse outside of the anime (I don't think he's played the game, because he doesn't like the eroge) and he's tried to rationalise it based on what he does know, and thus has made a few errors.
 
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grant

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A. I agree on the point about characters and details. Nasuverse's charm comes from its plots and its characters, not the (admittedly intricate) details about magic.

B. There are multiple wiki's that they can check. If they aren't going to play the game then they would probably do well to do so.
 
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Cherry_lover

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grant said:
A. I agree on the point about characters and details. Nasuverse's charm comes from its plots and its characters, not the (admittedly intricate) details about magic.
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Yeah, exactly. The exact detail of how Shirou's tracing works and so on isn't that important. What is important is the characterisations.

B. There are multiple wiki's that they can check. If they aren't going to play the game then they would probably do well to do so.
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Well, given that they've got the characters right, I'm guessing that they probably did, to some extent at least. The stuff they've got wrong isn't actually in any of the English-language wikis, at least not that I can remember (maybe Fuyuki wiki, but that's pretty much impossible to find if you've never heard of it).

My guess is that, since the guy isn't really part of the FSN fandom as such, he simply didn't know where to go to get most of the information. Truthfully, a lot of the actual fandom doesn't know half of the canon stuff, because it's only available in Japanese.
 
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Kibbles

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Cherry_lover said:
grant said:
B. There are multiple wiki's that they can check. If they aren't going to play the game then they would probably do well to do so.
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Well, given that they've got the characters right, I'm guessing that they probably did, to some extent at least. The stuff they've got wrong isn't actually in any of the English-language wikis, at least not that I can remember (maybe Fuyuki wiki, but that's pretty much impossible to find if you've never heard of it).

My guess is that, since the guy isn't really part of the FSN fandom as such, he simply didn't know where to go to get most of the information. Truthfully, a lot of the actual fandom doesn't know half of the canon stuff, because it's only available in Japanese.
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To be fair, finding things on the internet and especially any wiki is relatively hard. You have to know what you're looking for in the first place, a general search rarely produces results.

Considering the complexity of the setting and the countless sources of highly obscure and ridiculously intricate information, it's even more difficult.

That said, it is a good story, especially taking into account the small size of the fandom (quality is significantly higher on average, however, it's not an easy setting to put stories in).
 
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Cherry_lover

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Kibbles said:
To be fair, finding things on the internet and especially any wiki is relatively hard. You have to know what you're looking for in the first place, a general search rarely produces results.

Considering the complexity of the setting and the countless sources of highly obscure and ridiculously intricate information, it's even more difficult.
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at. Even as someone who has played the game, is a regular on several different FSN forums and has a huge interest in finding things out about it, there is still a lot of stuff I'm not entirely sure about (in particular, how exactly some of Zouken's magic works). Reading wikis doesn't help, because the information isn't there, and even findind them is hard enough. So, for someone who isn't in such a position and who hasn't played the game, discovering all this information is hard. After all, a summary of a few pages in length (or, even, an entire wiki) is never going to tell you everything about a visual novel that takes 3 days to read.
 
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nick012000

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Heh. An interesting fact about the canon: Fate/Stay Night doesn't occur in the same year as it was released. It happens in either 2002 or 2008. I know this becaus Day 4, the Third of February, happens on a Sunday and those are the only years round about that time where that happened.
 
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Cherry_lover

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Well, either that, or the days of the week started at a different point in the Nasuverse, and thus Sunday falls on the third of February in 2004 there.

Or Nasu just cocked it up....

I dunno, actually, if the year in which FSN happened is actually canon or not. 2008 might actually fit better, though, because the third war is supposed to have happened during WW2, and thus should have been around 70 years earlier than the events of FSN. 2004 would make it at least five years later than expected (although, I'm not entirely sure when the Japanese claim the start of WW2 was, because there are three different times (the beginning of the war with China, the beginning of the war with Britain and the beginning of the war with America) that they could claim as the date it started).
 
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Avider

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2004 February
2002 February


There's a bit of messing up, since Zero actually suggests 2004 (Bill Clinton), while calendar wise, 2002 would be the right date and day.

That is, Zero happened in 1994, Iskander mentions Bill Clinton, who served from 1993-2001.

If it was 2002, then Zero would have happened in 1992. Before Clinton came into office.
 
