Ranma ½ Happi trainig Ranma
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I personally think Genma became great in spite of Happosai, not because of him. As for Soun, he isn't shown to be particularly skilled, and doesn't seem to be anywhere near Genma's level.
So sure, Happosai is an unstoppable monster of a martial artist, but he seems to be pretty terrible at teaching.
So sure, Happosai is an unstoppable monster of a martial artist, but he seems to be pretty terrible at teaching.
Although he didn't seem as if he was actually trying to teach them either. From the limited amount we know their teachings comprised mostly of cleaning up his messes and helping him create them.
In my opinion he could be an extraordinarily skillful teacher with only the slightest bending of disbelief, or none at all really. All he'd really need is actual incentive, because there didn't seem to be any time in the series when he actually had a reason to help out Ranma, or anyone for that matter... There is simply no honest precedent for teaching, at least in my opinion.
Ranma - Is never even attempted to be trained by Happy.
Genma & Soun - We really don't see much aside from the "Hell They Experienced", They could very well have been trained on occasion, although judging from Soun it'd either be very little, or he's just useless in some matter. Hasn't practiced in long enough to athropy his skill, or didn't gain any in the first place.
Of course you could also easily go along the lines in the other possibility, that he truely sucks at teaching.
In my opinion he could be an extraordinarily skillful teacher with only the slightest bending of disbelief, or none at all really. All he'd really need is actual incentive, because there didn't seem to be any time in the series when he actually had a reason to help out Ranma, or anyone for that matter... There is simply no honest precedent for teaching, at least in my opinion.
Ranma - Is never even attempted to be trained by Happy.
Genma & Soun - We really don't see much aside from the "Hell They Experienced", They could very well have been trained on occasion, although judging from Soun it'd either be very little, or he's just useless in some matter. Hasn't practiced in long enough to athropy his skill, or didn't gain any in the first place.
Of course you could also easily go along the lines in the other possibility, that he truely sucks at teaching.
Well, do try to remember how powerful he made a small child with little to no training at all. Someone with that sort of knowledge is likely to have the skill neccesary to train a real fighter. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking that Happi's method was the hell he put them through. Look at what he's done to Ranma - The ultimate weakness moxi-whatever caused him to learn an entirely new technique, one that is considerably powerful.
Although you can look at that and say "well obviously he was just being a dick", it still caused Ranma to grow more powerful as a martial artist. His "method" of training seems to be causing problems for his "students" and letting his "students" figure them out, really. The problems he caused for Genma, i.e. teaching him to be a thief, in turn made Genma develop the ultimate thieving technique. Soun's Demon Head technique, although shown as not having any physical effects, is psychologically powerful, and could probably deter most pursuers.
And slightly off-topic, since Soun's real "power level" isn't shown at all in the series, one can not truly ascertain how powerful he was in his prime, or even how strong he is now. I know that there is something to evidence his strength, but I can't remember it at this exact moment and I encourage everyone to remember how in-consistent canon was in that regard.
Although you can look at that and say "well obviously he was just being a dick", it still caused Ranma to grow more powerful as a martial artist. His "method" of training seems to be causing problems for his "students" and letting his "students" figure them out, really. The problems he caused for Genma, i.e. teaching him to be a thief, in turn made Genma develop the ultimate thieving technique. Soun's Demon Head technique, although shown as not having any physical effects, is psychologically powerful, and could probably deter most pursuers.
And slightly off-topic, since Soun's real "power level" isn't shown at all in the series, one can not truly ascertain how powerful he was in his prime, or even how strong he is now. I know that there is something to evidence his strength, but I can't remember it at this exact moment and I encourage everyone to remember how in-consistent canon was in that regard.
Soun is shown fairly often with weapons in the manga. It's a fairly well-entrenched fanon that the Tendou school is ground-based while the Saotome school is supposedly aerial. Frankly, I think Genma and Ranma do those leaps just because THEY CAN. Extreme acrobatics look impressive to those who are incapable of them and that counts for a bunch, especially to Ranma.
As for how good Soun might once have been, yeah, it's unknown. All we can judge is what he shows in the actual manga.
As for how good Soun might once have been, yeah, it's unknown. All we can judge is what he shows in the actual manga.
Hmmm...
As for Soun. I agree with NDF. One note though. Soun has to have retained *some* of his abilities, he is shown using at least two separate Ki attacks.
As for Happi and training. Well... one way to look at this is him using *indirect* training methods to teach. In other words, it is not him saying,'if in this situation, do this' it is more. I put you into this situation, learn to get out of it.
As for Soun. I agree with NDF. One note though. Soun has to have retained *some* of his abilities, he is shown using at least two separate Ki attacks.
As for Happi and training. Well... one way to look at this is him using *indirect* training methods to teach. In other words, it is not him saying,'if in this situation, do this' it is more. I put you into this situation, learn to get out of it.
