Thanks to someone mentioning it, I found Fate/Stay Night on You Tube and have been watching the fan subs there. Its always interesting getting the Japanese take on Xtianity. My Japanese is very rudimentary, but I notice that the Japanese students in these things are just as vapid as teenagers in Orange County high schools, including complaints and enunciation "oh My GOD! I SO have to visit ShiNIchiRO!" eqivalent. I guess I like it. Its growing on me. I hope to see further character development, though the romance between the hero and the angry chick who's "helping" him in the first few episodes is curious. I like that Archer infers that the hero is actually a fool for trying to practice xtianity, when they're allegedly after a xtian icon. Very amusing.
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...TW, if you're seeing any references to Christianity outside of the presence of a church, Excalibur (which didn't originally have any Christian connections), and the Holy Grail (Spoiler! which isn't really holy at all, and at any rate has nothing to do with Christianity), you're seeing it wrong.
Either you got a fakesub, or you're simply reading an entirely incorrect meaning from the series.
I'm leaning toward "fakesub", since Archer never said anything about Christianity to Shirou.
Either you got a fakesub, or you're simply reading an entirely incorrect meaning from the series.
I'm leaning toward "fakesub", since Archer never said anything about Christianity to Shirou.
Watching it as well now, only seen up to ep 4 before, but as I seem to have been laid low by some crappy stomach-thing, curling up on the sofa and watching some anime seemed like a fine idea.
Can't say that I made the christian connection, but I don't really connect the Arthurian myths'n legends with christianity either.
Can't say that I made the christian connection, but I don't really connect the Arthurian myths'n legends with christianity either.
F/SN... it's more about legends, mythos and stories than religions...
I also didnt make the connection between the Arturian lore and Christianity... as far as i know the Holy Grail could be the only bit semi religious, then again i've never really remembered heard/reading of a Holy Grail the times I've been religious... only remember it from the last Indiana Jones movie :sweat:
Different mythos like Demons, Heros, Demigods, etc... yeah plenty of those,
religion... not really
maybe because one of the masters is a "man of the cloth", that may be a connection,
but most of the story (IMO) is about <spoiler>[color=EEF2F7]the fight of the masters and servants between each other to obtain the power of the Holy Grail and grant the desires of the winner[/color]</spoiler>
I also didnt make the connection between the Arturian lore and Christianity... as far as i know the Holy Grail could be the only bit semi religious, then again i've never really remembered heard/reading of a Holy Grail the times I've been religious... only remember it from the last Indiana Jones movie :sweat:
Different mythos like Demons, Heros, Demigods, etc... yeah plenty of those,
religion... not really
maybe because one of the masters is a "man of the cloth", that may be a connection,
but most of the story (IMO) is about <spoiler>[color=EEF2F7]the fight of the masters and servants between each other to obtain the power of the Holy Grail and grant the desires of the winner[/color]</spoiler>
Ya'll need to re-read the story of the Holy Grail and King Arthur's Knights of the Round Table. Its a Welsh story. And its very much about Xtianity. Archer doesn't use the word xtianity, but he accuses the hero of being naive thinking he can defeat his enemies without killing them, which is a xtian tenet. Turn the other cheek, etc. Keep in mind the real Urthur Pendragon reigned from about 420-440 AD, and when he died a volcano in S. America blew up, causing 2 years of darkness than ruined crops and caused famine and plagues. It also blacked out the sky for a summer, the Literal cause of the "Dark Ages".
And... there are a lot of questions about when and where the real Authur lived and died given the lack of physical evidence that we have (i.e. like written documents that is NOT the legend itself). Other than the fact that yes, he did live, pin pointing an exact date is another question entirely. <_<
1) The oficiall start of the dark ages is noted as being the fall of Rome in 476.
2) Just who is the real Arthur, if any? The historyans still haven't decided about that.
3) At this moment, the volcano that is theorysaed to be a major player in the Dark Ages is Krakatoa, and it erupted in the 6th century, after the Roman empire fell.
Also one name that must be taken into accout is that of ChrÚtien de Troyes who introduced the Arthurian tales to the world in in the 12th century. For example many agree that neither Lancelot nor the Holy Grail were part of the Arthurian legend before ChrÚtien came along.
The name of Robert de Boron is also important, since he is the FIRST to give the Holy Grail myth a Christian role, and le lived around 1200, long after Arthur lived.
Now back to the anime.
The only connection it has to christianity is the fact that the church is involved in the war as a mediator.
And again Archer's words have no link to christianity! I will not spoil it for you, but watch the clues around episode 14 and you'll see what i'm talking about.
2) Just who is the real Arthur, if any? The historyans still haven't decided about that.
3) At this moment, the volcano that is theorysaed to be a major player in the Dark Ages is Krakatoa, and it erupted in the 6th century, after the Roman empire fell.
Also one name that must be taken into accout is that of ChrÚtien de Troyes who introduced the Arthurian tales to the world in in the 12th century. For example many agree that neither Lancelot nor the Holy Grail were part of the Arthurian legend before ChrÚtien came along.
The name of Robert de Boron is also important, since he is the FIRST to give the Holy Grail myth a Christian role, and le lived around 1200, long after Arthur lived.
Now back to the anime.
The only connection it has to christianity is the fact that the church is involved in the war as a mediator.
And again Archer's words have no link to christianity! I will not spoil it for you, but watch the clues around episode 14 and you'll see what i'm talking about.
The following is a spoiler, but it should be said.
The Holy Grail in F/SN is not the same thing as the one Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table sought after. It's a magical artifact with no physical form created by the Einzbern family, and it must be empowered in each Holy Grail War through the defeat of six Servants to appear and grant a wish. It's also filled with evil power so dense it pours out as sludge in a physical form.