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Cherry_lover

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Well, it's known that Zero is ten years before FSN (the game states it, and the characters' ages fit with it), so 2002 is out unless Clinton was elected two years earlier in the Nasuverse. It could still be 2008 (but, then, there's the problem that Nasu would be setting the whole thing slightly in the future, which is always dangerous), or else it could be that the date doesn't match up with the same day of the week in the Nasuverse as it does here. Really, there's no reason why it has to. All it takes is for whoever originally started the idea of a seven-day week to be off by a few days and the whole thing would be out of sync....
 
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Avider

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Thank you for repeating what I said except with less numbers and more words.
 
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Cherry_lover

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You see, I had no idea what you were trying to say with your post, at least the first two lines.

Also, did you edit it? Because I swear the last line wasn't there before....

Anyway, you missed the "2008" possibility out.
 
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ksho

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Recently came across a Fate Stay Night x Naruto crossover from our very own Surarrin:

Fate Eternia

While it's just started....It's quite well written in my opinion. Sura shows that he has a decent understanding of the laws surrounding the tm-verse, and has decided to work with them rather than against them. (unlike that OTHER FSN/Naruto cross <_< )

I highly recommend this one if your looking for a cool NarutoxFSN cross.
 
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Liam-don

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*blink* That was surprisingly good. I'm very afraid that at some point the author will crack and godmod Naruto but for now I don't have any real complaint, which is a feat in itself.
 
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Avider

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Only complaint I have was how relatively unaffected Naruto was after getting hit by Gae Bolg.

Even if his heart wasn't stabbed and he didn't die, you don't take a blow like that and not be seriously injured.

And, wounds made by Gae Bolg don't heal, unless a regenerative item such as Avalon is present. For all the good Tsunade's necklace is, I don't think it's on the same level as Avalon.


Writing-wise, I enjoyed it. There's a few spot where better punctuations would have made the flow more natural and easier to read, but overall it was good.
 
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Christopher Robin

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Avider said:
Only complaint I have was how relatively unaffected Naruto was after getting hit by Gae Bolg.

Even if his heart wasn't stabbed and he didn't die, you don't take a blow like that and not be seriously injured.

And, wounds made by Gae Bolg don't heal, unless a regenerative item such as Avalon is present. For all the good Tsunade's necklace is, I don't think it's on the same level as Avalon.


Writing-wise, I enjoyed it. There's a few spot where better punctuations would have made the flow more natural and easier to read, but overall it was good.
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Given that the necklace doesn't HAVE healing powers in canon, clearly Naruto has a really funky legend that we know nothing about. I'll therefor reserve judgment on exactly what he can do.
 
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WizardOne

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I do want to see what his Noble Phantasm is, as he wasnt exactly a weapons user. And we know its not a Kunai >_>.
 
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Avider

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Given that the necklace doesn't HAVE healing powers in canon, clearly Naruto has a really funky legend that we know nothing about. I'll therefor reserve judgment on exactly what he can do.
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"You can regenerate yourself?"

"Sure, just let me do this thingie with my necklace thingie."

"...How vulgar. Don't do it again."

"orz...."

I focus my will and bind the effects of the necklace. A rush of primal energy rises up inside me and threatens to overwhelm my consciousness. I mercilessly crush it's intent and focus on directing the flow.

My ruined arm begins to burn with heat as my mana pools in the limb. I close my eyes.
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(I'm saying, the regenerative effects of Tsunade's necklace, in the story, [regardless of whether it actually has that or not in Naruto canon] shouldn't be on the same level as Avalon. That's just tacky.)




Of course, you can argue that maybe Surrarin has taken the no healing into account, and that the reason for the healing is in fact Naruto's regenerative legend based on Kyuubi.

But then that makes the whole grow a hand scene completely contradictory and pointless. =|

[Logged a review for it in fact. First review yay!]
 
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nick012000

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What Naruto needs to do is to get Caster to waste her Command Spells, so he can bugger off and go protect Sakura. He made a promise to her, after all.
 
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Muramasa

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Only complaint I have was how relatively unaffected Naruto was after getting hit by Gae Bolg.
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Saber didn't seem all that worse off after Gae Bolg either. *shrugs*
 
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Avider

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Saber didn't seem all that worse off after Gae Bolg either. *shrugs*
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Two problems with that:

One: If Naruto's END stat is higher than Saber's, something is wrong.

Two: Saber was worse off.

Her wound was described as serious, the initial damage actually caused heavy bleeding, and she would have most definitely lost had Lancer pressed the attack. [Actually described.]

And in fact, her wound was serious enough that she couldn't chase after Lancer.



I just don't get that same sense of damage here. What I read is Shirou acting like he got pricked.
 
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