I wonder if the Tendo branch of Anything Goes was more of a grappling branch. That would explain a lot; if Soun was anything resembling traditional, it would be inappropriate for him to grapple his daughters.
As for evidence of Soun's strength, in the anime he and Genma both assumed giant chi forms to battle Happosai's giant chi form, and he collapsed from exhaustion from it at the same time as Genma.
As for evidence of Soun's strength, in the anime he and Genma both assumed giant chi forms to battle Happosai's giant chi form, and he collapsed from exhaustion from it at the same time as Genma.
To ressurect a dead thread, it is strongly implied that Ranma does participate in training with Happosai, reference the Konatsu arc. Now granted, Happosai led them to a brothel, but even to that end, it implies that Ranma is accepting instruction (to a point) and Happosai is willing to train (in his own, worthless way).
I had an idea the other day how Happosai would take Ranma's training a little more seriously. But it is also a Sailor Moon cross-over...
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The whole family is gathered in the living-room, watching TV/playing shougi/ironing underwear when the program is interrupted by a news-report.
We are sorry to interrupt your program, but we just received notice of a strange event happening in the Azabu J?ban Ward of Greater Tokyo.
The TV shows girls in short skirts battling some kind of monster.
Apparently, the rumours about magical girls fighting demons were true. One of our teams managed to capture this footage.
On screen one of the Sailor Warriors is smashed through a wall.
The general consensus among the Tendos is that this can't be true, this must be some kind of advertising gag, etc.
Then Happosai suddenly jumps up. "Ranma! This is terrible! As martial artists it is our duty to help those poor girls fight those monsters!" (And maybe get our hands on their panties)
Ranma and the fathers are at first totally against that idea, but Happosai quickly bullies the fathers into accepting it, who then bully Ranma into accepting it.
And because Ranma as he is has not much of a chance to harm those monsters, Happosai starts training him seriously, teaching him new special techniques and stuff.
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The whole family is gathered in the living-room, watching TV/playing shougi/ironing underwear when the program is interrupted by a news-report.
We are sorry to interrupt your program, but we just received notice of a strange event happening in the Azabu J?ban Ward of Greater Tokyo.
The TV shows girls in short skirts battling some kind of monster.
Apparently, the rumours about magical girls fighting demons were true. One of our teams managed to capture this footage.
On screen one of the Sailor Warriors is smashed through a wall.
The general consensus among the Tendos is that this can't be true, this must be some kind of advertising gag, etc.
Then Happosai suddenly jumps up. "Ranma! This is terrible! As martial artists it is our duty to help those poor girls fight those monsters!" (And maybe get our hands on their panties)
Ranma and the fathers are at first totally against that idea, but Happosai quickly bullies the fathers into accepting it, who then bully Ranma into accepting it.
And because Ranma as he is has not much of a chance to harm those monsters, Happosai starts training him seriously, teaching him new special techniques and stuff.
The main reason Happosai does not train (at least directly by the theory) Ranma is because Ranma simply has no respect for him and refuses to give in to the old pervs every wish and demand like soun and genma. It's not only a matter of happosai training Ranma seriously it's also a matter of getting Ranma to take happosai seriously enough to want to be trained.
If it's in his best interests he will train someone (Like in healing Miss Hinako and turning her into a chi vampire to assist in his panty raids) but generally he only cares about himself so it would take something of major interest to get him to teach... and usually if it's that bad he tends to just kick ass himself.
If it's in his best interests he will train someone (Like in healing Miss Hinako and turning her into a chi vampire to assist in his panty raids) but generally he only cares about himself so it would take something of major interest to get him to teach... and usually if it's that bad he tends to just kick ass himself.
A wild Mary Sue has appeared! That was quite possibly the worst beginning of a fanfic I've ever read. Seriously, Akane with golden eyes who was kidnapped by her adoptive mother from said mother's best friend because the aforementioned psychotic kidnapper was raped (FOR DRAMA!). Also, the writing itself (sentence structure, etc.) sucked. It read like a script, not a story.
EDIT: Also, the best way to get him to train Ranma was actually done in an otherwise horrible pornfic called moxibustion violation. You could switch out the blowjobs with panty modelling though. And of course drop the rape entirely. Really, just have the weakness moxibustion stick and eventually Ranma will give in, likely after learning a dozen other things first. Of course then he would probably beat Happosai anyway...
EDIT: Also, the best way to get him to train Ranma was actually done in an otherwise horrible pornfic called moxibustion violation. You could switch out the blowjobs with panty modelling though. And of course drop the rape entirely. Really, just have the weakness moxibustion stick and eventually Ranma will give in, likely after learning a dozen other things first. Of course then he would probably beat Happosai anyway...