The historical Arthur and his Knights had far less of the "noble Christian" in them than you think. That part was added by the French. In fact, the earliest Welsh records of Arthur claim him as a war leader, not a king.
And, unless you missed the fact that Saber is female and was in her original lifetime as well, Type-Moon plays around a bit with the mythologies they used (the ostensible reason is that the real stories were lost or diluted over time).
The granting of mercy to his defeated foes does not bespeak a Christian ideal in Shirou. Rather, it simply reveals part of his character: he doesn't want anyone to suffer, and he especially hates it when saving one person means sacrificing another. The reason he feels this way is another spoiler, which I will not reveal at all as it really does say too much. His "turning the other cheek" is merely him accepting abuse from the likes of Matou Shinji so that an unnecessary disturbance will not occur. Classic Japanese self-effacement for the preservation of the peace.
As for Archer, once you've finished the anime, look up his entry in Wikipedia. The things he said and the way he acted will make much more sense.
The Holy Grail in F/SN is not the same thing as the one Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table sought after. It's a magical artifact with no physical form created by the Einzbern family, and it must be empowered in each Holy Grail War through the defeat of six Servants to appear and grant a wish. It's also filled with evil power so dense it pours out as sludge in a physical form.
The historical Arthur and his Knights had far less of the "noble Christian" in them than you think. That part was added by the French. In fact, the earliest Welsh records of Arthur claim him as a war leader, not a king.
And, unless you missed the fact that Saber is female and was in her original lifetime as well, Type-Moon plays around a bit with the mythologies they used (the ostensible reason is that the real stories were lost or diluted over time).
The granting of mercy to his defeated foes does not bespeak a Christian ideal in Shirou. Rather, it simply reveals part of his character: he doesn't want anyone to suffer, and he especially hates it when saving one person means sacrificing another. The reason he feels this way is another spoiler, which I will not reveal at all as it really does say too much. His "turning the other cheek" is merely him accepting abuse from the likes of Matou Shinji so that an unnecessary disturbance will not occur. Classic Japanese self-effacement for the preservation of the peace.
As for Archer, once you've finished the anime, look up his entry in Wikipedia. The things he said and the way he acted will make much more sense.
Trying my hand at necromancy here; man helluva smell...
I'd love to play the game, though I can't read japanese at all. Heard there's gonna be a PS2 re-release of the game, though supposedly cleaned up to be all ages friendly (nuts) Anyone heard anything about that, and if it'd be released in the States? Or if there're any fan projects translating the original game out there? Currently halfway through downloading a torrent of the Anime, after hearing you all go on bout this game/manga/series I've got high hopes for good stuff.
I'd love to play the game, though I can't read japanese at all. Heard there's gonna be a PS2 re-release of the game, though supposedly cleaned up to be all ages friendly (nuts) Anyone heard anything about that, and if it'd be released in the States? Or if there're any fan projects translating the original game out there? Currently halfway through downloading a torrent of the Anime, after hearing you all go on bout this game/manga/series I've got high hopes for good stuff.
It takes effort to disappoint as much as the Tsukihime anime did. Don't get me wrong; I enjoyed it and was more than a bit sad at the end; but it could have been so much better in a lot of areas.
As for the translation, Day 11 is up at Beast's Lair http://nrvnqsr.proboards20.com/index.cgi?b...read=1156186662
and they just started Day 12 http://nrvnqsr.proboards20.com/index.cgi?b...read=1162136392
I enjoyed the FSN anime as well. It could have been better if they had really mixed the scenarios (instead of the teasers that were thrown in,) but I also really enjoy the story of that scenario so I was satisfied.
Hey FO, do you have the raws past Volume 1 of the manga? The links at Beast's Lair have expired (annoying Rapidshare ><)
As for the translation, Day 11 is up at Beast's Lair http://nrvnqsr.proboards20.com/index.cgi?b...read=1156186662
and they just started Day 12 http://nrvnqsr.proboards20.com/index.cgi?b...read=1162136392
I enjoyed the FSN anime as well. It could have been better if they had really mixed the scenarios (instead of the teasers that were thrown in,) but I also really enjoy the story of that scenario so I was satisfied.
Hey FO, do you have the raws past Volume 1 of the manga? The links at Beast's Lair have expired (annoying Rapidshare ><)
Just a quick reminder to all the TFF members in the SE Asian region: Animax - Asia will begin broadcasting Fate/Stay Night at 7pm (GMT +8) tonight.
I started downloading a torrent with all the episodes over 2 weeks ago. For some reason it still hasn't finished. Thank goodness for cable TV! I'm going to have to fire-up the old VHS recorder tonight.
I started downloading a torrent with all the episodes over 2 weeks ago. For some reason it still hasn't finished. Thank goodness for cable TV! I'm going to have to fire-up the old VHS recorder tonight.
Dark_Plague said:
What is this VHS.. you speak of? I've heard legends of it being some old sort of media device, but one cannot be certain.
In any case, it turns out that according to the animax-asia.com schedule, FSN is only playing in the Philippines. The rest of SE Asia will only get to watch it starting 25 June. Heh, good news for me.
Good news for the rest of you guys is that this is an official English dub. I was looking forward to watching a subtitled version; imagine my surprise. This means that they have got to come out with an official DVD release with the Nippongo and English audio tracks soon, if they haven't already.
And where an officially translated anime version goes, can a manga or game version be far behind? What's the word in the gaming community? Even a 'translation' like that Phoenix Wright game whose review was linked to in the lemon section can't be too bad, no? :snigger: